Tiger Install at Apple Store

[wrldwzrd89]

so while we are on the topic, what is the best way to install tiger? a clean install, an archive and install, or upgrade?

ive pretty much decided im not doing the upgrade, so that leaves a clean install or archive and install. what benefit does an archive and install have over a clean install?

i did a clean install a while ago. i backed most everything up, but lost my bookmarks in safari and maybe a couple other minor things, nothing major. the reason why is that i wanted to clean install but only had a limited amount of back up space so i picked stuff out of my home folder to back up and left some stuff out. if i had done the entire home folder would that have fixed the problem?

If you had backed up the entire Home folder, you would have been able to retrieve things like your Safari bookmarks if you knew where they were located. Basically, yes, backing up the entire home folder would have solved your problem.

I recommend an erase and install because doing one forces you to back up and cleans out the cruft that may have built up. Most of us have applications we don't use anymore, and we often don't know where all of the files the application installed are located. It's also a good way to clean out any hacks you may have installed, since these will probably break with the release of Tiger and could cause problems with installation.

 

[Timelessblur]

Um....what? English class not a required course?
Yeah, hey, it's great you get free stuff, but how does that help him?
To be honest, the Office Student Teacher Edition does not require ID, even at a retail store, so why not try it? This is one of the few if not only academic packages that are priced for students but are offered outside of campuses.

I really doubt you will find the standard edition anywhere cheaply, unless you get a used version or find a good sale.

because it is not legal. You are not soposed to have student teacher edation UNLESS YOU ARE A STUDENT OR A TEACHER. Also if any work done on a Edu copy of software may not be sold for money.

It the same as just downloading it off the net. Same legal technalility and it not a legit peice of software unless you are a student or a teacher. it is that simple.

 

[i_am_a_cow]

New OS

I'm pretty sure it's going to be a new version of Darwin (if I had to guess, but maybe I'm mistaken). Even more, it's going to have a metadata filesystem. That is a big leap. If you can count Windows XP a new OS (from 2000 or whatever), you can definitely call OS 10.4 a new OS.

 

[jmsait19]

If you had backed up the entire Home folder, you would have been able to retrieve things like your Safari bookmarks if you knew where they were located. Basically, yes, backing up the entire home folder would have solved your problem.

I recommend an erase and install because doing one forces you to back up and cleans out the cruft that may have built up. Most of us have applications we don't use anymore, and we often don't know where all of the files the application installed are located. It's also a good way to clean out any hacks you may have installed, since these will probably break with the release of Tiger and could cause problems with installation.

thats what i thought. so a clean install it is. i was leaning that way because i like the thought of cleaning out all the stupid crap ive probably done

 

[FFTT]

Sleeping Panther Crashing Tiger

It's really important to make sure that your power save features are set to NEVER SLEEP when you're installing any software,
especially your primary OS software and OS software updates.

I MUCH prefer a full clean install after backup burning everything I care about to CD.

 

[7on]

I'm going to do an Upgrade because I have no hacks and Palm Desktop is a bitch to install.

 

[Nermal]

If you can count Windows XP a new OS (from 2000 or whatever), you can definitely call OS 10.4 a new OS.

Windows 5.0 (2000) to XP (5.1) was a .1 upgrade, just like 10.3 to 10.4

I'm going to do an Upgrade because I have no hacks and Palm Desktop is a bitch to install.

Conversely, I'm going to format, because the computer's 2 years old and I've never done it before. Want to try new things, etc etc

Edit: Actually, I must have done it before, because I changed my hard drive from the supplied 80 GB to a 160.

 

[Kelmon]

Remember to Backup

I'm planning to scrub the disk before installing Tiger since I want to ensure that I'm starting with a blank slate, but mostly because this is habit from years of Windows and the biannual reinstall of the OS. The only thing that I am worrying about it ensuring that I backup all my documents, settings, keychains, etc. The .mac Backup application seems pretty good but I'm paranoid about losing something important...

 

[Timelessblur]

That's like saying going from Mandrake Linux to Debian Linux isn't a new OS just because they are still GNU/Linux. Come on - the update from 10.3 to 10.4 is a new OS, everything is completely different from the ground up! 10.3 to 10.4 is definitely NOT a service pack upgrade, unless going from 2000 to XP is a service pack?

it more or less going form 2000 to XP is a upgraud but a lot of it is a slightly paid for service pack but you also have to remeber most upgrades to XP where from the window 9.x line to NT line so it is a complete OS replacement. windows 2000 was pretty much only really in the bunissess world and never really got that big in the privet market.

 

[ColoJohnBoy]

Hey gang,


Semi-newbie here going into my second week with my 15" PB.

I was wondering; if/when Tiger is released can I go to the local Apple Store, purchae it and have them install it for me?

Is that part of Standard Care or ProCare?

Getting back to the original question... assuming Tiger is released before your warranty, whether original or AppleCare, has expired, a Mac Genius will certainly install it for you. At least, when I worked for Apple during 2002-2003 that's how it was.

Like everyone has said, though, there's nothing wrong with doing it yourself. The only real benefit of having Apple do it is their ability to do a clean install of it - they backup all your data on an external drive. If you have one yourself, then you would do well to avoid the lines certain to come as a result of people upgrading to Tiger and do it yourself.

 

[earthtoandy]

yes and no. Yo can back to the bar and hang out and install it for yourself but they will be ther eto helpalong the way and answer any questions

 

[otateossian]

OSX on a pc

Here's a funny question?? Does anyone know if you can install OSX on a PC?? I was looking at the specs on the apple site of a G5 and it seems the same as anyother computer. does that mean that OS 10.3 would work on a PC??

Thanks for the advice

 

[wordmunger]

Here's a funny question?? Does anyone know if you can install OSX on a PC?? I was looking at the specs on the apple site of a G5 and it seems the same as anyother computer. does that mean that OS 10.3 would work on a PC??

Thanks for the advice

No, it doesn't.

 

[wrldwzrd89]

Here's a funny question?? Does anyone know if you can install OSX on a PC?? I was looking at the specs on the apple site of a G5 and it seems the same as anyother computer. does that mean that OS 10.3 would work on a PC??

Thanks for the advice

You're forgetting about the all-important PowerPC processor. Windows PCs use x86 processors, which aren't compatible with PPC (nor is PPC compatible with x86). Basically, Mac OS X (which is written for PPC) won't run on x86, or anything else that isn't PPC, for that matter.

 

[ollie]

it more or less going form 2000 to XP is a upgraud but a lot of it is a slightly paid for service pack but you also have to remeber most upgrades to XP where from the window 9.x line to NT line so it is a complete OS replacement. windows 2000 was pretty much only really in the bunissess world and never really got that big in the privet market.

OS X has a spell checker. Use it.

Seriously.

And think about your sentences before you write them.

 

[Mord]

i have always upgraded btw and have only ever done a clean install when changeing HD's. os x is too reliable for it to be an issue for me.

i too like timeless blur get free MS software from school, if your not a student dont buy student software simple as, if your willing to do that you may as well download the software , personally i don't see a problem with downloading the software but buying something under false pretenses i do have a problem with.

people sympathize with timeless, he's in windows, no system wide spellcheck .

 

[wrldwzrd89]

i have always upgraded btw and have only ever done a clean install when changeing HD's. os x is too reliable for it to be an issue for me.

i too like timeless blur get free MS software from school, if your not a student dont buy student software simple as, if your willing to do that you may as well download the software , personally i don't see a problem with downloading the software but buying something under false pretenses i do have a problem with.

people sympathize with timeless, he's in windows, no system wide spellcheck .

Timelessblur is also a Firefox user. Firefox doesn't take advantage of the system-wide Mac OS X spell check feature.

I'm a clean install maniac. I clean install Mac OS X just because I feel like doing it.

 

[Mord]

yeah, system wide spell check is a major plus for me why it is not in firefox i have no clue.

 

[plinden]

So you basicly paid for a service pack that now that just sucks and is a rip off because that was how long it took me to go from SP1 to SP2. I was talking about a complete OS replacement. Windows upgrade time I was using was going from pre windows XP or no OS that takes quite a bit of time. Replacing an OS takes a lot longer than a service pack upgrade that 10.2 to 10.3 was.

Even if it all goes ok, SP2 still takes longer than 15 minutes. After two days and five attempts trying to install it on my Dell, I had to reinstall XP from scratch, and have given up on SP2 (I know, a definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting the result to be different - I should have known it wouldn't work after the first attempt). I am not even going to attempt it on my laptop, considering I need it for work.

 

[decksnap]

...bunissess world...

That rules.

 

[Timelessblur]

Even if it all goes ok, SP2 still takes longer than 15 minutes. After two days and five attempts trying to install it on my Dell, I had to reinstall XP from scratch, and have given up on SP2 (I know, a definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting the result to be different - I should have known it wouldn't work after the first attempt). I am not even going to attempt it on my laptop, considering I need it for work.

I did not really have any problem with SP2 across 4 or 5 computers I did personalily nor did my friend have any trouble on his computers.

The weakest of the computer being a 600mhz P3, Of the ones I did was my parents 1ghz AMD systyem that is currenltly 5 years old nor on my desktop or laptop. The time was bettween 10-30 mins for each one.

on the other note of free software from the school. I noticed that M$ makes a point of trying to do that and goes though contracts with schools to offer most of their software free to download, or dirt cheap to buy on disk. Apple on the other has made no attempt to do the same thing though schools and it is something apple needs to do