Tiger support by apple?

[Vapor matt]

Just to point it out, Windows XP isn't 12 years old, it's 10, and Microsoft barely supports it. All new Microsoft products don't run on it (IE9, WMP12, etc.). All security updates go away in 2012. If another company chooses to support Windows XP, great! Apple doesn't support it because it's old. Just get a new computer if it's that big a deal. It's probably time you do anyways.

24th/8/2001 XP's release, anyway who cares about XP i only used it to say Devs still support it, hardware still supports it even though its much older than tiger.

anyway i can look at my G4 iMac and think cool, perhaps its time to put a mac mini in it!

 

[mabaker]

Vapor, enable HTML5 on YouTube and you will get a pretty good Youtube experience.

 

[MacCraig Pro]

Let me put it this way. Apple ditch support for an OS pretty much as soon as they release a new one.

Thats not exactly true, all versions of OS X are supported until the next version after the current one. Snow Leopard is still supported (and still sold in Apple Stores) now we have Lion and when we have 10.8, Lion will be supported and support will be dropped for Snow Leopard.

Its always happened this way, and as has previously been pointed out Apple are a hardware company the foremost, so they want you to buy a new machine when you can. Thats where they make most of their profit, not from £20 OS upgrades!

Plus Apple have always dropped support for things quite quickly, I prefer it that way rather than having a lot of old code slowing things down. Its one of the reasons why Windows takes so long to install as it contains a lot of legacy drivers.

 

[GermanyChris]

so I guess in the end, you'll probably be happier on windows. Go that route and see how far it takes you. Windows 8 is looking pretty stellar and is reasonably light, if you don't like it sell it and move on, the grass is always greener..

 

[mabaker]

so I guess in the end, you'll probably be happier on windows. Go that route and see how far it takes you. Windows 8 is looking pretty stellar and is reasonably light, if you don't like it sell it and move on, the grass is always greener..

Windows 8 is just Windows 7 with Media Center layer on. That is supposed to be light?

 

[Vapor matt]

so I guess in the end, you'll probably be happier on windows. Go that route and see how far it takes you. Windows 8 is looking pretty stellar and is reasonably light, if you don't like it sell it and move on, the grass is always greener..

well who knows windows 8 might be the best windows yet, win 7 is very good let alone 8 but with 5 macs in the house and 4 pc's i have enough choice on what to play on, I just didn't want to ditch the best looking iMac apple have ever made.

 

[GermanyChris]

Windows 8 is just Windows 7 with Media Center layer on. That is supposed to be light?

Yuppers runs just peachy off 1.5gb ram..can't do that with 7

 

[old-wiz]

why? maybe to offer people who bought apple hardware a use for it after 6 years of age or perhaps apples green approach is to throw away anything thats 6 years or more old as its now useless. and if apple were just hardware why IOS-5 OSX lion. and why don't apple have the very latest tech out before PC based machines do if hardware is there thing. also its the simplistic OS which sells mac hardware or we would all use PC,s as they are faster and cheaper.

apple used to be bias towards the pro user, these days its more towards the home user and the mass market. my iMac G4 was the stepping stone to the mass market. perhaps the future will show PC's with what ever OS you want to use on it. I wonder how many PC users would switch to OSX if it supported there hardware.
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Zen you are most likely right, perhaps i should retire my old G4 to the loft and put my love affair with it on hold lol and concentrate on what the new mac pro will have to offer!

Apple uses IOS/OSx to sell hardware; they do not sell IOS or OSx separately. Apple wants people to buy new machines. Apple doesn't want people using non-apple hardware to buy osx - they want people to buy machines that run osx. The last time Apple tried to let people install osx on non-apple hardware they almost went broke.

They don't need to have the very latest tech anyway.

"simplistic OS"??? surely you jest. OSx is the equal of any other PC operating system.

Granted apple could afford to help people support older hardware, but they see no return on it.

 

[Imixmuan]

Html 5

...barely works at all on my ibook 1.2ghz, mactubes is an INFINITELY better solution, as zen.state has stated many times, mactubes is youtube without the annoying comments and ads popping up left right and center.

There are so many workarounds to flash these days that its place in the mac world is not even a question anymore. Dump flash, use mactubes, flashvideoreplacer and downloadhelper in tenfourfox, and greasekit/viewtube in safari and omniweb. And sure, you could retire that imac to the loft (I am a UK citizen but have lived stateside for so long that I can't be sure-but I think loft means attic across the pond right?), or you could sell it, or donate it, or keep it for its eventual museum piece status. It is a breathtaking bit of industrial design, (Sir Jonathan Ive anyone?) even today.

 

[vohdoun]

I have leopard on my Leopard capable machine, otherwise it is Tiger, and yes flash sucks big time. Answering for iTunes, yes it is the latest iTunes, except for Safari that is stucked at 5.0.6. Camino runs very well on my lower spec'd machines.

I'd take a newer Safari over iTunes. Do you run any extensions? for say to stop web tracking...

Just to point it out, Windows XP isn't 12 years old, it's 10, and Microsoft barely supports it. All new Microsoft products don't run on it (IE9, WMP12, etc.). All security updates go away in 2012.

I thought it was 2014. I still see the Formula 1 McLaren team using Windows XP and thats saying something...

 

[Nameci]

Yes I run extensions on my Safari. Facebook autozoom, Adblock, Clicktoplugin and youtube5.

 

[vohdoun]

Ghostery really kills Google image searches, as in a bit of a long delay before the images show up.

 

[o2sys]

I think I understand what the OP is feeling and I feel his pain.

Forget all the statistic and the when, where, who, what and why.

The simple matter of the fact is my my old Pentium 4 PC that I built 12 years ago running XP can do daily tasks better than my G4 iMac.

Its hard to argue since everyone's daily tasks are different, so lets not go there.

Not saying one is better than the other, I love my G4 (flat panel) as its the center piece in my room and love OS X WAY more than XP but just bedazzled when something that was worth 3x more when new feels inferior.

 

[markjamrobin]

If you build a cpu it will almost always be better, and anyway XP is better then 7 for speed, after all 485 MB VS. 4.4 GB is a big differnce.

 

[Vapor matt]

The simple matter of the fact is my my old Pentium 4 PC that I built 12 years ago running XP can do daily tasks better than my G4 iMac.

At last someone who understands my point!

Not saying one is better than the other, I love my G4 (flat panel) as its the center piece in my room and love OS X WAY more than XP but just bedazzled when something that was worth 3x more when new feels inferior.

This is so right, why make hardware thats so cool and futuristic just to abandon it, and knowing full well that at some point someone has invested there time and money to follow a brand which is apple also lets not forget 2004 wasn't that long ago. I can see some people just don't get it but perhaps some of you might.

There are so many workarounds to flash these days that its place in the mac world is not even a question anymore. Dump flash, use mactubes, flashvideoreplacer and downloadhelper in tenfourfox, and greasekit/viewtube in safari and omniweb. And sure, you could retire that imac to the loft (I am a UK citizen but have lived stateside for so long that I can't be sure-but I think loft means attic across the pond right?), or you could sell it, or donate it, or keep it for its eventual museum piece status. It is a breathtaking bit of industrial design, (Sir Jonathan Ive anyone?) even today.

And yes i agree workarounds are out there, and your quite right loft = attic same as trunk = boot of a car lol. and a museum mmm maybe but i was kinda wanting my stunning G4 iMac to remain the one computer people still go wow that looks so cool! can i have a go on it.


Anyway thanks everyone for all the response's I love my mac's and i just can't condemn it to the attic just yet.

 

[Goftrey]

Although I think Tiger was, and still is a great OS, are Apple, or any other company going to support an OS that is in essence, 4th in line.

Forget dates, what came after Windows XP... Vista (LOL), then Windows 7. Vista is poor and a lot of people reverted back to XP. Windows 7 IMO is the first viable Windows OS after XP.

Now think what came after Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard & Lion... THREE viable OS's out of date.

The reason why XP is still supported by software developers is because it's really one of only two Windows' that are used by the masses.

...The point I'm trying to get at is that even though Tiger is 4 years younger than XP, XP is still used by an awful lot of people simply for the fact they've got to choose between XP and 7.

 

[Vapor matt]

...The point I'm trying to get at is that even though Tiger is 4 years younger than XP, XP is still used by an awful lot of people simply for the fact they've got to choose between XP and 7.

I agree with that, and yes a lot of PC machines would have been retired had it not been for windows XP. What microsoft did with its support of XP for so long was to allow old machines which otherwise would have been retired get a new lease of life in 3rd owner or user environments also in third world countries where the price of new hardware would make computer ownership a dream.

Anyway i have 2 G4 iMacs 17" and my spare parts one is going to get a make over in the next month or 2. Ive been reading up on the installation of the mac mini inside and quite fancy a go at that. its now moved into my radio room where iam a amateur radio operator and builder. So onto my work bench it goes ready for a makeover.

 

[Goftrey]

I agree with that, and yes a lot of PC machines would have been retired had it not been for windows XP. What microsoft did with its support of XP for so long was to allow old machines which otherwise would have been retired get a new lease of life in 3rd owner or user environments also in third world countries where the price of new hardware would make computer ownership a dream.

Anyway i have 2 G4 iMacs 17" and my spare parts one is going to get a make over in the next month or 2. Ive been reading up on the installation of the mac mini inside and quite fancy a go at that. its now moved into my radio room where iam a amateur radio operator and builder. So onto my work bench it goes ready for a makeover.

Great! I've always fancied having a go at the doing the Mini iMac G4 mod... Maybe one day

Good luck!

 

[ashman70]

Here is another way of looking at it, a soon to be six year old first generation Mac Pro 1,1 still works and runs either Snow Leopard or Lion. The issue is PPC and that fact that Apple dropped it in favour of switching their hardware to intel. It's a shame for all the loyal PPC users out there, however it was the right move for Apple. A ten or twelve year old pc may run XP just fine, but XP can very quickly get hit with nasty spyware and need to be reformatted, a Mac cannot. At least with Macs you have a choice of running a few different versions of an OS, try installing Vista on that ten or twelve year old pc, see how well it runs, not to mention the several hundred dollars you'll have to pay for the upgrade, oh and the extra RAM you'll need just to run Vista.

 

[Vapor matt]

Macs you have a choice of running a few different versions of an OS, try installing Vista on that ten or twelve year old pc, see how well it runs, not to mention the several hundred dollars you'll have to pay for the upgrade, oh and the extra RAM you'll need just to run Vista.

Good point, but i wouldn't even try and install vista or win 7 on a P3 machine, even though it would run XP quite well and still be supported by dev,s and microsoft with security updates.

its like If i could load lion or SL on my G4 it would run like a dog, same as vista would on a P3 or P2 machine, thing is it won't load but the os it use's tiger isn't supported either.

anyway soon to be replaced with a mac mini insides! I hope

 

[o2sys]

Anyway i have 2 G4 iMacs 17" and my spare parts one is going to get a make over in the next month or 2. Ive been reading up on the installation of the mac mini inside and quite fancy a go at that. its now moved into my radio room where iam a amateur radio operator and builder. So onto my work bench it goes ready for a makeover.

check out http://dremmeljunkie.blogspot.com/

Your biggest overhaul will be the TMDS to DVI conversion. Everything is just basic computer building.

I'm gonna see how much longer I can enjoy the G4 until I can't take it anymore and probably put a mac mini or hackintosh in it.

 

[SkyBell]

Part of it seems to be how fast Apple releases new OS iterations. Microsoft will keep producing a version of Windows for 3 or 4 years. Apple seems to like much shorter gaps. If I remember correctly, the gap between the release of Tiger and the release of Leopard is the longest in OS X's history. It would make some sense that Apple would try to keep Tiger updated to "make up" for how long it was available, but that's not how they work. Most Apple consumers seem to update to the newest machine/OS as soon as they possibly can anyway, so it provides little incentive for keeping it up to date.

Besides, Apple did update it and provide new software releases for it for a long time, much longer then they did for previous versions of OS X. It's still useful, perhaps a bit less today than it was new, but it by no means an "outdated" OS in my eye. It's the newest version of OS X I run, I have no use for Leopard or above. If you want to keep up with the latest developments in software, well, you've gotta have a recent OS. I admit I was ticked when I discovered I could not use my 6G iPod nano on Tiger because of the lack of iTunes 10 and had to revert to using my 9 year old PC with XP, but that's Apple's way. Not to mention that XP was around for so long, and is still so prevalent, it would be foolish to discontinue support for it, at this point anyway.

Tiger just isn't in the mainstream like it used to be, and Leopard will not be far behind when 10.7 comes out. Apple is a fast growing and ever evolving company, and if you want to keep up, you gotta pay the price, whatever that may be.

 

[ashman70]

"Tiger just isn't in the mainstream like it used to be, and Leopard will not be far behind when 10.7 comes out"

Not sure what you mean when you say "when 10.7 comes out" 10.7 is out, Lion is 10.7

 

[Vapor matt]

check out http://dremmeljunkie.blogspot.com/

Your biggest overhaul will be the TMDS to DVI conversion. Everything is just basic computer building.

I'm gonna see how much longer I can enjoy the G4 until I can't take it anymore and probably put a mac mini or hackintosh in it.

Thanks for the info

I have been watching that blog for ages, so many good things that will help for the mac mini conversion.

Hi cassie

Well i guess i will keep my G4 iMac complete just because its so cool, and my other one iam going to go for a i7 mac mini conversion, so a little road rocket G4 will be born soon i hope!

 

[goMac]

It's not a matter of age, it's the processor type.

If PowerPCs are .1% of the active computers on the net, why on earth would Adobe work on optimizing Flash on a PowerPC?

If the iMac G4 had an Intel processor Adobe would still be optimizing for it today, which is why your friend's Intel machine runs Flash just fine.

That's not to say Adobe doesn't collectively have their heads up their asses.