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GodBless said:
HA HA... Are you going to try to convince me that Apple didn't come out with the first 64bit processor? Good joke -- Good joke! Of course Tiger will process 64bit processes better than Windoze XPee! Ignorant PC user.

Um, Apple didn't come out with the first 64-bit processor.

Perhaps I'm missing some sarcasm... :eek:
 
too much Kool-Ade

johnnowak said:
Um, Apple didn't come out with the first 64-bit processor.

Perhaps I'm missing some sarcasm... :eek:

Right - Apple was more than 10 years late - even if you do some artificial song-and-dance about the first "desktop 64-bit processor".

I recently heard someone claim that Itms was the "first online music store" - so completely wrong I had to laugh.
 
AidenShaw said:
But on the other hand, real 64-bit (that is, 64-bit with 64-bit GUI apps) will be out with XP 64-bit about the same time that 10.4 actually ships.

Don't forget that Windows 64-bit has been shipping for a couple of years.... Apple is the "follower" on 64-bit, not the leader.
Of course, I was talking about the 64-bit feature, that's why I wrote 64-bit every two inches of my posts (that would be 4 times in the same sentence, like you did).

Obviously, I don't see anything wrong on Windows XP that could motivate a PC user to switch to Mac OS X Tiger.

And just shut up already with the "superb OS on a crappy hardware" joke. YOU won't do it, that doesn't mean OTHERS won't.
 
Ok... I've read the first 20 and the last 20 posts in this topic. I usually read them all but I cant be bothered. There's a lot of talk about 64-bit stuff in the last 20 posts, and I need to get one thing cleared up. Will Tiger be 64 bit only? Reading about its features and such has made me think so, but I'm really hoping it wont be. If it is I suppose I'm going to have to beg for a G5 powerbook whenever they're released... but I really dont want to. I'm not ready to give up my 17" G4 iMac yet...
 
For those who are confused, 64-bit processors have been out since 1993 (if not earlier)... the first ones I ever heard of were the DEC Alpha CPUs, running Windows NT 3.1 (yes, in 64-bit mode).

The fact that most of the world is STILL using 32-bit CPUs just goes to show (1) how much untapped power the 32-bit world still has and (2) that 64-bits is nice, but not really necessary... yet.
 
kako said:
Ok... I've read the first 20 and the last 20 posts in this topic. I usually read them all but I cant be bothered. There's a lot of talk about 64-bit stuff in the last 20 posts, and I need to get one thing cleared up. Will Tiger be 64 bit only? Reading about its features and such has made me think so, but I'm really hoping it wont be. If it is I suppose I'm going to have to beg for a G5 powerbook whenever they're released... but I really dont want to. I'm not ready to give up my 17" G4 iMac yet...

As far as I know it will support G3s, G4s and it will take major advantage of G5s 64-bit capabilities.
 
GodBless said:
As far as I know it will support G3s, G4s and it will take major advantage of G5s 64-bit capabilities.
Cool, thanks for that. I just needed to make sure =)

I suppose I am going to have to upgrade my pathetically small amount of RAM however, haha. I still cannot believe Apple is selling computers with 256MB... it's criminal.

And just to add to all this discussion:
Apple doesn't make anything. IBM does all the hardware for Apple's computers and Apple makes the software. If Apple ever made a processor, it was a long time ago, and certainly not a 64-bit one.
 
clayjohanson said:
For those who are confused, 64-bit processors have been out since 1993 (if not earlier)... the first ones I ever heard of were the DEC Alpha CPUs, running Windows NT 3.1 (yes, in 64-bit mode).

The fact that most of the world is STILL using 32-bit CPUs just goes to show (1) how much untapped power the 32-bit world still has and (2) that 64-bits is nice, but not really necessary... yet.

Good point.
 
clarity - not brevity

Laurent said:
...that's why I wrote 64-bit every two inches of my posts (that would be 4 times in the same sentence, like you did)....

Blast me if you feel the need - but I think that these short exchanges in boards need to be written out for clear understanding.

I could use half the words, but I hope that my readers appreciate not having to try to figure out the references for "it", "it's", "their" and other pronouns....
 
GodBless said:
HA HA... Are you going to try to convince me that Apple didn't come out with the first 64bit processor? Good joke -- Good joke!

It's true. Apple didn't come out with the first 64 bit processor. I think that achievement went to the DEC Alpha 21064.
 
clayjohanson said:
Actually, DEC was first (see above).

I realize that. All that I am saying is that Apple, IBM and Motorola made the G5 which is the "first Desktop 64 bit processor" (according to the Apple G5 poster I have hanging in my bedroom).
 
sw1tcher said:
It's true. Apple didn't come out with the first 64 bit processor. I think that achievement went to the DEC Alpha 21064.

Apple computer didnt release the first 64-bit computer, even in modern, desktop terms. IBM were a good 4 months slower than AMD in releasing 64-bit processors. I remember this because as I was researching buying a computer, I saw all the stuff about the G4 on the Apple website talking about that 128-bit thingy that proccesses things faster... I thought it was a 128-bit processor (yes, stupidly), and thought has slow the PC world was. It wasn't for another few months that the G5 powermac came out.
However, with the release of Tiger, Apple WILL be the first computers to take full advantage of 64 bit processing in normal, household desktop and laptop environments.
End of discussion, I think.

Edit: 4 months is a little specific... A few months is probably less flamebait-y
 
GodBless said:
I realize that. All that I am saying is that Apple, IBM and Motorola made the G5 which is the "first Desktop 64 bit processor" (according to the Apple G5 poster I have hanging in my bedroom).
The Alpha was used in workstations... as well as servers. (See Switcher's link.) So Apple marketing didn't get this one right, unless you want to use some overly restrictive definition of what a "desktop" machine is.
 
GodBless said:
I realize that. All that I am saying is that Apple, IBM and Motorola made the G5 which is the "first Desktop 64 bit processor" (according to the Apple G5 poster I have hanging in my bedroom).

One could easily argue that AMD did that. Since the Opteron Was out before the G5
Now some may say that the Opteron was a server processor but it was used in Desktops too.
 
clayjohanson said:
The Alpha was used in workstations... as well as servers. (See Switcher's link.) So Apple marketing didn't get this one right, unless you want to use some overly restrictive definition of what a "desktop" machine is.
The addition of Alpha is relevant... however if we are going to continue this discussion, why dont we limit it to the cheap, consumer technologies of post 2002, hmm?


And yes, that poster is false advertising. Unless they are talking about a comprehensive 64-bit environment including all hardware components, software and operating systems... that definately goes to Apple. However, the first 64-bit processor (yes, post 2002) was made by AMD.
 
dunno y.. but i hab this inkling nothing will happen tomm... i dunno y.. maybe a counter.. but thats it.. won't be available for a few weeks at the most..
 
kako said:
Will Tiger be 64 bit only?

Nope it will support both 32b and 64b addressing for user mode applications.

Review my posts in this thread on this subject [1] [2] or review what Apple has to say on this subject.
 
CubaTBird said:
dunno y.. but i hab this inkling nothing will happen tomm... i dunno y.. maybe a counter.. but thats it.. won't be available for a few weeks at the most..

ill be happy with a release date myself, but at most thats all i can see us getting tomorrow
 
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