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I think the pandemic showed just what a tightly-run ship Apple is under Tim Cook's tenure. They were able to still manage to keep to their annual cadre of software updates, as well as release a slew of new products and services.

Ultimately, I will argue that having the most innovative products in the world won't count for anything if you can't manufacture enough of them to sell to consumers.

Steve Jobs was right for his era of Apple, just as Tim Cook is possibly the person best suited to running the Apple of today.

Covid showed apple works with its zero innovation culture with or with out a major crisis ... that’s a sign its just in throttle mode.

tesla on the other hand was fighting against covid and is all but in throttle mode.

cook is a great pretender and cash generator - but life is not cash - its have working products - almost all my apple products are faulty or defective after some years!

THATS COOK - THATS WHATS WRONG WITH THAT APPLE !!!
 
Covid showed apple works with its zero innovation culture with or with out a major crisis ... that’s a sign its just in throttle mode.

tesla on the other hand was fighting against covid and is all but in throttle mode.

cook is a great pretender and cash generator - but life is not cash - its have working products - almost all my apple products are faulty or defective after some years!

THATS COOK - THATS WHATS WRONG WITH THAT APPLE !!!

I am not sure how you can argue that Apple has zero innovation when they are practically moving mountains every year just to make the iphone and Apple Watch happen. Wearables is shaping up to be the next big thing, first with the Apple Watch, then the AirPods and (in the future) apple glasses.

I think the tech media by and large still underrates the impact wearables are having, and will have in the future. Or the insurmountable lead Apple has in this area. Instead, they go “ooh” and “aah” over duds like smart speakers and VR.

Or maybe they refuse to acknowledge this because praising Apple doesn’t make for riveting news.

Apple doesn’t strike me as a company in throttle mode.
 
I think 2020 was a great year for Apple. I just don’t think it’s easy to dethrone the iPhone intro in terms of innovative leap.
The intro of the M1 can, imo, tip the scales in favor of 2020.
Covid showed apple works with its zero innovation culture with or with out a major crisis ... that’s a sign its just in throttle mode.

tesla on the other hand was fighting against covid and is all but in throttle mode.

cook is a great pretender and cash generator - but life is not cash - its have working products - almost all my apple products are faulty or defective after some years!

THATS COOK - THATS WHATS WRONG WITH THAT APPLE !!!
The universe is not aligned with this (bad) opinion. $2T, record revenues, Cook getting huge bonus. The above can be repeated in different words, but the universe is giving you the old one-finger salute for repeating that (bad) opinion.
 
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The intro of the M1 can, imo, tip the scales in favor of 2020.

The universe is not aligned with this (bad) opinion. $2T, record revenues, Cook getting huge bonus. The above can be repeated in different words, but the universe is giving you the old one-finger salute for repeating that (bad) opinion.
An ARM chip in a computer that already existed before wouldn't tip the scales in favor of 2020.

The iPhone is Apple's biggest invention ever.
 
An ARM chip in a computer that already existed before wouldn't tip the scales in favor of 2020.

The iPhone is Apple's biggest invention ever.
By the same token, cell phones have been long invented by 2007. Music players were long invented by the time the iPod was released. So it depends on how one wants to slice and dice Mr. Cooks words.
 
I am not sure how you can argue that Apple has zero innovation when they are practically moving mountains every year just to make the iphone and Apple Watch happen. Wearables is shaping up to be the next big thing, first with the Apple Watch, then the AirPods and (in the future) apple glasses.

I think the tech media by and large still underrates the impact wearables are having, and will have in the future. Or the insurmountable lead Apple has in this area. Instead, they go “ooh” and “aah” over duds like smart speakers and VR.

Or maybe they refuse to acknowledge this because praising Apple doesn’t make for riveting news.

Apple doesn’t strike me as a company in throttle mode.
If you have to move mountains every year to do what you do namely produce iphones - that sounds inept to me!

apple watch sells but is crap imho - i have one - never use it - but love the ceramics

i cant care less what someone says - i say its in throttle

am hoping for apple glass - if it happens - i will be first to say - cool innovation happening here!
 
The intro of the M1 can, imo, tip the scales in favor of 2020.

The universe is not aligned with this (bad) opinion. $2T, record revenues, Cook getting huge bonus. The above can be repeated in different words, but the universe is giving you the old one-finger salute for repeating that (bad) opinion.
The universe says hello to you in form of ME. Money and greed is not success.
Cook earns his bonuses - he leads the company well for common expectations.

i have higher expectations of apple - what was really an innovative surprise is the magic keyboard for iPad - allthough it sucks too, because it has no escape key - and hence i cant close windows!

having a worth of 2T in a stock bubble is like saying i am rich swimming in a pool of money - both can float away if someone pulls the plug, haha
 
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What kind of Innovation? They put an iPad chip in the Mac, that is it.
It’s ok, we all know you won’t acknowledge the plethora of other Apple products for 2020, which shattered records in a pandemic and set new financial earnings in a down economy. I’ll give Tim Cook the credit that you won’t for both his leadership and success with innovation throughout Apples product segment.
 
If you have to move mountains every year to do what you do namely produce iphones - that sounds inept to me!
Sure, should be easy-peasy to produce 60 millions phones across hundreds of suppliers. By definition if Apple were inept the phones wouldn’t be manufactured.
apple watch sells but is crap imho - i have one - never use it - but love the ceramics
Ok, your opinion. That AW seems to fly off the shelf means that there are many that disagree.
i cant care less what someone says - i say its in throttle
I say they aren’t.
am hoping for apple glass - if it happens - i will be first to say - cool innovation happening here!
Why would AG be innovative above the others?
 
If you have to move mountains every year to do what you do namely produce iphones - that sounds inept to me!

apple watch sells but is crap imho - i have one - never use it - but love the ceramics

i cant care less what someone says - i say its in throttle

am hoping for apple glass - if it happens - i will be first to say - cool innovation happening here!

You can say whatever you want. Doesn’t mean it’s true, and doesn’t mean we all have to agree with you.

Watch and learn. As Apple grows from 1 billion active users to two billion (once we have apple watches and glasses), and continues its ascent all the way to the top.
 
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I don’t understand the many “but Apple is very financially successful!” posts in this bread. Yes, clearly, but what does that have to do with innovation?
 
I don’t understand the many “but Apple is very financially successful!” posts in this bread. Yes, clearly, but what does that have to do with innovation?

Why do you think people continue to buy Apple products?

There’s innovation, like folding phones and surface studios, which make for great tech demos and effusive YouTube reviews and online blog articles (but then don’t resonate with the mass consumer and not sell at all because surprise surprise, they are not very fantastic to use).

Then there’s meaningful innovation, like being able to pull up a song on my wrist and stream it to my AirPods. Is Apple Music lower quality or more expensive than Spotify? People like me literally don’t care. I don’t have to install an app, I can airplay it to almost anything in my house, I am at the point where I want things to be easy more than I want them to be cheap, and I am Apple’s target market in this regard.

This is what makes Apple uniquely Apple. They rarely beat competitors when it comes to a bullet list of features, but when it comes to 'look at your phone and all your **** is unlocked', they're unbeatable (well, baring the pandemic, which again, they are looking to work around with the ability to unlock your phone using your watch). Apple plays the system integration game better than anyone else, and if it costs a few bucks more, I'm happy to pay it.

Apple's ecosystem is designed around people that easily spend money. It's a common trope around here that Apple gear is overpriced (which I disagree with) but given that, and their financials which are unlike any other comparable company, you can only conclude that Apple buyers spend money - a lot of it.

That’s why I say Apple continues to be innovative in areas which matter and which resonate with the end user, as evidenced by their continued growth in sales (recently hit 1 billion active iphone users and an estimated 100 million apple watches).
 
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When I was still working (67 here) When Steve died, she was speculating Apple would die under its own weight. I, of course defended Apple like Sir Galahad.

But in the ensuing years, I have realized the utter lack of innovation from Apple. Oh boy, a watch that'll give you fellatio but the thought of a Dick Tracy "2-way wrist radio" come to life bores me. Gimme a Timex.

Finally, with the departure of Jony Ives, Apple has no visionary. I see Apple collapsing. I probably overemphasize Jony's influence but without a visionary, Apple is doomed.
 
When I was still working (67 here) When Steve died, she was speculating Apple would die under its own weight. I, of course defended Apple like Sir Galahad.

But in the ensuing years, I have realized the utter lack of innovation from Apple. Oh boy, a watch that'll give you fellatio but the thought of a Dick Tracy "2-way wrist radio" come to life bores me. Gimme a Timex.

Finally, with the departure of Jony Ives, Apple has no visionary. I see Apple collapsing. I probably overemphasize Jony's influence but without a visionary, Apple is doomed.
Wow. If apple is collapsing, I really would not like to see what success looks like.
 
It’s ok, we all know you won’t acknowledge the plethora of other Apple products for 2020, which shattered records in a pandemic and set new financial earnings in a down economy. I’ll give Tim Cook the credit that you won’t for both his leadership and success with innovation throughout Apples product segment.

So what exactly is Apple innovating under Tim Cook leadership? Their iPhones have consistently fallen behind Android phones and the only thing they can do is copy from Android phones.

Every time when I use my iPhone in public, I have to put in my code every time because Apple is too cheap to put an under the screen Touch ID like every other flagship smartphone has.

When Apple starts to add more features than Android smartphones has, that is the day I will start calling Apple innovative again.
 
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Sure, should be easy-peasy to produce 60 millions phones across hundreds of suppliers. By definition if Apple were inept the phones wouldn’t be manufactured.

Ok, your opinion. That AW seems to fly off the shelf means that there are many that disagree.

I say they aren’t.

Why would AG be innovative above the others?
To do something you are already doing is easy by definition - called Mastership (inept ... am not a native speakers ... but the dictonary threw it up)

lots of things fly of the shelves and are crap - if you doubt that - well ...

you can say what you want - therefore we are here :)

AG would be innovative because its something NEW - google made already a prototype if you want but it needs the kind of refinement only apple can add (unfortunately) - and if that really happens in a quality i would assume OK - that would be an innovation for me - it would be a new category of device i never had before.

i had a watch, i had earphones, i have a Mac, iphone, iPad - but i never had something similar to AG
even a foldable iphone - with a user interface that works - i would have credited Tim Cook at least some kudos
 
To do something you are already doing is easy by definition - called Mastership (inept ... am not a native speakers ... but the dictonary threw it up)

lots of things fly of the shelves and are crap - if you doubt that - well ...

you can say what you want - therefore we are here :)

AG would be innovative because its something NEW - google made already a prototype if you want but it needs the kind of refinement only apple can add (unfortunately) - and if that really happens in a quality i would assume OK - that would be an innovation for me - it would be a new category of device i never had before.

i had a watch, i had earphones, i have a Mac, iphone, iPad - but i never had something similar to AG
even a foldable iphone - with a user interface that works - i would have credited Tim Cook at least some kudos
While you are entitled to your opinion of Apple, it's not the majority opinion. (and your english is fine)

If you are suggesting that AW is crap and it's flying off the shelf because the consumers are idiots, for the very least I believe your value system needs to be looked at. You may not like the current AW for your own reasons, but there are millions who do like AW for their reasons.

And as far as the September release, Apple has been doing it this way since before Tim Cook, must have been Jobs was inept also.

Tim Cook got his kudos already based on the changes to Apple since 2011. The kudos came in the form of compensation and articles. While some don't agree, the reality is otherwise.
 
While you are entitled to your opinion of Apple, it's not the majority opinion. (and your english is fine)

If you are suggesting that AW is crap and it's flying off the shelf because the consumers are idiots, for the very least I believe your value system needs to be looked at. You may not like the current AW for your own reasons, but there are millions who do like AW for their reasons.

And as far as the September release, Apple has been doing it this way since before Tim Cook, must have been Jobs was inept also.

Tim Cook got his kudos already based on the changes to Apple since 2011. The kudos came in the form of compensation and articles. While some don't agree, the reality is otherwise.
You have a tendency to twist arguments.

I can’t care less about consumers, Apple or cook - I and some (many) others want innovation and nice products - only because Apple sells a lot of stuff it doesn’t mean it’s meaningful stuff.

a person let’s say he is American US - has a completely unhealthy live style which according to research almost 50 percent of Americans are - becomes health problems - wow what a surprise - what is easier?
A) changing to a healthy lifestyle
B) buy a Apple Watch and think you have done enough.

cook knows that and he positions Apple Watch as health device - oh wonder some fancy (colored pearl) bands and the things fly of the shelves.

now you might say BUT people are encouraged to drink, breath, get achievements

yeah - that will really help if you are that degenerated buying a watch and thinking you become a healthy person!

we in Europe are unhealthy too, but as always 20 years behind USA - wonder how watch sells here - haha
 
You have a tendency to twist arguments.

I can’t care less about consumers, Apple or cook - I and some (many) others want innovation and nice products - only because Apple sells a lot of stuff it doesn’t mean it’s meaningful stuff.

a person let’s say he is American US - has a completely unhealthy live style which according to research almost 50 percent of Americans are - becomes health problems - wow what a surprise - what is easier?
A) changing to a healthy lifestyle
B) buy a Apple Watch and think you have done enough.

cook knows that and he positions Apple Watch as health device - oh wonder some fancy (colored pearl) bands and the things fly of the shelves.

now you might say BUT people are encouraged to drink, breath, get achievements

yeah - that will really help if you are that degenerated buying a watch and thinking you become a healthy person!

we in Europe are unhealthy too, but as always 20 years behind USA - wonder how watch sells here - haha
As a European, your example is a false dilemma. Of course buying an Apple Watch won’t miraculously make your lifestyle healthier. Neither will subscribing to Fitness+. (Tim or Jeff haven’t even remotely claimed as much.)

However, adding sensors and UI to keep track of your vitals, gamifying physical activity, etc. are absolutely mechanisms that can work.
 
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You have a tendency to twist arguments.
There's a difference between twisting arguments and arguing the flip side. I'm arguing the flip side of your opinions, and I'm going to do more of that below.
I can’t care less about consumers, Apple or cook - I and some (many) others want innovation and nice products - only because Apple sells a lot of stuff it doesn’t mean it’s meaningful stuff.
Who decides if the products that Apple is producing is meaningful. It may be your opinion they aren't, and it may be tens of millions opinions that they are buying meaningful products from Apple.
a person let’s say he is American US - has a completely unhealthy live style which according to research almost 50 percent of Americans are - becomes health problems - wow what a surprise - what is easier?
A) changing to a healthy lifestyle
B) buy a Apple Watch and think you have done enough.

cook knows that and he positions Apple Watch as health device - oh wonder some fancy (colored pearl) bands and the things fly of the shelves.

now you might say BUT people are encouraged to drink, breath, get achievements

yeah - that will really help if you are that degenerated buying a watch and thinking you become a healthy person!

we in Europe are unhealthy too, but as always 20 years behind USA - wonder how watch sells here - haha
Where is Apple positioning Apple Watch as a device that will magically get an unhealthy person healthy? Smart watches have a convergence in functionality on being a smart watch, fitness tracker and now they have the ability to alert the users when health events occur. This is not only Apple Watch, it is an industry trend.

This type of functionality may not be what you are looking for, but something in the AW is resonating with consumers based on what some of the sales numbers are projected to be. You may want to ask yourself, what are people seeing in the Apple Watch that you are not.
 
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