Tim Cook Calls Apple's Tax Avoidance Accusations 'Total Political Crap'

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    60 Minutes has shared a preview of Tim Cook's latest interview with journalist Charlie Rose, in which the Apple CEO emphatically counters the idea that Apple has created elaborate schemes to pay little or no U.S. corporate taxes on its overseas revenue.
    JUST IN: Apple CEO tells "60 Minutes" that the notion of the tech giant avoiding taxes is "total political crap".
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    Cook described the tax avoidance accusations as "total political crap," and deflected blame on the U.S. tax code for being far outdated. He added that repatriating the money in the U.S. is not "a reasonable thing to do" due to high corporate tax rates.
    Apple's tax policies have been closely investigated over the past few years in Europe. Earlier this year, for example, Italian regulators accused Apple of booking profits generated in the country through an Irish subsidiary in an effort to lower its taxable income base and save nearly 900 million euros from 2008 through 2013. The investigation was completed in March 2015.

    The European Commission began an investigation of Apple's tax policies in June 2014, and the Brussels-based executive body formally accused the company of receiving illegal state aid from Ireland in September 2014. The commission has since requested more information from Apple, likely delaying a decision in the tax probe until at least after the Irish elections in early 2016.


    Apple is said to utilize multiple foreign subsidiaries in Ireland to move around overseas money, which Cook says accounts for two-thirds of Apple's revenue, without being subject to high corporate tax rates in the U.S. and elsewhere. Apple has consistently denied any wrongdoing, and Ireland vows to take the European Commission to court over any negative ruling.

    Cook's wide-ranging interview will also touch upon encryption technology and manufacturing products in China. In the same episode, Rose will also offer a rare inside look at Jony Ive's "secret design studio" at Apple's headquarters in Cupertino, California. 60 Minutes airs on CBS this Sunday, December 20 at 7:30 p.m. Eastern Time and 7 p.m. Pacific Time.

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  2. furi0usbee macrumors 68000


    Jul 11, 2008
  3. Doctor Q Administrator

    Doctor Q

    Staff Member

    Sep 19, 2002
    Los Angeles
    -> Cook described the tax avoidance accusations as total political crap.

    -> He added that repatriating the money is not reasonable due to high corporate tax rates.

    Those claims contradict each other. Apple is either avoiding tax or it isn't!
  4. Dmunjal macrumors 65816

    Jun 20, 2010
    And totally legal. Unfortunately, this is a problem created by Congress (both parties), not Apple.
  5. AliMacs macrumors 6502

    Oct 8, 2014
    I'm going to have to side with Apple, Inc. on this one. Why let America TAX apple for all their revenues? Screw that. All those billions will just fill up those snake politician wallets. America cannot even understand how to budget anything financially. Trillions in debt and it just gets worse. Why let the USA have all that cash money. It's like throwing money in the lake.
  6. blacktape242 macrumors 65816


    Dec 17, 2010
    Sacramento, CA
  7. topgunn macrumors 65816


    Nov 5, 2004
    That's like saying I am avoiding taxes by not dying. As long as Apple leaves their earnings overseas, they don't owe the government anything on those earnings. Not bringing those earnings into the US economy is not tax avoidance.
  8. VulchR, Dec 18, 2015
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2015

    VulchR macrumors 68020


    Jun 8, 2009
    It's also a problem created by the EU and Ireland. No matter how Cook wants to spin this, the simple fact is that Apple has a tax haven in Ireland where supposedly its research is performed. Yet, for some reason, features and updates are always introduced in the US first, and the countries of the EU have to wait.

    I like Apple in most regards, but in this regard Tim Cook is really trying it on. Is Apple tax haven legal? Yes. Is it immoral? Yes.
  9. ctdonath macrumors 65816


    Mar 11, 2009
    If you take any deductions on your tax return, you've no grounds for complaining about Apple doing so.
  10. Hellhammer Moderator


    Staff Member

    Dec 10, 2008
    Apple is a company, which purpose is to generate profit for its shareholders. Thus Apple's, and Cook's, job is to minimize taxes within the law, which is what they are doing with complex schemes.
  11. tgwaste macrumors 6502a


    Sep 18, 2013
    No they don't. Don't be clueless.

    The second statement refers to bringing the money they have over seas into the United States. They don't HAVE to do that. They are free to keep their money overseas right where it is. There is no Evasion going on here.

    His problem with that is that it would cost him 40% of that money to bring it into the US because are tax system is such a total mess that we make companies pay taxes to bring money they made in other places into the country.

    It should be FREE to do that. That money only benefits the country by being here instead of there.

    The first comment regarding the tax avoidance issues are other matters and have nothing to do with the money they have in banks overseas.
  12. JPLC macrumors 6502

    Dec 20, 2011
    It's okay to use legal TAX constructions but a company this big could invest more in the world. Not talking about Red products. Just building the future for a better world. Will never happen with stock holders holding the cards..
  13. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6


    Aug 17, 2007
    Agreed. While Apple may be avoiding some taxes, as long as the aren't breaking any laws I have no problem with what they are doing.
  14. yadmonkey macrumors 65816


    Aug 13, 2002
    Western Spiral
    Amazing how many feel entitled to the labors of others. I dare any of you to earn a fortune and then hand over 40% to the Fed when there are tax loopholes that will help you avoid it. It's unreasonable and you'd be daft not to exploit those loopholes. Any of you would do the same.
  15. nebo1ss macrumors 68030

    Jun 2, 2010
    Lets not forget there are two different Tax issues with Apple.

    The one discussed here is avoiding US corporate Tax by not bring profits back to the US.

    There is also a much bigger issue of booking income generated in Multiple European companies like UK, France, etc in Ireland. Does he also think this is Bull Crap.
  16. tgwaste macrumors 6502a


    Sep 18, 2013
    Exactly. It would be irresponsible and even treacherous to shareholders for Apple to willingly _overpay_ taxes.
  17. CalWizrd Suspended


    Jun 21, 2011
    NYC/Raleigh, NC

    Screwing your brother's wife is immoral.
    Stealing money from your child's piggybank is immoral.
    Strangling your sister is immoral.

    This is far from immoral.
  18. ThunderSkunk macrumors 68030


    Dec 31, 2007
    Colorado & Ontario
    Yeah. If you want the money, you've got to fix those tax laws.
  19. nutmac macrumors 68040

    Mar 30, 2004
    Are there any major for-profit public companies that actually pay foreign profit on on-going basis?
  20. topgunn macrumors 65816


    Nov 5, 2004
    Declare a tax holiday on overseas earning and instantly add $2.1 trillion to the US economy.
  21. CalWizrd Suspended


    Jun 21, 2011
    NYC/Raleigh, NC
    Who would you suggest "hold the cards"?
  22. dannyyankou macrumors 604


    Mar 2, 2012
    Who cares, tax avoidance is legal. Leave Apple alone.
  23. JimmyHook macrumors 6502a

    Apr 7, 2015
    Any legal methods for lowering a tax bill is perfectly fine, and actually is his responsibility as CEO to do so. Repatriating wealth and paying 40 percent to do so would not meet his responsibility to his shareholders. Ireland's government gave Apple the tax deal in a legal fashion years ago, well before the EU stuck their noses in it. Its not a shell, Apple employs thousands in Ireland for their European operations. Its all greedy governments wanting their cut and jealous competitors who wish they were as successful
  24. AppleInLVX macrumors 6502a


    Jan 12, 2010
    OT, but is it me, or does Tim look like he's gaining weight?

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