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Brightest Scientists around the world? LOL. More like Scientists that have been funded by the government to come up with fake studies and numbers so that they can justify their agenda to us. This is really simple, what this all comes down to is simply money. It's an excuse for us to pay more taxes so that these elites can get richer. Don't fall for this Climate Change a.k.a. Global Warming scam. Unless you like getting your money taken away.

This whole Climate Change nonsense used to be called Global Warming, since it didn't have the affect on people as they wanted, they decided to changethe name to Climate Change. With the new name, it fits their narrative better. Because now, whether the temperature increases or decreases, it's still literally a "Climate Change" issue. But with the name Global Warming as they once labeled it. It can only be effective if the temperature increases, which gives it a lesser chance of people being deceived since its not as effective as changing the name to Climate Change.

It was "changed" to climate change because dimwits couldn't understand that a warming climate can mean some areas get colder. I hope you've learned something.
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OMG. Are you big CEOs really buying into the fake man-made climate hysteria BS? Really? You're either dumb as rocks, or you stand to make a **** load of money by forcing energy production into industries you control (pretty sure it's the latter).

The progressive left started this nonsensical drivel in the 60's, and the deception has grown broader and wider than ever expected, but it's all fake. One of the first arguments was that mankind was ushering in a global Ice Age. Fake! Didn't happen. Then it was changed to "warming" which didn't happen, so now the new catch phrase is "climate change." I wonder what the next fake phrase will be when "climate change" falls flat.

According to the idiots like Al Gore, Miami was supposed to be under water 20 years ago, and all of Florida turned into a swamp. Manhattan was supposed to be like Venice, and all the coastal regions around the globe flooded. Guess what?! It didn't happen, and it's not happening. I know a whole bunch of you Yahoos have only been alive for about 2 decades, but this BS has been going on for over 50 years. You are being lied to.

The Paris Accord is nothing more than the fleecing of America. Mankind has no ability whatsoever to cause or stop any sort of climate change. The climate is always changing, it has been for billions of years, and it will always be so, and there is not a damn thing we can do about it in any direction.

Does mankind pollute? Heck yes. Is it good? No. Who is the world's biggest polluter? CHINA. Go fight that battle over there.

It was "changed" to climate change because dimwits couldn't understand that a warming climate can mean some areas get colder. I hope you've learned something. Also, China pollutes less per capita than the US.
 
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I love how you clearly didn't even read my post.

I also love how you think there is more money in the educational institutions where these scientists work than in the fossil fuel industry, which is paying for all the denial crap.

Some people just don't want to listen to the truth.

Preach what you post brother. Exactly as you say... "some people (like yourself) just don't want to listen to the truth. Please take your own advice, and yes I did read your entire post. Just because I don't agree with it doesn't mean for you to come to a conclusion like that.

Where do you get your "truth" from?
 
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Paris Accord is outdated now. Carbon emissions are still rising every year, so countries need to start treating it like a real crisis.
 
Preach what you post brother. Exactly as you say... "some people (like yourself) just don't want to listen to the truth. Please take your own advice, and yes I did read your entire post. Just because I don't agree with it doesn't mean for you to come to a conclusion like that.

Where do you get your "truth" from?
I get my truth from peer-reviewed scientific literature.
 
OMG. Are you big CEOs really buying into the fake man-made climate hysteria BS? Really? You're either dumb as rocks, or you stand to make a **** load of money by forcing energy production into industries you control (pretty sure it's the latter).

The progressive left started this nonsensical drivel in the 60's, and the deception has grown broader and wider than ever expected, but it's all fake. One of the first arguments was that mankind was ushering in a global Ice Age. Fake! Didn't happen. Then it was changed to "warming" which didn't happen, so now the new catch phrase is "climate change." I wonder what the next fake phrase will be when "climate change" falls flat.

According to the idiots like Al Gore, Miami was supposed to be under water 20 years ago, and all of Florida turned into a swamp. Manhattan was supposed to be like Venice, and all the coastal regions around the globe flooded. Guess what?! It didn't happen, and it's not happening. I know a whole bunch of you Yahoos have only been alive for about 2 decades, but this BS has been going on for over 50 years. You are being lied to.

The Paris Accord is nothing more than the fleecing of America. Mankind has no ability whatsoever to cause or stop any sort of climate change. The climate is always changing, it has been for billions of years, and it will always be so, and there is not a damn thing we can do about it in any direction.

Does mankind pollute? Heck yes. Is it good? No. Who is the world's biggest polluter? CHINA. Go fight that battle over there.

Agreed, just like they started this Pro-Abortion crap as well. It's all part of Agenda 21 to depopulize the world. And for those of you who are dumb enough to believe that Red Cross isn't a part of this, then you seriously need some waking up to do. Donating thousands of dollars to this corrupt agency so that they can take away your hard earned money. Do you really think that money is going to do any good? Look into some of the key players who are for this "popopulation control" Agenda (21) such as Bill Gates, Al Gore. What are they all doing at a super secretive conference annually known as the Bilderberg? I'm sure it's not to discuss issues on what they can do to help the middle and lower class people of this world. Please, look it up and put the pieces together yourselves and you will see the bigger picture.
 
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Climate change is a big hoax, just like the Russian Collusion, the Impeachment, etc... Seriously when are people going to wake up. I see the propaganda machine which is the mainstream media has brainwashed a lot of people still. Do your brain a favor and stop watching that toxic stuff, not unless you like your brain being programmed to the point where you can't even think logically for yourselves. If you want to know the truth, take the time to do your own research.


The intro of that video really shows what living in a bubble looks like. To the point where me and everyone I know would find it offensive while the comments are all in favor. It’s like discovering an alien world.

I too encourage people to look beyond their own life and avoid brainwashing.
 
The only consensus is that the climate is changing and man probably has something to do with. There is NO consensus that there will be catastrophic repercussions. In fact just the opposite.
 
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I'm not sure how staying in the Paris Accords fixes climate change/global warming/whatever.

It's all just symbolism and virtue signaling.

Tim, call on China to fix their carbon issue. India as well.

My father (in his 70s) cannot see any reason for us Australians to abide by any limitations on carbon emissions, considering the fact that Australia, with a population of just over 20m, contributes only around 1% of global emissions. Us changing our habits is not going to change the world, he says, and yet it will come at a huge economic loss if we do try.

So yes, let's all just sit back and make the biggest contributors change their ways. Let's dictate to them how destructive their industries and power creation is to the environment and insist that they change, because after all, their massive populations are going to be the major factor in this fight on the environment.

Makes complete sense, right?

Why bother leading by example. That's for sissies.
 
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If the US hit a carbon neutral status, China and India gains would make it non effective in a few years.

"the U.S. as a whole stopped emitting all carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions immediately," and found that "the ultimate impact on projected global temperature rise would be a reduction, or a 'savings,' of approximately 0.08°C by the year 2050 and 0.17°C by the year 2100--amounts that are, for all intents and purposes, negligible." Under this wild scenario, not only do the rest of the world's new emissions completely replace ours in just 6.6 years, but China's growth alone replaces them in less than 11 years.

While this may be true under current predictions does that mean that the US shouldn’t try to hit carbon neutral? This is defeatist. To lead in a global sense like the US did in the past we can’t just give up because the other guy isnt holding himself responsible. One shouldn’t give up on doing the right thing just because someone else isn’t. A country should measure itself against what it stands for and lead as such.
 
That's not inserting himself into foreign affairs. That's Cook encouraging the US government to take climate change seriously as that long-term affects Apple.

Cook lobbying the government of China to take certain positions (privacy, climate change, human rights, etc) would be inserting himself into foreign affairs. Which is illegal.
Blah blah excuses for Tim's hypocrisy blah blah
 
What about Apple products being somewhat more renewable by users. You know, non glued RAMs and SSDs. It’s billions of devices built to go to the “trash can” in shiny ways as soon as possible. All are at it, yet Apple should be a role model and reverse the trend that started with a technical necessity, suspiciously so today.

Anyway, I do genuinely share their overall concerns because when climate change hits the fan forget about economic growth, the talk will be about survival.

Well you, my friend, will be dead and buried for about 500,000 years by that time. There IS "climate change", but it's pace is not as drastic as all these money-hungry clowns tell you it is. The planet will not collapse in 12 years, or 20 years, or 50 years. The time-line on such is more like 500,000 years to a million years. So if "dooms-day theorists" want to actually be serious about the matter, they better organize in such that change can be affordable and attainable. The Green New Deal should not be crammed into a 10 year span, but instead be drawn out over the course of 50 to 100 years. That way, the change from coal/carbon energy to clean energy can be funded in a much more manageable way, without destroying economies in doing so.
 
How is that so? I didn't know snopes has a reputation as fake information. Do you have a list of respectable organizations or people that have called snopes as fake? Or is that just your opinion

He doesn't like actual facts since it disagrees with his world view, therefore a site like Snopes is 'fake news'.

He learned the ways of our lying president very well.
 
The comments here straight up denying the existence of climate change is honestly why I feel we deserve to die off as a species. It's peer reviewed, it's a fact, and the effects have been noted repeatedly around the world. I know actual facts don't matter to some of you, but think of it this way: Did the dinosaurs drop atomic bombs? Did they fly thousands of aircraft, send out rockets and drill for oil the way we do? No. I'm 100% positive that the scientists (who, you know, studied for years in school and specialize in these fields as their careers) who have done the research, testing etc are smarter then the idiots who dismiss their work with a quick "Fake news!" comment.

The Earth will start to thrive again once we're gone, it'll be just fine. We're essentially a flu and it's trying to fight us off like the infection we are to it. We're destroying and pillaging the planet over money, which we completely made up and gave value to as a species. Guess what? All of these opinions, our belongings and money aren't going to matter when everything falls apart, which I expect to begin ramping up within the next 30-50 years if nothing changes.
 
The comments here straight up denying the existence of climate change is honestly why I feel we deserve to die off as a species. It's peer reviewed, it's a fact, and the effects have been noted repeatedly around the world. I know actual facts don't matter to some of you, but think of it this way: Did the dinosaurs drop atomic bombs? Did they fly thousands of aircraft, send out rockets and drill for oil the way we do? No. I'm 100% positive that the scientists (who, you know, studied for years in school and specialize in these fields as their careers) who have done the research, testing etc are smarter then the idiots who dismiss their work with a quick "Fake news!" comment.

The Earth will start to thrive again once we're gone, it'll be just fine. We're essentially a flu and it's trying to fight us off like the infection we are to it. We're destroying and pillaging the planet over money, which we completely made up and gave value to as a species. Guess what? All of these opinions, our belongings and money aren't going to matter when everything falls apart, which I expect to begin ramping up within the next 30-50 years if nothing changes.

It's not "peer reviewed" or fact. The evidence showing the collusion between researchers to doctor results and manufacture a conclusion has already been exposed. That information is there for anyone willing to pay attention.

Well, since you have already accepted the inevitable conclusion of the "climate change" movement, which is the extermination of humans, then why all the fuss? Why all the effort to force people to conform to your world view, why all the efforts to destroy global economies and societies? If what you say is true, and we humans are a flu/virus, then just leave everyone alone, let everyone live their lives how they see fit, and in 30-50 years nature will take care of "the problem" and "the Earth will start to thrive once we're gone." This way you won't have to choose who to kill and who to preserve.

...What are you going to say in 30-50 years when nothing has changed and "climate change" hasn't happened?
 
It's not "peer reviewed" or fact. The evidence showing the collusion between researchers to doctor results and manufacture a conclusion has already been exposed. That information is there for anyone willing to pay attention.

Would love to see some credible links to that evidence of collusion of peer-reviewed research. Feel free to post a few.
 
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The extreme liberals that believe we are doomed in the next 10 -20 years because of climate change are just as dumb as the extreme conservatives that believe that because they proved those other dumb people wrong that they are somehow right. Climate change is an issue that will become a major issue in 50-100 years. The reason they renamed global warming to climate change is because the worlds heating affects weather patterns which could end up making a few random regions colder. The overall temperate of the planet has consistently increased but because a few random regions got colder you have those deniers show up that can’t put 1 and 1 together so I got renamed. Humans are obviously learning more and more and will never be 100% right about anything. They didn’t foresee that weather patterns would have a minor effect and I’m sure there are other things they won’t know until it happens. This all doesn’t change the fact the the planet as a whole is getting warmer which will have consequences.
 
My father (in his 70s) cannot see any reason for us Australians to abide by any limitations on carbon emissions, considering the fact that Australia, with a population of just over 20m, contributes only around 1% of global emissions. Us changing our habits is not going to change the world, he says, and yet it will come at a huge economic loss if we do try.

So yes, let's all just sit back and make the biggest contributors change their ways. Let's dictate to them how destructive their industries and power creation is to the environment and insist that they change, because after all, their massive populations are going to be the major factor in this fight on the environment.

Makes complete sense, right?

Why bother leading by example. That's for sissies.
Because most countries are headed by grownups and while you pat yourself on the back about your “example,” the Chinese will just laugh as their main adversary, you/the West, gets weaker financially while they don’t have to play by the rules.

Lead by example. Lol. This is geopolitics and not grade school soccer or cricket or whatever they do out there in Australia.
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I mean, literally if you deny that anthropogenic global warming is happening then you *are* a science denier. The science is clear and there is a scientific consensus. You ask why there is controversy about it still. The controversy you see is online and in the media, not in the scientific community. The very few scientists who dispute it are demonstrably linked to fossil fuel lobbyists and are disavowed by academic scientists. Even conservative meteorologists like Cliff Mass at UW do not deny anthropogenic global warming. There is a lot of money behind the denier movement, understandably so, and you are seeing the power of money at work to create a controversy where there really isn't one.

As for why 'climate change' is being used -- I don't know, scientists actually use "AGW" (anthropogenic global warming) most often in the scientific literature, but "climate change" was an effort to get people to understand that there would be wider effects than just "warming" (which sounds nice to some people). Sea level rise, changes in ocean circulation, changes in the jet stream and the polar vortex, etc., are all possible effects of average global temperatures rising. So climate change is a more catch-all term that was an effort to get people to understand the issue better. Predictably, the response has been dumb as a box of rocks.
There is a consensus re: the degree to which man is warming the earth?

There is a consensus re: the kind and extent of damage OR benefit such warming might entail?

There is a consensus as to how to fix the problem, if it is a problem or if there is a fix at all?

you’re telling me there’s a scientific consensus to all of these questions?

I’m a “science denier” because I don’t think there’s a consensus to any of those questions?

what are you even talking about?
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The extreme liberals that believe we are doomed in the next 10 -20 years because of climate change are just as dumb as the extreme conservatives that believe that because they proved those other dumb people wrong that they are somehow right. Climate change is an issue that will become a major issue in 50-100 years. The reason they renamed global warming to climate change is because the worlds heating affects weather patterns which could end up making a few random regions colder. The overall temperate of the planet has consistently increased but because a few random regions got colder you have those deniers show up that can’t put 1 and 1 together so I got renamed. Humans are obviously learning more and more and will never be 100% right about anything. They didn’t foresee that weather patterns would have a minor effect and I’m sure there are other things they won’t know until it happens. This all doesn’t change the fact the the planet as a whole is getting warmer which will have consequences.
Deniers. Just like “holocaust deniers.”

Do you people even see the language tricks and propaganda?
 
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The extreme liberals that believe we are doomed in the next 10 -20 years because of climate change are just as dumb as the extreme conservatives that believe that because they proved those other dumb people wrong that they are somehow right. Climate change is an issue that will become a major issue in 50-100 years. The reason they renamed global warming to climate change is because the worlds heating affects weather patterns which could end up making a few random regions colder. The overall temperate of the planet has consistently increased but because a few random regions got colder you have those deniers show up that can’t put 1 and 1 together so I got renamed. Humans are obviously learning more and more and will never be 100% right about anything. They didn’t foresee that weather patterns would have a minor effect and I’m sure there are other things they won’t know until it happens. This all doesn’t change the fact the the planet as a whole is getting warmer which will have consequences.
But what about when it was getting cooler... you know, for almost 4 decades? Couldn't I just have said, "this doesn't change the fact that the planet as a whole is getting cooler which will have consequences." Oh wait, people were saying that and painting a very cold and gloomy picture.

It's also funny that you chastise people for for thinking they are right, then in the next sentence declare with certainty, "Climate change is an issue that will become a major issue in 50-100 years."
 
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But what about when it was getting cooler... you know, for almost 4 decades? Couldn't I just have said, "this doesn't change the fact that the planet as a whole is getting cooler which will have consequences." Oh wait, people were saying that and painting a very cold and gloomy picture.

It's also funny that you chastise people for for thinking they are right, then in the next sentence declare with certainty, "Climate change is an issue that will become a major issue in 50-100 years."
Yes, 50 years ago the scientific consensus was the Earth was getting colder.

I wonder what those people said to those who disagreed with them?
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A climate change agreement that places no emission rules on the largest polluting countries (India and China) while placing burdensome regulations on countries like US to ruin its economy. Fail. Glad Trump pulled out of this scam.
You’re exactly right. It is a scam. I’m willing to start listening to NON HYSTERIC climate change arguments, but until then, it’s just noise.
 
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But what about when it was getting cooler... you know, for almost 4 decades? Couldn't I just have said, "this doesn't change the fact that the planet as a whole is getting cooler which will have consequences." Oh wait, people were saying that and painting a very cold and gloomy picture.

It's also funny that you chastise people for for thinking they are right, then in the next sentence declare with certainty, "Climate change is an issue that will become a major issue in 50-100 years."
You quoting a few ignorant people from the past and acting like it was most people doesn’t make your current ignorance right. That’s what I said in my past post and you bringing up the “global cooling” bs only proved my point. Doing little research I learned it was a short lived thing based off of nothing.
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Deniers. Just like “holocaust deniers.”

Do you people even see the language tricks and propaganda?
Lmao. The word deny could be used in a trillion different scenarios. To even tie it to that and then insinuate a connection is laughable.
 
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When is it going to hit the fan? Like it was supposed to in the early 1900s? Like it was supposed to in the mid-late 1900s? Like it was supposed to early 2000s? Like it was supposed to early this decade? Tell me, what is your weather prediction 2 weeks from now? Just yesterday in my area, the forecast high temp from just the day before was off by 15 degrees F!
People living in low lying countries like Bangladesh and the Netherlands are already feeling the effects of climate change. This is a global issue .
 
People living in low lying countries like Bangladesh and the Netherlands are already feeling the effects of climate change. This is a global issue .
Not to mention anywhere around the Arctic Circle. Go ask the Inuit/Eskimos if climate change is real, I think they might have a few words for you.
 
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