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TikTok Still On Track for January Ban as Appeals Court Upholds Ruling
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If you want TikTok banned the you should want all social media banned, otherwise it’s pretty much economic protectionism under the guise of “think of the children”.
They were given 270 days, and an additional 90 days if sufficient progress was being made on divestiture. TikTok has apparently chosen to do nothing.
I'm 100% certain that the other social media apps—or even a new one!—will fill any gaps that TikTok leaves.
Nothing is black and white, but this is a pretty silly argument. Overwhelming bipartisan majorities in both house of Congress passed this bill, including hundreds of legislators who hate Big Tech.
There is no way for Trump to override the law via executive order. The only potential path for him to save TikTok (assuming he actually cares enough to try, which I don't think he does) would be to claim that TikTok has, in fact, executed a "qualified divestiture," and even that would be extremely dubious and likely overturned in court.
What? That in no way means that the internet is a free-for-all and the government can't regulate social media companies.
Free speech is not a right private corporations or citizens owe you, nor is privacy.
No, but freedom of speech is freedom from government coercion of speech. And the US Supreme Court has held that anonymous speech is protected under the first amendment and that the government can't force you to give up your identity. (Talley v. California, Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York, Inc. v. Village of Stratton, Buckley v. American Constitutional Law Foundation, Inc., and Griswold v. Connecticut (in passing).)
Websites can have whatever standards they want, the issue is when the state forces you to give up your privacy.
I don't use TikTok and wouldn't miss it if it were gone. However, I feel like this might be a slippery slope.
What if in the future the government decides there's too much speech opposing the party in power on some social network and decides to ban that as well?
We're entering dangerous territory if this ban is allowed to go into effect.
What if in the future the government decides there's too much speech opposing the party in power on some social network and decides to ban that as well?
We're entering dangerous territory if this ban is allowed to go into effect.
You have to see what the CCP does with Tik Toc to understand why this sale/ban is so important. I have personally seen postings that are quickly taken down showing the CCP using it to intimidate Chinese living abroad who have family still living in China. What you see is the family talking to their out of country relative, in the background you will an bouncer like official clearly in view. The threat to the out of country individual is clear. Do what we want, shut up, steal trade secrets, etc etc, or we will disappear your family. Tok Toc is used by China to track Chinese across the world. They do not make a distinction if they are citizens of other countries they are Chinese first. Moving it servers to the US is important.
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Op is including most, if not all, social media.
I’d personally go a step further than Australia and ban YouTube for <16, requiring accounts for access. I’m sick of the garbage clickbait content monetizing autoplay toddlers. It’ll never happen however, and I’m probably in the minority.
I need some clarification. If someone doesn't 'understand it' this means it should be banned? Or is not 'understanding it' just mean someone doesn't like it and we expect others to share our subjective POV? I mean, I don't understand why anyone else's 'understanding' of a game I like or a movie or a book matters if I like it...Unless one uses their imagination and thinks it's spying on us...and exactly what does it get? How many cat videos someone watches?
I guess every foreign country can stop buying or using services from any company in the US. This won't end well. And since when is everyone so scared of an app? Silliness.
Apple is already slowly moving out of China. Apple Watches are starting to be made in Vietnam, iPhones soon in India. Indonesia ?? Brazil?? Winnie The Poo has made the business climate in China toxic. The CCP can and has arrested foreign executives on espionage charges holding them hostage for trade secrets, company control, impounding of operating capital. Google is already banned in China. With so many large tech companies leaving or have left China does not have much leverage if Tic Toc is banned.
People may fear an app like TikTok because its massive audience gives it significant power to influence opinions. By curating and promoting videos that align with a specific narrative or agenda in users’ feeds, it becomes possible to subtly or overtly sway public sentiment. This kind of influence can shape perceptions on societal issues, politics, and even consumer behavior, often without the audience fully realizing it. Younger audiences, in particular, are more impressionable and susceptible to herd mentality, which makes this concern even more significant.
Tiktok is an ugly designed application that puts their dumb logo on every web video that happens to get thru their servers. This, combined with their IP shadowbans in case they EVER hear even a single part of copyrighted content in any of your videos is enough to forever ban it on the planet Earth and not just the US.
BRING BACK VINE. I want Vine. Please
BRING BACK VINE. I want Vine. Please
“…it would take years for new engineers to become familiar enough with it to perform routine maintenance.”
I’m not a master programmer, but I’m confident that with the right team, we could rewrite a comparable app to TikTok in under a year. While their curation algorithm might be more advanced, algorithms can evolve and mature over time. The claim that it would take years just to perform routine maintenance seems like an overstatement designed to discourage scrutiny and the sale.
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I’m not a master programmer, but I’m confident that with the right team, we could rewrite a comparable app to TikTok in under a year. While their curation algorithm might be more advanced, algorithms can evolve and mature over time. The claim that it would take years just to perform routine maintenance seems like an overstatement designed to discourage scrutiny and the sale.
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I disagree. I’m a parent, and I personally want the right to choose what is best for my kid, not the government. Would I let my kid be on TikTok… probably not, but that is my choice as a parent.
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I need more clarification… what are you talking about? OP said they don’t understand why anyone would install the app, in relation to their privacy policies. OP didn’t take a position regarding things they dislike, nor did I.
The facts are that the ban has had support from almost every arena of government and politics. The left, right, for big tech, against big tech, military, FBI, etc... Making PART of a story fit a narrative is unfortunately all too often the way that John Oliver creates his show these days. He used to do a much better job at showing multiple angles but now at most you get a "I understand this is a complicated topic with....blah blah blah" but gives the nuance and complication 1% of the show's time and 99% spent on spinning the sensational version of the narrative he thinks his audience will want to hear. I don't think he is intentionally trying to mislead, but I also think he knows full well that he is giving a specific narrative for viewership.
I don’t think it is beyond anyone’s imagination what the CCP is doing with this data…
porn is banned for anyone under the age of 18…Oh but then we can implement real id checks over the internet… cause that has no privacy concerns at all.
I’m ok with the ban.
What im not ok with is that they are accused of things already done by Meta but somehow, they are left untouched.
And the cynic in me is convinced that meta is behind thi$, since our government is indeed, the best one that money can buy, literally.
What im not ok with is that they are accused of things already done by Meta but somehow, they are left untouched.
And the cynic in me is convinced that meta is behind thi$, since our government is indeed, the best one that money can buy, literally.
That’s fine with me.
Either way, privacy is pretty much a figment of imagination at this point. If you’re concerned about sharing your age (and whatever information may be tied to it) then don’t visit the site.
I’m not worried about a data leak scandal from an affair website as a non-user.
Edit: Verify with Wallet is for apps, not websites. However, I could see Apple building a web version if ID verification becomes more prevalent.
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Copyright content scrutiny is what the CCP uses to ban everything they don't like. They will claim copyright on an image of a cheap defective Chinese EV burning up, which they do in China several times a day.
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Why is the government involved in my right to choose crack for my kids, let alone myself? Social media carries similar compulsive behavior, along with the hits of dopamine. Why can’t we have both?
So what’s stopping them from creating a web app and putting a shortcut on the Home Screen? You most likely won’t have the same API access I’m guessing but I don’t see what’s limiting here…