Tiger Requirements!!!

[MacFan26]

Sort of an off topic question...does Tiger "take full advantage" of the G5 architecture? I mean, is it an actual 64 bit operating system? Otherwise it wouldn't work on the G4, G3 etc? Sorry for the dumb question, lol, I'm just a little confused on the processor side.

 

[TigerPRO]

Sort of an off topic question...does Tiger "take full advantage" of the G5 architecture? I mean, is it an actual 64 bit operating system? Otherwise it wouldn't work on the G4, G3 etc? Sorry for the dumb question, lol, I'm just a little confused on the processor side.

It is my understanding that Tiger is NOT a 64 bit operating system; meaning that the os is not writen in 64 bit code. I am sure however, that Mac OS X does have parts that are "optimized" for G5 processors (whatever that means). But the main thing is that 64 bit applications are supported?

 

[MacFan26]

It is my understanding that Tiger is NOT a 64 bit operating system; meaning that the os is not writen in 64 bit code. I am sure however, that Mac OS X does have parts that are "optimized" for G5 processors (whatever that means). But the main thing is that 64 bit applications are supported?

Okay, that's what I thought...I figured it wasn't 64 bit but had that whole "optimization" thing. I guess that was more my question, if 64 bit apps were supported. I thought I remembered hearing at WWDC last year that they would be, because that's one of the things CoreImage took advantage of and all that. Not that it really applies to me anyway since I don't have a G5...

 

[TigerPRO]

Not that it really applies to me anyway since I don't have a G5...

I WISH it applied to me.

 

[jsalzer]

Pismo

Whelp, my Pismo meets the listed requirements (it has Firewire and a G3), but it isn't listed on the supported hardware list. I went ahead and bought two copies of the big beast. I'll get comfortable with Tiger at work (on my iMac G5) and wait from you fine folks to see if Tiger works well on the Pismo. If not, Panther purrrrrrs quite well, but I'm afraid of the changes in iSync. I wonder if a Pismo on Panther will continue to sync flawlessly with the iMac when it moves to Tiger. Sure hope so. It's a real life saver.

Waiting for my new kitties! Even if one isn't allowed to leave the litter box.

 

[TigerPRO]

PS2 ports can run at 200hz compared to the 125hz max of a USB port. So the refresh rate for a ps2 port is higher than a USB. Figure I would correct you on that.

Perhaps, but I was speaking mainly in the context of data bandwidth. But an interesting fact none the less. I didn't know that.

 

[paxtonandrew]

It is just a way to classify processor types and speeds. If I remember right, any Mac with Firewire is at least a 400mhz G3. It's easier to say "must have firewire" than denote processor speeds and types.

Bzzzt Wrong.

My G3 B&W is only 350MHz, and has Firewire. Firewire started with the 300MHz B&W. So, in other words,

TIGER WILL GO ON A 300MHz BLUE AND WHITE G3

 

[James Philp]

Me too.

Whelp, my Pismo meets the listed requirements (it has Firewire and a G3), but it isn't listed on the supported hardware list. I went ahead and bought two copies of the big beast. I'll get comfortable with Tiger at work (on my iMac G5) and wait from you fine folks to see if Tiger works well on the Pismo. If not, Panther purrrrrrs quite well, but I'm afraid of the changes in iSync. I wonder if a Pismo on Panther will continue to sync flawlessly with the iMac when it moves to Tiger. Sure hope so. It's a real life saver.

Waiting for my new kitties! Even if one isn't allowed to leave the litter box.

Being another proud father of a Pismo, I think apple must have just forgotten about us! We aren't part of their "white and shiney metal" dream anymore.
I will also do as you have said, but will install tiger first on an iMac G4 - Wish I had a G5 of course!
B.T.W. How much RAM do you have, and in what configuration? (I have 128 pre-installed and an extra 256. - How easy is it to get in the guts and put another 256 to go to 256x2=512?

 

[James Philp]

TIGER WILL GO ON A 300MHz BLUE AND WHITE G3

Perhaps, but open iTunes, and you'll be 50% CPU usage. Open anything else (new Mail, new Safari etc etc) and you're going to be in pain! Just writing in this dialogue box now seems to make my CPU peak at 100% often, and that is when safari is the only open app!! (G3 Pismo 500MHz, 384MB)

P.S. - You may have noticed i took the formatting off your post, cos it's very annoying. To make a point can you just embolden and capitalise please, you're hurting my scrolling finger!

 

[vouder17]

Have you seen the Tiger requirements

* Built-in FireWire

The panther requirements also said that you need Firewire. But i installed panther on my iMac 233mhz, which doesnt even understand the word 'firewire' and it ran...ok. I think that they are just trrying to point out that the fire wire is just a requiremnt for all the features of Tiger..like the assistant thingy.

 

[nekkets]

I WISH it applied to me.

same here buddy

 

[James Philp]

Yup

same here buddy

Same here too. Thing is, if i do buy a g5 system, i'm gonna buy the best i can, so it lasts as long as it should!!

 

[26139]

Hmmm...

Bzzzt Wrong.

My G3 B&W is only 350MHz, and has Firewire. Firewire started with the 300MHz B&W. So, in other words,

TIGER WILL GO ON A 300MHz BLUE AND WHITE G3

If you read my post AGAIN, you might see that I wasn't completely sure about the firewire/processor cutoff.

THANK YOU FOR BEING SO ASTUTE. YOUR ADMISSION AND SARCASM WERE VERY HELPFUL.

Have fun running Tiger on that machine though....

PS....on another note, if I install a pci firewire card in my G3 Tower, does that mean firewire is built in and I can install it?!?! First one to answer this questions truthfully gets a prize...

 

[puckhead193]

Do you think tiger will work on my old LC

 

[TigerPRO]

Do you think tiger will work on my old LC

I don't know. Does it have firewire?

 

[ifjake]

i'm not sure how i got this impression, but i got the impression that CoreImage was scalable and would adjust to the capablilities of your graphics card. so the list of cards is really the fully capable cards. but now, as i read some stuff on the apple site, i'm not so sure.

Core Image is powered by floating-point calculations, which produce extremely fine color accuracy on a pixel-by-pixel basis. You see great detail, quality and range of color that automatically scales with new generations of GPUs and CPUs.

maybe scalability applies to only "new generation" GPUs, whatever the heck that means. there's also a mention of the graphic card needing to be "programmable." so ... yeah, not a clue.

really i'm just curious. basically not having core image to me means no ripple effect when using dashboard as far as i know. big whup. no interface problems now with panther. i'd just as soon assume that even without CoreImage i would still see some improvements.

 

[jsalzer]

Pismo Power

Being another proud father of a Pismo, I think apple must have just forgotten about us! We aren't part of their "white and shiney metal" dream anymore....B.T.W. How much RAM do you have, and in what configuration? (I have 128 pre-installed and an extra 256. - How easy is it to get in the guts and put another 256 to go to 256x2=512?

Ah - another Pismo fan - the last truly beautiful laptop Apple has put out.

I have a 400mHz (which I believe is a "Low Pismo" versus those with 500mHz). It initially came with 64MB of RAM. I have it at 512 + 256 = 768. I had it at 64 + 256 = 320, and OSX just killed it to a crawl and ate up my 4GB HD with those dern swap files. 768 RAM with a new 40GB hard drive have relieved all of those problems. It's like a new machine.

Adding the RAM is really pretty easy if you still have your gray book that explains how. Kinda scary if it's your first time, but just follow the directions, and you'll be fine. And, yes, you do have to get kinda rough with the new RAM to get it in. Just apply steady, tough pressure.

Pismo Pride!

[Edit - I hadn't read your second message about how slow your Pismo is going. It should actually be in better shape than mine, since it has 500mHz versus my 400. You're very likely running into the problem that I had with constant file swapping (moving of RAM info onto the hard drive, like the old Virtual RAM) - especially if you have the 4GB hard drive. I always had the trouble of my Pismo filling itself up and then dying because it had no room to do anything. RAM and an HD upgrade together will solve all of those issues for you - at least on Panther. ]

 

[gerrian]

It is my understanding that Tiger is NOT a 64 bit operating system; meaning that the os is not writen in 64 bit code. I am sure however, that Mac OS X does have parts that are "optimized" for G5 processors (whatever that means). But the main thing is that 64 bit applications are supported?

Optimized for 64 bit may be aligning data fields so they and on 64 bit boundaries. This speeds up ram access.
This would not make the code incompatible with 32 bit CPUs, but it will increase program memory requirements.

Going the full way to a 64 bit OS or application would mean also converting CPU instructions to use the 64 bit set. This may cause some duplication of code due to continuing support for 32 bit CPUs.

G

 

[gerrian]

The panther requirements also said that you need Firewire. But i installed panther on my iMac 233mhz, which doesnt even understand the word 'firewire' and it ran...ok. I think that they are just trrying to point out that the fire wire is just a requiremnt for all the features of Tiger..like the assistant thingy.

Panther required built in USB, so that officially eliminated the beige G3s even though some are much more capable and upgradeable than the iMacs of the era.
Tiger requires built in Firewire, so that officially eliminated the early iMacs and some more G3 DTs. That implies USB.
PCI USB and FW don't count for the MacOS X installer.
There is an unofficial way to bypass the Panther built in USB requirements:
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/osx-center/


I feel that the Jaguar realistic minimum Mac is:
G3/400 6GB (3GB for MacOS X) 500MB of ram.

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=M9639Z/A
Hardware Requirements
PowerPC G5, G4 or G3 processor
Built-in FireWire
DVD drive is required for installation
At least 256MB of physical RAM

 

[7on]

I used DIsk Utility. In the Restore Tab. Source = OSX install DVD. Destination = FW harddrive (iPod would work too, but I used a FW HDD). Leave the Erase destination unchecked. Then click Restore or Ok, whatever it is. That should put Tiger on an external harddrive and be bootable through changing the startup disk in System Preferences. Upgraded an iBook and eMac this way without any problems whatsoever.

And like someone said, finding a DVD equipped Mac is pretty easy. If not, external DVD drives are like $30 or so. Go $50 and get a DVD burner

 

[savar]

Hardly anyone is going to need the CD versions. It's almost like people demanding that Apple make Tiger available in a floppy disc set. Come on people, get with the times. Tiger takes up to 4GB of space on your HD, CDs are becoming downright primative and inadequate. Get over them, move on.

The only reason Apple is inconveniencing people with only CDROM drives is because they know the number of DVDs to the number of CDs their going to sell is going to be highly unproportional. Like less than 1% (ok, maybe a slight exaggeration). But the point is, to make a whole separate product for just CDs would be like selling Macs with PS/2 ports. And that's retarded.

Hardly anyone??? When I bought my mac, a G4/733 Mhz, the standard drive configuration was CD-RW. DVD was a BTO option and I don't even remember DVD-R being available. Even after DVD-ROMs became standard on the G4, I'm sure it took longer to reach the powerbook and especially ibook, imac, and emac. (I'm speaking speculatively here, however. I don't know for sure.)

4GB uncompressed implies no more than 2.5GB compressed. Thats bordering on 4-5 CDs MAX. Frankly, I'm a little burned up by Apple's move. I can understand not sending millions of CD install boxes to stores, but why not be able to buy a CD set straight from the Apple online store? I really can't think of a good logistical argument against this. If you think of one, please tell. It would make me feel better to know that this isn't just an obnoxious move.

I'm buying a new DVD-RAM drive to replace my CD-RW and hopefully install Tiger. Luckily these drives are cheap some places...but I'm still a bit pissed.