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Tiger Release Date?
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Kill this rumor!
This rumor should be killed.
Amazon usually does enter made-up dates for coming products. It could be before or after their made-up date (personally I'm guessing before).
The other *huge* red flag is that they're predicting a *ship* date that's like half a year from now. That just doesn't happen with software like this. You can *estimate* that the OS will ship in some point in time (like 1Q or 1H), but you won't really know it's Gold Master until you've thoroughly built and tested a Release Candidate. Once the RC achieves GM status, you end up with 2-4 weeks before shipping starts.
In other words, guestimates turn into estimates going 6 months to 3 months, and turn into announcements at about the 1 month mark before release.
This rumor should be killed.
Amazon usually does enter made-up dates for coming products. It could be before or after their made-up date (personally I'm guessing before).
The other *huge* red flag is that they're predicting a *ship* date that's like half a year from now. That just doesn't happen with software like this. You can *estimate* that the OS will ship in some point in time (like 1Q or 1H), but you won't really know it's Gold Master until you've thoroughly built and tested a Release Candidate. Once the RC achieves GM status, you end up with 2-4 weeks before shipping starts.
In other words, guestimates turn into estimates going 6 months to 3 months, and turn into announcements at about the 1 month mark before release.
Me Not See It
Well, I looked up Tiger on Amazon and I do not see a release date of any kind. Only mentions that the item is "not in stock or has been discontinued". Perhaps it was an error that has since been corrected.
Well, I looked up Tiger on Amazon and I do not see a release date of any kind. Only mentions that the item is "not in stock or has been discontinued". Perhaps it was an error that has since been corrected.
march 31st sounds ok.. especially when I'm fine with Panther. Tiger will surely amaze me, but unlike with Jaguar, I have no intentions of touching beta releases just because of curiosity. Tiger will be out eventually and that day will be the day when I have my money ready.
It would be a terrible mistake if Apple had already decided on a definite release date. They should announce and release Tiger when it's ready otherwise they would risk having to ship an unfinished and buggy OS.
johnnyjibbs said:
I agree.
Even though I have faithfully shelled out $129 per upgrade going back to Jaguar, I have always felt that there should be an upgrade path for dedicated users at a lower price point.
Having said that, I'll buy Tiger when it is released.
GarageBandNovacaineX said:
iPhoto
iMovie
iDVD
iCal
Spotlight
Dashboard
Automator
...and so on...
How many of these come with XP? How much would you have to pay to get similar functionality? I know a few you could get freeware analogues of, but for most, the alternatives on the Windows side are crap to nonexistent.
And when you paid $129 for OS X 10.0, how existent was XP? You might have bought Windows ME, then 2000, then XP. Then how much money would you have wasted on a horrible, virus-ridden, bug-fest?
Toe said:
That makes a lot of sense. MWSF is the big event during the first half of the year, and Apple can cut themselves a lot of latitude on the release date. That said, if the big ta-da of MWSF is Tiger, what about the color iPod?
The iPod mini was announced at MWSF this year, so that would be the logical place to announce the color iPod. We'll know soon; if iPod is going to make the color iPod available for Christmas sales, Apple would want to have it on the market in the next few weeks.
As far as March 31 as the actual release date: The date sounds logical insofar as its the last day of the quarter; all of Apple's Tiger sales could then be cleanly tracked by quarter.
Your math is wrong
hmmmm....
Mac OS X 10.2: $258 (if OS X 10.0 + 10.2) == Windows XP $300 + Antivirus Software ($50) + Firewall software ($50) + Several dozens bottles of Tylenol ($100)+ time spent dealing with problems (countless): $500+
Mac OS X 10.3: $129 (2003) == Long(wait)horn (expected sometime later this decade) ($???)
Mac OS X 10.4: $129 (Early 2005) == Even Longer (wait) Horn XP 2012 ($???)
Considering the state of the OSes, 10.4 will be WAY AHEAD of the next couple of versions of the crud that Microsh*t turns out., I'd say that over a 5 year period, $516 is a bargain and well worth the price.
NovacaineX said:
hmmmm....
Mac OS X 10.2: $258 (if OS X 10.0 + 10.2) == Windows XP $300 + Antivirus Software ($50) + Firewall software ($50) + Several dozens bottles of Tylenol ($100)+ time spent dealing with problems (countless): $500+
Mac OS X 10.3: $129 (2003) == Long(wait)horn (expected sometime later this decade) ($???)
Mac OS X 10.4: $129 (Early 2005) == Even Longer (wait) Horn XP 2012 ($???)
Considering the state of the OSes, 10.4 will be WAY AHEAD of the next couple of versions of the crud that Microsh*t turns out., I'd say that over a 5 year period, $516 is a bargain and well worth the price.
mainemike said:
I am hoping they do a deal for .Mac users. Buy Tiger and register it, get $XX off your next .Mac renewal...
Normally I would have a hard time justifying the cost of $129 almost every year, but since Im a student and can get it for around $70, or whatever the edu price is, then it isnt so bad. And you can bet I'll preorder it the second they announce it, I did with Panther and I will with Tiger
Whether this is true or not it is still fun to speculate, as shown by number of posts already. Either way will probably will know for sure at MWSF '05. I'm really hoping that Steve will have a "Tiger Release Party." They are loads of fun and recently with great specials.
Sorry to be a downer, but the license says "Current University of Oregon students, faculty and staff are eligible to use software under this site license."Lloyd1994 said:Oh I hope it comes out before I graduate in June. UO has a site license and its a $15 media fee for an upgrade for any student/teacher/faculty.
I believe that implies that once you graduate, you will no longer be licensed to use the covered software.
The timing seems about right to me. I am still waiting for something in Tiger to wow me enough to put out the $129.
Toe said:Sorry to be a downer, but the license says "Current University of Oregon students, faculty and staff are eligible to use software under this site license."
I believe that implies that once you graduate, you will no longer be licensed to use the covered software.
which is why he said he hopes it comes out before june when he graduates... it sounds like hes in a similar boat like me... load up and buy all the software you can afford at student prices before your student discount expires via graduation...
Dude - Windows XP costs $89.95
Look here - Windows XP for $89.95 (http://www.centralcomputer.com/products.asp?pline=SOPEM) when purchased with hardware (such as a disk).
That's for XP Home, which is all that most home users could possibly need.
For XP Pro, the price is $143.95 for the OEM version.
And the Service Packs are free....
Toe said:
Look here - Windows XP for $89.95 (http://www.centralcomputer.com/products.asp?pline=SOPEM) when purchased with hardware (such as a disk).
That's for XP Home, which is all that most home users could possibly need.
For XP Pro, the price is $143.95 for the OEM version.
And the Service Packs are free....
A few thoughts:
1. I hope Apple takes their time with Tiger. Since it is going to be the last major upgrade to OSX for the next couple of years, I hope they load in the features and make an insanely great OS. March or June really doesn't matter. Features, security, speed do.
2. It is soooo annoying that every time there is an article about the next version of OSX, we get hundreds of posts about the $129 subscription fee.
People need to grow up.
When Quicken comes out with a new version every year, do you complain?
Adobe?
Microsoft?
When Apple releases a new iPod do you think you have to buy it as part of a subscription fee? No, your current iPod still works
Buy it if you want it. It's really that simple.As gets pointed out each and every time people start complaining, you can still use OS7 if you want.
Plus, adding up the costs of each and every version to prove it is more expensive than Windows is pathetic. So Apple is an innovative company and updates their OS faster than MS. So what? That's bad? And what would you prefer: Apple to be more like MS and give you an update ever 4 years? With each new version being slower than the previous one?
You would kill for the OPTION of paying 129 for a faster, richer OS every 12-18 months.
1. I hope Apple takes their time with Tiger. Since it is going to be the last major upgrade to OSX for the next couple of years, I hope they load in the features and make an insanely great OS. March or June really doesn't matter. Features, security, speed do.
2. It is soooo annoying that every time there is an article about the next version of OSX, we get hundreds of posts about the $129 subscription fee.
People need to grow up.
When Quicken comes out with a new version every year, do you complain?
Adobe?
Microsoft?
When Apple releases a new iPod do you think you have to buy it as part of a subscription fee? No, your current iPod still works
Buy it if you want it. It's really that simple.As gets pointed out each and every time people start complaining, you can still use OS7 if you want.
Plus, adding up the costs of each and every version to prove it is more expensive than Windows is pathetic. So Apple is an innovative company and updates their OS faster than MS. So what? That's bad? And what would you prefer: Apple to be more like MS and give you an update ever 4 years? With each new version being slower than the previous one?
You would kill for the OPTION of paying 129 for a faster, richer OS every 12-18 months.