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Tim Cook: Apple Won't Create 'Backdoor' to Help FBI Access San Bernardino Shooter's iPhone
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You put the safety of the United States and all it's people within in, below iPhone Privacy?
So if the US was about the be obliterated due to nuclear disarming codes held on a locked iphone, you would stand firm beside Tim, that iPhone privacy was still paramount despite the destruction of the entire USA and it's people?
Plunging you into nuclear devastation for generations to come.
But this is not about proving who committed the crime in San Bernadino. They already know who did it.
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Sorry, but do you maybe have an even more unrealistic scenario you could come up with? "nuclear disarming codes held on a locked iphone", come on...
Sometimes it is hard to believe how scared some people are..
What an idiotic scenario. What idiotic government moron put the codes on an iPhone.
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Government would have to become very onerous indeed. It will take a year to even get the the Supreme Court.
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Apple does not have to be based in US to sell in US. 47 companies have relocated home base overseas in last 10 years. Called inversion, mostly done to reduce taxes, but certainly could be done for other reasons. Fruit of the loom, Seagate, tyco, Medtronic, Pfizer. It's not so far fetched.
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Thank you for both proving my point.
We have a whole army of people here saying Apple is right, it should NEVER allow access to the private data within an iPhone, no matter what.
So there you are there ARE times when almost everyone would say yes, Apple must reveal secret data to help the authorities.
It all depends at what level and who it affects before you change your mind on this point.
Hence why I think it's silly all these people say no never, as it's just "play talk" in this scenario.
"My wife and child are going to be murdered, and if only we could get into the persons iPhone we would be able to find their location and save their lives"
But no, Tim is right, I stand by the man, my family must die.
Yeah right......
People are simply idiots or blind to the current world if they agree with the us government with this (and it doesn't effect just US citizens, it effects every single IOS device user world wide).
FACT - governments are corrupt as **** , they will use this back door no matter what you are accused of. People keep mentioning terrorists because that is how they are trying to spin it, it will only effect terrorist, in reality they will be able to access people's data no matter what the case, and judging from the Snowden leaks, they are certainly sly enough to collect the data of the innocent as well.
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FACT - governments are corrupt as **** , they will use this back door no matter what you are accused of. People keep mentioning terrorists because that is how they are trying to spin it, it will only effect terrorist, in reality they will be able to access people's data no matter what the case, and judging from the Snowden leaks, they are certainly sly enough to collect the data of the innocent as well.
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I am sure that you do NOT understand the ramifications. This is NOT about one iPhone. Since when in history did we start using power, rather than abusing it? The FBI will keep knocking Apple's doors each time they want access to an iPhone, and eventually some people will finally "trump" up a demand to get a general key. Even if not, they will keep coming to Apple for access to iPhones and that is not something anyone would really want - because the government of the United States is famous for SNOOPING, not just on its own citizens, but they have tried to get a handle on the entire world, so LaForge I am sure you do NOT understand that what is masked as one time request is not ever going to be just asking for permission for "this one time".
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Surely, the almighty FBI would stand fooled by the person with an iPhone. All their manpower and technology would stand wasted and outdated against the location of your family on an iPhone, right?
The extremists really did win after 9/11. They excelled in their goals.
Destroy freedom and liberty, turn the people and their government against each other.
I know it might be offensive to say, but holy f*** Americans, how colossally stupid are you collectively? Your political system and the way you vote is insane, your obsession with guns and extreme partisan politics while ignoring the real issues, it's staggering. You're throwing everything that you've worked for away.
How far has America fallen. Ask a German how valuable privacy and liberty are, giving it up is the first step towards a fascist society.
(Britain has never been free, someone just got sent to prison for posting something mean about refugees, but the US was always meant to be a truly free country).
Edit: just wanted to add, you've become such a paranoid country. Obsessed with this vague 'terrorist' bs, obsessed with your guns despite massive violence, massive government surveillance etc.. It's troubling. Like you've lost your way now that you don't have the Soviet Union to keep you busy and in check.
For me there is little to no threat from terrorism, it's just a convenient way for our governments to control us through fear and do extremely corrosive things like mass surveillance which is totally against what we stand for. This isn't China, this isn't Nazi Germany, this isn't the Soviet Union, wake up.
Destroy freedom and liberty, turn the people and their government against each other.
I know it might be offensive to say, but holy f*** Americans, how colossally stupid are you collectively? Your political system and the way you vote is insane, your obsession with guns and extreme partisan politics while ignoring the real issues, it's staggering. You're throwing everything that you've worked for away.
How far has America fallen. Ask a German how valuable privacy and liberty are, giving it up is the first step towards a fascist society.
(Britain has never been free, someone just got sent to prison for posting something mean about refugees, but the US was always meant to be a truly free country).
Edit: just wanted to add, you've become such a paranoid country. Obsessed with this vague 'terrorist' bs, obsessed with your guns despite massive violence, massive government surveillance etc.. It's troubling. Like you've lost your way now that you don't have the Soviet Union to keep you busy and in check.
For me there is little to no threat from terrorism, it's just a convenient way for our governments to control us through fear and do extremely corrosive things like mass surveillance which is totally against what we stand for. This isn't China, this isn't Nazi Germany, this isn't the Soviet Union, wake up.
Silly question, and may have been asked- but here goes.
What happens "if" Apples defies a court order, and says no? Does someone go to jail for contempt?
How far can Apple take this by telling the Gov't to go pound sand, and is that actually probable?
What happens "if" Apples defies a court order, and says no? Does someone go to jail for contempt?
How far can Apple take this by telling the Gov't to go pound sand, and is that actually probable?
As i see it the FBI is just using this item with this one Apple iPhone, to obtain the rights to crack into all phones. They say this is a matter of national security, but i feel everyone knows anything found on this phone is so old, even if a terrorist phone number was on it, the person by now has retired or died.
Come on FBI own up to the real ression you'r making a federal case about forcing Apple to make software to hack this one phone. And quit saying we will only use it on the ONE iPhone nobody trusts you no matter what you say.
Come on FBI own up to the real ression you'r making a federal case about forcing Apple to make software to hack this one phone. And quit saying we will only use it on the ONE iPhone nobody trusts you no matter what you say.
I'll state my opinion again..... the government created this mess because they don't protect our privacy (hackers getting into their systems). Congress needs to find a good law to enact that protects all of us while ensuring our security. I hope this case gets to SCOTUS to see how the constitution plays out.
Agree with everything you say here, never has the gap between what we say we believe as a society and what we actually do.
What any person does to get a message to another is, make up a phony facebook page or twitter account and send coded messages. Maybe someone might make a quick phone call to say they were then off, but not to discuss an attack they planned.
The FBI knows these facts they just want to push, their weight down on top of Apple and Tim Cook.
The FBI knows these facts they just want to push, their weight down on top of Apple and Tim Cook.
I don't think it's going to last that long. People need to think hard about this because if Tim goes and Williams takes over, what makes you think the next CEO will have the guts to make that continued stance? I think this is going to get very ugly because if, a big IF, the next POTUS is a Republican, Tim's going to have a big problem. For good reason.
People need to look at the big picture. It's not about if Apple or the FBI will be right, it's a matter of when one of them cracks. Fighting the government could be a very expensive venture if they want to take it to the Supreme Court.
But here's one problem with that. One of the Justices is dead now and Obama has to appoint a new replacement. And by then, it may take a year or two for the case to be heard. The SCOTUS does not take cases overnight. It would have to be done in another court, most likely in the state of California.
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That's extremely interesting. Does that change the actual language of what Apple is arguing about? or the FBI?
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SCOTUS? I don't think it'll happen soon until a new Justice appointed because one of them just died recently. And if they did go this high to the Supreme Court, this may take a long time for that to happen. After all, the court has a back load of cases to deal with.
I don't think Congress is going to have time to reform the law due to the Presidential campaign that's underway. They'll probably wait until a new President is sworn in and then propose a new bill. Democrats and Republicans usually tend to drag issues down until its resolved.
I suspect the NSA already have the tools to do it but not the FBI, to de-encrypt. And especially when Apple proclaims their phone is the most secure, I have a hard time believing it. There's a fine line in using this scenario as a way to increase sales and fighting for people's right to privacy. Other companies such as Silent Circle who makes the Black Phone are in the market for specialized phones that rely on privacy.
Take a look: https://www.silentcircle.com
If you look at the bottom of the page, government organizations are part of their consumer list which is interesting. Check out the " Our Story " part of the people behind Silent Circle. Look at their credentials.
And lastly, check this: https://www.silentcircle.com/legal-compliance/
Apple isn't the only company that has no back doors.
I may be digressing but Apple shouldn't be using their product as the only " victim " in this case and should increase awareness of other products that provide security and privacy. It's a very fine line in taking advantage of this case to promote your products in a subtle manner by drowning out other competitors' products, or genuinely fighting for privacy rights and sharing this stance with other companies that have products with no back doors.
So which one is it? I don't think the Fed is going to back down that easily. They're going to push very hard until Tim goes out the window. I'm saying he could technically lose his job if he makes a mis-step. Should he be taken off the hook for the ridiculous decisions he made with the products for the last few years just for this one legal situation he's fighting in?
I'm not saying the FBI is 'right' but there needs to be some kind of balance here. Something doesn't smell right.
Another thing I would like to throw out there is that if consumer know about the requested software bundle, why is apple making an exception for the FBI and won't do it for consumers? I feel like consumers would ridicule Apple if the package were to be created. By this I mean if a family member passes, and their family wants access to their iDevice to get pictures, etc. and that consumer knows such a tool exists, the would be outraged.
Does anyone reading this thread really feel our government, is really keeping anyone safe today?
Does anyone reading this thread really feel our government, being able to just invade anyones phone will make everyone safer?
Does anyone reading this thread really feel our government, being able to just invade anyones phone will make everyone safer?
One of the major reasons I moved from Android to iOS was the security and privacy promised by Apple. I absolutely support Tim Cook's position and I hope he maintains it all the way to the Supreme Court. I know it's tough when law enforcement is basically saying Apple is supporting terrorism but it's not just a slippery slope, it's falling off the edge of a cliff if Apple loses.
Same stance government takes in not negotiating with terrorists. Let the hostage die, we won't negotiate. No one has changed or proven your point, well in your own mind, maybe. Creating a ridiculous straw man is not proving others wrong. Here is a situation where all mankind is saved, just as valid as your scenario.
Aliens have attacked the earth, and the only thing that stopped them from destroying all mankind was they saw the moral stance we took against unreasonable search and seizure. Lucky for us Apple decided not to cave in to FBI.
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Steve Jobs would NOT be turning in his grave at Tim Cook's bravery and courage for standing up for privacy.
No, it's the story they tell, to gain further inroads into doing what even Hitler and Stalin could not manage to do. Goal is to know more about everyone than ever before. But trust the government, what could go wrong, it's not like history is full of governments that preyed on it's people. Oh wait, there are those few thousand cases.
We would have saved more lives by taking the homeland security money and started to rebuild our infrastucture or provided health care for everyone. And the money spent on the destabilizing Iraq, that endless war would have funded education, prevents thousands of military deaths and wounded. And Isis would not be the thread we helped make it.
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What doesn't smell right is the notion that you can give up your rights a little at a time because in this case or that the government says you should.
Careful on that. This is via a writ which compels Apple's assistance. The scary aspect is the request in the writ is expanding the powers of said writ - asking the recipient to build something. This as far I could find has never been done before in the 200+ years of its' existence. The FBI is literally asking the courts to force Apple to become a "hacker".
That is concerning.
I feel it's what the FBI really want's from Apple,build us something so we can hack into anyones iPhone. Apple be our hacker.