Tiger Release Date?

[AidenShaw]

You can't really compare an OEM version of XP with a non-OEM version of OS X.

Why not?

The only thing different about the OEM version of XP is the price, it's exactly the same operating system.

You don't even have to be an OEM to legitimately purchase the OEM version - all you need to do is buy the OEM kit on the same order as a major piece of hardware (disk, CPU, mobo,...).

Had you said "you can't compare XP with OS X" - that's something that's in the religious/political arena. Let's not go there.

The "OEM" part of your statement, though, adds no value - there's no distinction to the OEM version of XP, and there's no OEM version of OS X.

My point is simply that the discussion should use a realistic price, not a list price that nobody needs to pay. You and I can buy the full version of XP Pro *and* a 160 GB disk for less than the list price.

ps: My kitty likes your kitty!

 

[Lloyd1994]

which is why he said he hopes it comes out before june when he graduates... it sounds like hes in a similar boat like me... load up and buy all the software you can afford at student prices before your student discount expires via graduation...

Thanks for backing me up jdechko If the deal is there and the University will pay for it, why not use it?

 

[Mainyehc]

GarageBand
iPhoto
iMovie
iDVD
Mail
iCal
Spotlight
Dashboard
Automator
...and so on...

iLife DOES NOT come bundled with Mac OS X!! I know for sure that if I buy Tiger next year I'll probably stick with the iLife '04 that came with my new iMac G5... I'll probably skip iLife '05 and buy the '06 version... Too bad Apple wants us to shell out an extra €50 or whatever for iLife... Including iLife in every release of OS X would certainly make it a VERY compelling purchase!

IIRC, that's what they usually do. 10.3 contains versions of programs that were previously only available for a fee to 10.2 users, ala iChat AV and the previous version of iLife.

Or.... Am I completely wrong on this one?? If so, please explain me what Apple does about iLife versions... I wasn't actually aware of this

 

[gunthian]

I've been waiting on a book to get released for the last three years. Amazon's had a pub date listed for it for at least two years now, even though the author still hasn't even finished writing it and doesn't know himself when he'll be done. Amazon's release dates are entirely made up...

 

[~Shard~]

Nice to see a date for Tiger, although I am still not convinced it is worth the upgrade from Panther for myself. Guess I'll wait and see when all of its features are announced whether or not I'll bite the bullet. Probably will in the end, damn you Apple...

I don't know if the Amazon date can be taken as exact, as they have gotten things wrong before and have been inaccurate, however their dates always seem to be close, so if Amazon is saying the end of March, then I doubt the release date will be in July or something like that - no doubt this is a decent estimate.

 

[dizastor]

AppleInsider posts an update... Amazon has now pulled the release date on their website.... Apple Legal waving their magic wand?

Steve throws a temper tantrum and pulls all Apple products from Amazon...
Takes Apples cash reserves and starts Applezon.com... take that!

 

[macridah]

a little later than i thought. I was hoping that it would be announced early january and release in feb. ... that cool though ... at least it's not going to be released during the next WWDC in june.

 

[~Shard~]

a little later than i thought. I was hoping that it would be announced early january and release in feb. ... that cool though ... at least it's not going to be released during the next WWDC in june.

This was actually a little earlier than I thought. Knowing Steve, I thought he'd want to milk it for all it's worth and cram as many features, etc., into Tiger before releasing it. Since he said it would be released "in the first half of 2005", I thought we'd see it more like June 30th. But, this is great news if it indeed will be earlier - guess we'll see...

 

[mainemike]

It is soooo annoying that every time there is an article about the next version of OSX, we get hundreds of posts about the $129 subscription fee.

People need to grow up.

When Quicken comes out with a new version every year, do you complain?
Adobe?
Microsoft?

I think your argument is faulty because the companies you are citing offer lower price point upgrade paths for previous software users. When I buy an upgrade to Photoshop or MS Word, I'm paying quite a bit less than someone who buys the software for the first time. It makes good business SENSE.
You reward customer loyalty and continue the growth with future "rewards".
Apple does not do this with OSX.

As I stated earlier, I'll buy Tiger at the $129 price, I'm not kidding myself.
But do I feel that Apple could do better for dedicated Mac afficianados?
Yes, I do. And all of the pro-corporate cheerleading in the world will not change my mind. Apple is a cool company; some of us see tiny cracks that could be filled to make it even cooler.
Deal with it.

 

[SiliconAddict]

You can't really compare an OEM version of XP with a non-OEM version of OS X.

So? An OEM version is no diff from a one purchased directly from MS.

 

[~Shard~]

I think your argument is faulty because the companies you are citing offer lower price point upgrade paths for previous software users. When I buy an upgrade to Photoshop of MS Word, I'm paying quite a bit less than someone who buys the software for the first time. It makes good business SENSE.
You reward customer loyalty and continue the growth with future "rewards".
Apple does not do this with OSX.

As I stated earlier, I'll buy Tiger at the $129 price, I'm not kidding myself.
But do I feel that Apple could do better for dedicated Mac afficianados?
Yes, I do. And all of the pro-corporate cheerleading in the world will not change my mind. Apple is a cool company; some of us see tiny cracks that could be filled to make it even cooler.
Deal with it.

Agreed - there are always faults and weaknesses even with great companies such as Apple, and always room for improvement - people should not blindly follow what they do and never question their actions, decisions and practices. I think asking for $129 every single year for an OS upgrade is a little bit on the high side, although I'm not complaining. I would like to see either a price break/upgrade path for current users of Panther, a lower price in general, or more time between upgrades like this instead of every year. (That's a tough call too though, since it's nice to get frequent updates as soon as Apple's engineers have them ready to go.)

I am very happy with Panther, and I do not see myself buying Tiger as it stands right now simply because I have only been using Panther for less than a year and don't have a pressing urge to upgrade, let alone for $129! I'm thinking I might just wait for 10.5 Lion or 10.6 Norwegian Forest Cat.

 

[frozenstar]

iLife DOES NOT come bundled with Mac OS X!! I know for sure that if I buy Tiger next year I'll probably stick with the iLife '04 that came with my new iMac G5... I'll probably skip iLife '05 and buy the '06 version... Too bad Apple wants us to shell out an extra €50 or whatever for iLife... Including iLife in every release of OS X would certainly make it a VERY compelling purchase!

Or.... Am I completely wrong on this one?? If so, please explain me what Apple does about iLife versions... I wasn't actually aware of this

Every new release of Mac OS X includes the latest version of every iLife application. So, yes, you're wrong.

 

[Zaty]

Every new release of Mac OS X includes the latest version of every iLife application. So, yes, you're wrong.

First, it used to include what is now iLife. Secondly, iDVD was never included. My point is, since iLife '04 carried a $49 for everyone who didn't buy a new Mac, there's a good chance iLife '05, or whatever the next version of the suite will be called, will remain a separate set of software, although Apple will continue to include it with new Macs. However, Apple might offer a bundle (Tiger + iLife 05) for $149 or something. (They're already running a similar promotion with Panther + iLife 04)

Wouldn't Apple make their customers angry if they released and sold iLife 05 in January for $49 and then include in Tiger shipping in March/April?

 

[aswitcher]

First, it used to include what is now iLife. Secondly, iDVD was never included. My point is, since iLife '04 carried a $49 for everyone who didn't buy a new Mac, there's a good chance iLife '05, or whatever the next version of the suite will be called, will remain a separate set of software, although Apple will continue to include it with new Macs. However, Apple might offer a bundle (Tiger + iLife 05) for $149 or something. (They're already running a similar promotion with Panther + iLife 04)

Wouldn't Apple make their customers angry if they released and sold iLife 05 in January for $49 and then include in Tiger shipping in March/April?

I see your reasoning but I do hope they bundle both...infact with Tiger you may require iLife 05'...

 

[Benj]

Thanks for backing me up jdechko If the deal is there and the University will pay for it, why not use it?

Guys - if the licence allows students to use it, once you are no longer a student you can't. You need your own or you will be infringing.

 

[Linh_My]

Why not?

The only thing different about the OEM version of XP is the price, it's exactly the same operating system.

Not quite true. The OEM serial number is tied to your Motherboard and can not be moved to another mother board. I had this fact drilled into my head at a MS systembuilder briefing. MS's official position is that if you wish to be able to upgrade the motherboard, you must either buy the full retail version or buy a new copy of the OEM version. XP is timebomed so that it will fail to load if not officialy registered.

 

[AidenShaw]

Not quite true. The OEM serial number is tied to your Motherboard and can not be moved to another mother board. I had this fact drilled into my head at a MS systembuilder briefing. MS's official position is that if you wish to be able to upgrade the motherboard, you must either buy the full retail version or buy a new copy of the OEM version. XP is timebomed so that it will fail to load if not officialy registered.

You are describing activation policy. This does not require that the bits on-disk be any different - it just requires that the activation servers at Microsoft recognize which serial numbers are OEM packages.

But yes, you've described a difference between the two versions of XP.

On the other hand, is there much of a practical difference between that and Apple's licensing policy?

If you upgrade the motherboard on a Mac, you have to buy a new copy of OS X.

If you buy a single copy of OS X, policy doesn't allow you to install it on two computers.

If you sell your old Mac, you should wipe its disk clean (delete OS X, or reinstall the OS X disks that came with the old computer) if you intend to install your copy of OS X on your new computer.


ps: Actually, XP will continue to load even if not activated. You can't login, but it will pop up the "activate now" panel even after the "time-bomb" goes off. Minor point.

 

[virus1]

Pardon me, but so what? We are months away and we know the general timeframe of the release... I fail to see why this was put on page one...

Also, i personally see no point in tiger right now. i currently have the developers release from wwdc and it has no major improvements worth using. My files are organized enough that i don't need spotlight...

 

[billyboy]

Overall MS have $7bn a year compared to Apple's $0.5bn for R+D. I know where Id rather stick my $129 contributions for a value for money computing experience.

It is the likes of "suckers" like me and most posters here paying $129 a year subscription that has enabled Apple to develop the OS so quickly and so well over the last three years. The reward for supporting OS X thus far is going to be Tiger, (whenever it appears next year) which will probably be the best OS Apple can offer for a good couple of years, and will be probably be ahead of MS next great offering for rather more than two years.

When you think how much innovation Apple has brought to the table with such a paltry sum, the $129´s have been excellent value for money - and no doubt, with no need to be buying an OSX upgrade every year after Tiger, Apple will be tempting us to carry on paying our annual $129 with offerings of other embryonic killer lines they want to make into the best of class.

 

[~Shard~]

Pardon me, but so what? We are months away and we know the general timeframe of the release... I fail to see why this was put on page one...

It was put on page 1 because some people find it more important than you obviously do. Just because you don't care doesn't mean others don't. If you don't care, then why even bother reading and posting in this thread?

Also, i personally see no point in tiger right now. i currently have the developers release from wwdc and it has no major improvements worth using. My files are organized enough that i don't need spotlight...

Good for you. However different people have different needs and requirements for functionality, etc., and just because you don't see value in it does not mean, as you have objectively stated, "it has no major improvements worth using". Your statement is incorrect - you've turned a subjective opinion into an objective statement - Tiger, to many people, does have major improvements worth using, as many people here will tell you. Some find value in it, some don't - but please don't state that it has nothing worth using.

So if you don't want it, fine, don't buy it, no one is forcing you to.

 

[JJTiger1]

Apple Software Proof-of-Purchase Coupons

This is always talked about. The problem with Mac OS X is that its pricing structure is not that fair. For example, you could be with it, supporting it the whole time, and have paid the $516 you quoted. However, OS 9 users (or new Mac users) can jump straight in at 10.4 and get it all for just $129. Now, you could say that you have to pay for the priviledge of using Mac OS X since 2001, which I agree with, but surely not that much? I think a fairer solution would be to offer Tiger (10.4) for $49 or $59 to anyone who has Panther (10.3) and, say $89 or $99 for anyone who has Jaguar (10.2). Users with any other operating system would then have to purchase for $129.

Once upon a time: Apple actually let you update an OS that you bought, at a reduced price if you used an Apple Software Proof-of-Purchase coupon from the sheet of coupons that is included with your purchase of the Retail OS installer CD's.

This has happened with OS 8.5, 8.6 and 9.0.
... I have a coupon missing from the coupon sheets for each of those OS's.

I think that the upgrading from older OSX to Tiger would be an excellent opportunity for Apple to do the right thing for the Apple Faithful by honoring an Apple Software Proof-of-Purchase coupon thus allowing a discount on the purchase of the latest OS.
=-=
JJ

 

[Ambrose Chapel]

I think that the upgrading from older OSX to Tiger would be an excellent opportunity for Apple to do the right thing for the Apple Faithful by honoring an Apple Software Proof-of-Purchase coupon thus allowing a discount on the purchase of the latest OS.
=-=
JJ

i agree...i almost certainly won't be upgrading to tiger...based on what they've announced so far there isn't much that makes it compelling for me. if they offered an upgrade price, otoh, i'd take a much harder look at it.

 

[morrisonjd]

Amazon Screen Shot...

This was first reported on Mac Rumor Mill, http://www.macrumormill.com

They have a screen shot of the original Amazon Tiger page. Amazon has since changed it on their site. So much for it not being reliable information.

 

[Toe]

Why not?

The only thing different about the OEM version of XP is the price, it's exactly the same operating system.

You don't even have to be an OEM to legitimately purchase the OEM version - all you need to do is buy the OEM kit on the same order as a major piece of hardware (disk, CPU, mobo,...).

WHich raises your overall price to...?

The point is technically OEM is for bundling with a new PC. If you're comparing that to OS X... then OS X is free with purchase of a new Mac. iLife 04 too.

 

[wdlove]

Pardon me, but so what? We are months away and we know the general timeframe of the release... I fail to see why this was put on page one...

Also, i personally see no point in tiger right now. i currently have the developers release from wwdc and it has no major improvements worth using. My files are organized enough that i don't need spotlight...

Have you kept up with release updates since then? There are bound to be some worthwhile items. Sounds like we won't see another major update until later in 2006.