TikTok Still On Track for January Ban as Appeals Court Upholds Ruling

[MacRumors]

Popular social network TikTok did not receive a reprieve from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, and it is still facing a ban that is set to be enacted in January, reports The Wall Street Journal.

TikTok and several of the social network's users challenged an April bill that is forcing Chinese company ByteDance to sell TikTok. The bill provided ByteDance with a nine-month period to sell TikTok to a company outside of China, and if the sale doesn't happen, TikTok won't be able to be distributed in the United States.

TikTok claimed that the bill was unconstitutional because it infringes on free speech, but the court rejected that claim.

While the ban is set to go into effect in January, TikTok is likely to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, seeking an emergency stay. From there, the Supreme Court will decide whether to hear the case.

If TikTok is banned, Google, Apple, and other app distributors will not be able to provide the app for download, nor offer updates to the app. Internet hosting services will also be blocked from supporting the app, giving U.S. users no way to download it. TikTok users will, however, be able to keep using the app so long as it functions.

ByteDance does not plan to sell TikTok, and even if the company complied and did so, China would need to approve the sale. The Chinese government has made it clear that it will firmly oppose any sale of the TikTok app. ByteDance says that it would be impossible to give the TikTok source code to a new owner because it would take years for new engineers to become familiar enough with it to perform routine maintenance.

U.S. lawmakers want TikTok sold to a non-China company over concerns that the Chinese government could force ByteDance to hand over data from users in the United States, and there have also been suggestions that China could use TikTok to spread political propaganda.

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[icanhazmac]

I never understood why anyone would install this app.

Why does a mindless source of "stupid people tricks" need to hoover up all this data? Yes, others like Meta, Amazon, Microsoft, etc. hoover as well, but TikTok is like handing all your data straight to Pooh Bear.

 

[nt5672]

" impossible to give the TikTok source code to a new owner because it would take years for new engineers to become familiar enough with it to perform routine maintenance."

What a crock.

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

One of this issues with the sale demand that they made is that they asked for it in an unrealistic small amount of time. Corporate mergers and sales take a long period of time, not a few months.

Also, politicians seem to be more concerned about foreign governments spying on us instead of our own government spying on us. (wonder why)

 

[weckart]

Given the news about Romania's presidential election, I can't see TikTok's being given the benefit of any doubt.

 

[mansplains]

I never understood why anyone would install this app.

I completely understand why impressionable teens would, adults on the other hand…

 

[anthogag]

Ban it with extreme prejudice. It is crap. It produces brain rot. I would guess it spurs early dementia.

Follow Australia's lead. Ban social media crap like Tik Tok for children and teens up to 16 years old.

 

[jz0309]

Not surprised about todays decision at all…
The “trade war” will pick up way more heat soon

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

Ban it with extreme prejudice. It is crap. It produces brain rot. I would guess it spurs early dementia.

Follow Australia's lead. Ban social media crap like Tik Tok for children and teens up to 16 years old.

Isn't it more of the parents' responsibility to raise their kids?

 

[jz0309]

I never understood why anyone would install this app.

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Why does a mindless source of "stupid people tricks" need to hoover up all this data? Yes, others like Meta, Amazon, Microsoft, etc. hoover as well, but TikTok is like handing all your data straight to Pooh Bear.

How does this compare to Facebook, instagram? Are those any better?

 

[davidg4781]

One of this issues with the sale demand that they made is that they asked for it in an unrealistic small amount of time. Corporate mergers and sales take a long period of time, not a few months.

Also, politicians seem to be more concerned about foreign governments spying on us instead of our own government spying on us. (wonder why)

They want to limit Chinese propaganda but that will also limit US citizens streaming live coverage of events and news stories. I think back during some riots a few years ago, I saw a lot more on TikTok than I did on the evening news.

 

[jz0309]

Isn't it more of the parents' responsibility to raise their kids?

That hasn’t been the case for at least 20 years now…

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

Isn't it more of the parents' responsibility to raise their kids?

There's also privacy concerns I have over state required online ID checks for social media.

Anonymous speech is free speech, and free speech can't exist without a right to speak with anonymity. Requiring ID checks to use social media is an infringement on the right to anonymous speech.

 

[breather]

I was all for banning TikTok, but then I watched a piece on Last Week Tonight and not everything is black and white.

I’m now in the camp of ”they are banning TikTok because YouTube, Facebook and other American based social media wants to cripple a competitor” camp. And now I kinda don’t want the ban because competition is good and screw YouTube and Facebook.

Have a look

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

I was all for banning TikTok, but then I watched a piece on Last Week Tonight and not everything is black and white.

I’m now in the camp of ”they are banning TikTok because YouTube, Facebook and other American based social media wants to cripple a competitor” camp.

Have a look

Protectionism under the guise of national security.

 

[Chuckeee]

Considering the current makeup of the US Supreme Court, I would say there is zero chance that this would get overturned on appeal. I would also say that there was only a very small chance that the Supreme Court will offer for a stay on the appeal courts decision and that there is the distinct chance that the Supreme Court won’t even hear the case.

And considering the results of the recent election, I would think there was small to no chance of either executive or legislative relief on this issue.

 

[weckart]

I was all for banning TikTok, but then I watched a piece on Last Week Tonight and not everything is black and white.

I’m now in the camp of ”they are banning TikTok because YouTube, Facebook and other American based social media wants to cripple a competitor” camp. And now I kinda don’t want the ban because competition is good and screw YouTube and Facebook.

Have a look

Given that China has blocked Facebook, Whatsapp, Bing, Youtube, Instagram and an array of social media located outside of China, I'm not sure anyone in the incoming administration is going to care a great deal about that.

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

Considering the current make up of the US Supreme Court, I would say there is zero chance that this would get overturned on appeal. I would also say that there was only a very small chance that the Supreme Court will offer for a stay on the appeal courts decision and that there is the distinct chance that’s the Supreme Court won’t even hear the case.

And considering the results of the recent election, I would think there was small to little chance of either executive or legislative relief on this issue.

Well, #47 was actually against the ban as of earlier this year. And some justices (Gorsuch and Kagan) seem to be very skeptical of anything that could be seen to violate the first amendment in any way.

 

[Chuckeee]

If TikTok is banned, Google, Apple, and other app distributors will not be able to provide the app for download, nor offer updates to the app. Internet hosting services will also be blocked from supporting the app, giving U.S. users no way to download it. TikTok users will, however, be able to keep using the app so long as it functions.

Seems like a sales opportunity for VPN

 

[alchemistmuffin]

U.S. lawmakers want TikTok sold to a non-China company over concerns that the Chinese government could force ByteDance to hand over data from users in the United States, and there have also been suggestions that China could use TikTok to spread political propaganda.

Note that even if that oranges colored guy makes executive order to stop the sale, there is enough support even in upcoming congress to override it via legislation and even a veto would be overridden. So TikTok is about to be 100% banned. Even VPN and IP Providers would probably ban access.

And I can probably see China potentially retaliate by banning Apple products from being sold or something similar, and ban manufacture of products for American companies. So this would extend towards Google as well.

Hate to say this but this is the game US congress should and president shouldn’t have played in, because communist party of China is all too ready for this.

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

If TikTok is banned, Google, Apple, and other app distributors will not be able to provide the app for download, nor offer updates to the app. Internet hosting services will also be blocked from supporting the app, giving U.S. users no way to download it. TikTok users will, however, be able to keep using the app so long as it functions.

Ahem... the internet is supposed to be upheld to have full protection under the first amendment.

 

[GMShadow]

I was all for banning TikTok, but then I watched a piece on Last Week Tonight and not everything is black and white.

I’m now in the camp of ”they are banning TikTok because YouTube, Facebook and other American based social media wants to cripple a competitor” camp. And now I kinda don’t want the ban because competition is good and screw YouTube and Facebook.

Have a look

Oliver's show shares a lot with TikTok - share a 'fact' and then follow it up with a 'joke' before the viewer has even had time to process the 'fact'. It's designed to subconsciously build mental associations that the positions of people Oliver disagrees with are to be laughed at or derided - all while not actually caring about the facts.

It's sort of like the joke of how a shark won't eat a lawyer out of professional courtesy.

 

[magicschoolbus]

Think of how many "content creators" will be forced back into the workforce if they cannot make tiktoks

 

[Chuckeee]

Ahem... the internet is supposed to be upheld to have full protection under the first amendment.

The critical element is “supposed to be”. Sadly, The current political trend definitely appears to be in the opposite direction.

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

The critical element is “supposed to be”. Sadly, The current political trend definitely appears to be in the opposite direction.

Especially since certain people want to trash Section 230.