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If Ireland does not even want that cheque, it's not clear how EU should apply a different taxation retroactively. There's no chance in hell, no one, that this will stand.

If a european country in problem wants financial help from the rest of Europe, the EU asks it to collect its taxes first before they get the full help payed out. Happened in Greece when they asked for assistance, they had to collect taxes first, close loop holes and stop wasting money. Happened in Portugal. Will happen in Ireland as they also financial assistance a few years ago.

There is another point that makes me sure this will stand. The corporate taxes in Europe are all in line making it impossible for a state to lure big name companies away from other states. This is exactly what happened when Ireland tried to get all those companies relocate from Britain and Europe with those special tax deals.
 
Tim Cook, bring all your companies money back home then. Keeping most of Apple $230 billion warchest overseas is avoiding the 35% tax it would incur in the US. Apple needs to shut up and clean house.
 
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But this is an EU matter.
No it's not just an EU matter. Since the EU is trying to force Ireland to collect taxes on income that Apple has essentially allocated to it's main U.S. corporation. Whatever Ireland collects comes right out of Apple's U.S. tax liability.
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This. Even the fanboys can’t come up with an answer for this one.
Except as Cook said, this number is made up for political shock value.
 
To some people, it doesn't matter. They just like to say "throw 'em in jail!" There's no rational thought process here. Many are adrenaline junkies that are addicted to getting pumped and angry. Stop trying to reason with them-- it just feeds their habits.
On the other side we have the fanboys. Even if he had kill a person, there will be a way to spin it, and some will say that such person wanted to die and it was not Tim's fault.

Me personally, I don't think we need to throw him in jail. That's absurd. But if you take the time to read the allegations, it is obvious that Apple did the wrong thing. Not Tim... Apple.
 
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No it's not just an EU matter. Since the EU is trying to force Ireland to collect taxes on income that Apple has essentially allocated to it's main U.S. corporation. Whatever Ireland collects comes right out of Apple's U.S. tax liability.
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Except as Cook said, this number is made up for political shock value.

I mean the EU is judicating and controlling the process, US will be impacted.
 
A rich multinational that used excessively unethical means to get there. Using excuses to offshore jobs, driving down wages (which even impacts you adversely somewhere in the chain) and expecting the unemployed to buy their latest overpriced poorly made product (I've discussed those issues in the technical forums, I'm not straying from the net point here - not today). Overlooking the factories they use with forced happiness parades because of worker suicides that prove the company corporate culture is vile, is that what you people are defending now??

you people ..... patronising much ?

Typical see everything as either black or white ........ What you mention is nothing to do with how much tax the Irish Revenue Commissioners collected from Apple Ireland. But let's make our own agenda out of it and label everybody ....
 
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"Ultimately, Cook has "faith in humanity" and "faith in what is just and right will occur,"

"Apple’s billions in back taxes could cover the entire annual Irish health budget,
build about 100,000 homes for the poor or pay off a chunk of the nation’s debt."
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-ireland-doesn-t-want-133731091.html

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On the other side we have the fanboys. Even if he had kill a person, there will be a way to spin it, and some will say that such person wanted to die and it was not Tim's fault.

Me personally, I don't think we need to throw him in jail. That's absurd. But if you take the time to read the allegations, it is obvious that Apple did the wrong thing. Not Tim... Apple.

Tim needs to go to jail....for neglecting the computer products ;) and introducing so many ******* watch bands...
 
Little harsher .... the NI accent is like the rough end of a cheese grater compared to a cork accent ;)

Ahhahaa, yes, the NI accent sounds like a chorus of angle-grinders compared to a Cork accent. My long time housemate was from Limerick and boy, what a voice. He could seduce most women just by reading out the dictionary.
 
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Actually it works like this. Apple Ireland had small revenue profits but it paid the required taxes the revenue commissioners demanded on it's Irish subsidiary profits. The money collected from all the rest of the world was collected / routed by Apple California and therefore would not have had to pay tax in Ireland as the money was not earned in Ireland.

The 0.005% is if you assumed the money collected globally should have been paid tax in Ireland, which is mostly false economics, then the percentage they actually paid is 0.005%.

The money they earned globally should have been collected by revenue bodies inside each of the countries they earned profit from and not from Ireland regardless, or at least paid by Apple California in America - not Ireland.

There is no chance Ireland could or should have ever collected money from Apple for revenue earned in other parts of the world / eu or America, only the profits and earnings in Ireland which they did.

Apple paid tax on their irish profits and has paid all the government taxes and duties on their 5,000 employee's in Ireland.

If anything the billions of unpaid taxes should be re-patriated back to America as it was Apple California.

The EU ruling is about control and making an example, it's not about being 'right' ......

Hence their sly underhand way of trying to get the Irish government to accept the ruling by telling them they can spend the money how they like, when they know full well there is little chance Ireland will 'ever' see this money regardless. This is about EU power via multi-national embarrassment.

You are absolutely correct. Ireland is providing a tax shelter to Apple. It may or may not be a favor to Apple in exchange for Apple putting manufacturing plants there, which may explain why Ireland is reluctant to piss off Apple. In any case, any money being sheltered there is, ethically, neither Ireland's nor the EU's; it is the result of business in a variety of jurisdictions. If it turns out that this tax shelter was unethical for some reason, then ethically the taxes due should be repatriated to the correct jurisdictions; which, one would suppose, would be mostly the USA. There are a whole lot of questions as to whether requiring this would be legal or ethical, given it is ex post facto. But there is no ethical basis for the EU grabbing this money, and the legal justifications are sketchy.
 
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I honestly doubt an appeal will benefit Apple, it sounds like the powers in charge have made their decision.

The 'powers that be' are unelected technocrats. Nothing but Gombeen's.
The Competition Commission has lost more appeals in the European Court of Justice over the last 20 years than any other Commission in Europe. The money that Ireland was 'supposed' to tax is American money. Absolutely nothing to do with Ireland.
 
A rich multinational that used excessively unethical means to get there.

What exactly was "excessively" unethical? You mean like someone living in PA driving to DE to avoid sales tax? Not sure that would qualify as "extreme" or "excessive." When you shop online, do you look for sites that don't charge sales tax or that have free shipping? Isn't picking a place that is most tax advantageous just being fiscally responsible?


Using excuses to offshore jobs

Excuses like it is more cost effective? If we want our jobs to stay here, lets make sure our quality and quantity matches the salary we feel entitled to. Key phrase being "feel entitled to" vs. actually entitled to.


expecting the unemployed to buy their latest overpriced poorly made product.

This is new to me. I've never seen them market to the unemployed or force them into lines at the Apple Store. Link?


Overlooking the factories they use with forced happiness parades because of worker suicides that prove the company corporate culture is vile

Apple provides quarterly reports on oversight, private and independent investigation, and forced remediation. Have you read one?
 
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What I don't like is how Cook is taking us for fools, with some of the comments he makes.

He keeps repeating that Apple paid 400m in tax, is the largest taxpayer in ireland, usa and the world etc. That is IRRELEVANT!

With all tax matters, interpretation is key. The EU or any government have the full right to challenge the assumptions that a company has made when preparing their tax returns.

Apple is clearly playing fast and loose -What they are doing is reducing their huge profits by jacking up their expenses (mostly via arbitrary payments for licences/royalties)
 
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Or that's why companies say there are too many regulations and laws.

No laws = no lawbreaking. Simple.

Of course, that doesn't always work the way you want it, and yes I mean you as in you no less than the word as a general descriptor of the general public.


Really? Why don't you tell me more details about what I want. You must be quite bright to be able to infer so much from a three line post. Here-- I'll give you some help; you can even ask me two more questions (no help from the peanut gallery please-- this is between me and this particular genius).
 
Will happen in Ireland as they also financial assistance a few years ago.

From experience in my industry, this is happening. Ireland is a hotbed of political / banking activity right now. After 2008 crisis, and leading up into EU Austerity, Etc, their loose tax laws, easy banking regulations, little oversight was left to run too rampant. After scandal of their regulators, a flip flop on foreign banking.

They've recently (i think last year?) had a new regulator step into the banking industry in Ireland and force them to clean up. Ireland had hundreds of credit unions with lax controls. In the last year, almost none passed regulatory inspection. This has forced the Regulator to force the larger banks and credit unions to amalgamate the smaller ones, upgrade all systems and back ends, and start following regulation and close down the tax loopholes.

within a year or two, Ireland will no longer be seen as that "tax haven" that Apple took it for once they start implementing stronger regulations (many are going to be modelling it after Canadian Credit unions)
 
But if you take the time to read the allegations, it is obvious that Apple did the wrong thing. Not Tim... Apple.
That's often the conclusion when you only read the prosecution's case. :)

At one point it was that low, but I think overall it's 1-2.5%. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Apple pays the standard Irish tax rate of 12.5% on the income that it allocates to it's Irish corporation. These shockingly low rates are made up effective rates based on the ridiculous assumption that none of the revenue from sales in Europe should be allocated to the main Apple Inc in the U.S.
 
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Sounds like even Tim is starting to see how greedy the European Union is. He's a smart guy! Can't disagree with him, because I know how bad the EU is for the countries that are in it. The EU does everything to take the money away from hard working people, so they can waste it to bankrupt countries like Greece and other useless things.

So glad Great Britain has decided to leave the EU. Other countries should follow as soon as possible, before it gets even worse. The EU wants to create one big superstate of Europa, kinda like the United States is but with countries instead of states. I mean, that would be like the dumbest move ever.

Anyway, good to know that Tim says this. At least he is smarter than those who think the EU actually is good for us.
 
Ultimately, Cook has "faith in humanity" and "faith in what is just and right will occur,"

Sort of like your suppliers are just and right to their employees in China?
What company do you work for? Does your CEO manage and take care of other companies that supply anything you guys use? Since when is it a companies job to police every other company that they may get products from to do their business? I suppose they need to police Samsung too since they mfg the displays and CPU's for them. And TSMC.

0.005 % tax Tim. Legal or not, how can you even defend this?

I guess the people are just shocked about the 0.005 % tax. This is not fair. No matter what phone I bought or how much I like my MacBook. This is just not fair.

Or would you applaud child labour if it would decrease Apples work cost footprint?
Did you read the article? They paid the Ireland rate of 12.5% not .005% And if 12.5% is the rate Ireland says is required then there is no defense needed.
 
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