I’ve seen lots of companies in the western world treating their employees in despicable ways. For example, I’ve never heard of zero hour contracts in China.
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Tim Cook Calls for a 'Durable and Hopeful Future For All' in Wall Street Journal Op-Ed
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A lot of people here seem to be making the argument “Apple isn’t diverse because none of the VPs are black.”
Like you can’t just hire someone because they’re a certain colour for a position like VP. The best person for the job gets it and it just so happens that a lot of the VPs are long timers from California which I suppose back then didn’t have a ton of minorities? Whatever it may be, you have to prove that apple picked a white person over a black person because of skin colour and since you can’t prove that, you have no argument.
If African Americans in California make up 5.8% of the population, then statistically you should expect no more than 5.8% of all California-based apple employees to be African American. Expecting any more than that is, ironically enough, racist.
Like you can’t just hire someone because they’re a certain colour for a position like VP. The best person for the job gets it and it just so happens that a lot of the VPs are long timers from California which I suppose back then didn’t have a ton of minorities? Whatever it may be, you have to prove that apple picked a white person over a black person because of skin colour and since you can’t prove that, you have no argument.
If African Americans in California make up 5.8% of the population, then statistically you should expect no more than 5.8% of all California-based apple employees to be African American. Expecting any more than that is, ironically enough, racist.
Here is apples leadership page from ten years ago. Entirely white men. It’s just never enough progress for people. Any amount of logical thinking and common sense proves how utterly ridiculous things have become with the “woke” mobs. What’s actually happening now ironically is re-segregation due to the enormous divides happening in so many areas.
If anyone bothered to do any research on history....as I just did, it shows there is definite progress being made in many areas. But why learn from history when you can just delete it.
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The same as many other diseases - except in this case it statistically hits older people even more - being old is a much greater independent risk factor than skin colour w.r.t. COVID hospitalisation or CFR ... But that fact is not part of the Tim Cook / media talking points.
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Apple’s executive page isn’t the only indicator of progress. There is still widespread systemic racism in the United States and if people haven’t reached that conclusion with their own brains and logic then nothing will change their minds and they’re part of the problem. That is all.
But on the flip side I don’t see how making a movie with a cast that’s entirely female (Ghostbusters) or African American (Back 2 America) isn’t sexist or racist, respectively. The solution to bias isn’t to be biased in the opposite direction.
And now we're talking about bad behaviour on China… Which doesn't improve just because you do a whataboutism about something bad happening somewhere else.
Based on the responses to Cook's comments on this pro-Apple site, I would have to conclude, his message has not been well received. Many of his defenders are less than gracious, using sarcasm or condescending elitist claims than only racists or the ignorant masses would disagree with Cook.
Weeeeeell… the racist ducks do come out of the woodworks to do a lot of quacking about the whole thing.
If you look at history, the racism situation in the U.S. is continually getting better. The 50’s were better than the 20’s and the 60’s better than 50’s and now is better than in the 80’s.
Of course, what we‘d all (or many of us) would like best is if racism disappeared completely ASAP, like in yesterday. Unfortunately, to paraphrase what MLK said, the arc of history moves toward justice but is slow. We’d all like for it to be going much faster, that’s for sure.
But I suspect that when that time finally arrives of no more racism in most of the U.S. (I may be a pessimist, but I don’t think that will happen for another 15-20 years minimum), many in the disadvataged communities will be shocked to discover that life just got significantly harder along many dimensions. Now, that doesn’t mean achieving non-racism isn’t worth the price - it absolutely is - but there’s always things folks don’t anticipate, and it’s probably wise to temper one’s expectations in the post racial world... it won’t all be roses. You see that all the time. When colonialists left f.ex. African countries, everyone thought ‘well, now that the bad guys are gone, here come the good times” - it didn’t work out that way... in many ways, a lot of those countries ended up much worse than before. That’s not the fault of the disadvantaged, but it‘s still wise to accept that not everything you ask for will be a bed or roses.
So fight the good fight, I hope to see racism in the U.S. defeated soon, but then other struggles will take over - now the heavy burden of responsibility will have to be met and there won’t be ready excuses. Every cloud has a silver lining, but conversely every ray of sunshine comes with its portion of skin cancer
. In the end we must do the right thing - abolish racism, without compromise and hopefully on an accelerated schedule (nobody wants to wait 20 years, LOL!).
Of course, what we‘d all (or many of us) would like best is if racism disappeared completely ASAP, like in yesterday. Unfortunately, to paraphrase what MLK said, the arc of history moves toward justice but is slow. We’d all like for it to be going much faster, that’s for sure.
But I suspect that when that time finally arrives of no more racism in most of the U.S. (I may be a pessimist, but I don’t think that will happen for another 15-20 years minimum), many in the disadvataged communities will be shocked to discover that life just got significantly harder along many dimensions. Now, that doesn’t mean achieving non-racism isn’t worth the price - it absolutely is - but there’s always things folks don’t anticipate, and it’s probably wise to temper one’s expectations in the post racial world... it won’t all be roses. You see that all the time. When colonialists left f.ex. African countries, everyone thought ‘well, now that the bad guys are gone, here come the good times” - it didn’t work out that way... in many ways, a lot of those countries ended up much worse than before. That’s not the fault of the disadvantaged, but it‘s still wise to accept that not everything you ask for will be a bed or roses.
So fight the good fight, I hope to see racism in the U.S. defeated soon, but then other struggles will take over - now the heavy burden of responsibility will have to be met and there won’t be ready excuses. Every cloud has a silver lining, but conversely every ray of sunshine comes with its portion of skin cancer
. In the end we must do the right thing - abolish racism, without compromise and hopefully on an accelerated schedule (nobody wants to wait 20 years, LOL!).
I believe as a US citizen that is his right, even duty if he can improve conditions in our proud country.
Wow, that’s a lot!
It’s so easy to know if someone has racist beliefs, thoughts, or actions no matter the color of their skin. Just ask them. (You even do this with yourself!). You say: Do you (or do I) harbor racist beliefs, thoughts or actions?
If the answer is no…
Then that person does. Everyone does, some hide it, or are unaware. It’s impossible not to if you are human. It’s a shame. If this surprises you, or if you even disagree, go to the library and check out half a dozen books on the topic and READ them.
There are two I recently enjoyed:
White Fragility, by Robin Diangelo (white woman)
How to be an AntiRacist, by Ibram X Kendi. (black man)
Does this mean I have racist beliefs? Unfortunately, yes. As a white male I’m very aware of the privileges that come with being white and male. I try to maintain an awareness about that and to support those who don’t have those privileges.
If you are on this earth, why wouldn’t you want to make things better for everyone? I think what Tim did was brave and extraordinarily important.
It’s so easy to know if someone has racist beliefs, thoughts, or actions no matter the color of their skin. Just ask them. (You even do this with yourself!). You say: Do you (or do I) harbor racist beliefs, thoughts or actions?
If the answer is no…
Then that person does. Everyone does, some hide it, or are unaware. It’s impossible not to if you are human. It’s a shame. If this surprises you, or if you even disagree, go to the library and check out half a dozen books on the topic and READ them.
There are two I recently enjoyed:
White Fragility, by Robin Diangelo (white woman)
How to be an AntiRacist, by Ibram X Kendi. (black man)
Does this mean I have racist beliefs? Unfortunately, yes. As a white male I’m very aware of the privileges that come with being white and male. I try to maintain an awareness about that and to support those who don’t have those privileges.
If you are on this earth, why wouldn’t you want to make things better for everyone? I think what Tim did was brave and extraordinarily important.
How did they end up in the disadvantaged communities to begin with…?!
Let's say that by an act of god/aliens/hypnosis we all wake up tomorrow completely without the ability to tell "races" apart.
It's of course an idea too absurd even for really bad sci-fi, but it's happened; it's like our brains knows everything that we knew before, but not even if we wake up in the most traditional indigenous setting, do dna analysis, or measure the lights reflecting off our skin, can our brains put the pieces together.
We've effectively gone completely race-less; and surely the ultimate way of ending racism would be if the concept of races was so beyond just gone that we can't even recreate it?
Weeeeeeell… here's the thing…
Sentencing disparities still mean that if you the night before went to bed as an imprisoned black man you still wake up with an on average up to 20% longer sentence than the white man that had committed the exact same crime. (And those are of course numbers you can look up even from official, and Trump-era, sources.)
That's one example of how the results of racism would still limit access to opportunities for some in an absolutely post-racism society.
Let's take another example:
Two young people with equal opportunities in life are about to leave home to build their lives as independent adults; the only difference between the two is that one has 100 USD, while the other one inherited 100'000 USD.
So while one of the boys can live comfortably for at least three years while getting a career/business started, the other one would be homeless and run out of money for food within a month.
It's very hard to "build a future" when you're struggling for survival; and that carries over. You are less likely to succeed to the same level, so you're less likely to be able to afford to give your child that advantage that you didn't have; which in turn carries over to the generation after them, and so on.
Of course there will always be examples of people going from the worst situations to absolutely winning at life; but for the average person, and when we look at whole groups, the odds tend to catch up with us.
So even in a completely post-race society would the brokeness of earlier generations be felt; and every act of racism against you and the generations before you would still be skewing your odds in this new post-race society.
Same with access to a good higher education. It's an advantage to have two parents that truly understand what you're going through, and can properly support you; making also studying a generational thing. So the odds are skewed a bit more by if your ancestors did or didn't have access to a good education.
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Assuming no other major changes, so essentially society of today just continues for a couple of hundred years; then if we at the end of that get back our ability to recognise race, then we would be able to see that where people are at in society they will still have been influenced by the racism happening before we went blind to the concept of race. Those skewed odds would have pushed your family tree in one or the other direction.
So just ending racism isn't enough if we're still left with a society where the financial repercussions of racism would still limit people.
Diangelo and Kendi are peddling unfalsifiable psuedo-scientific vitriol as part of new CRT industry. With a short-sighted historical uncontextualised US-centric view as if the Earth came into existence a mere 500 years ago.
The arguments are the equivalent of asking the question "have you stopped beating your mother?"
Their books have done great harm in race-relations and should be considered with equal ethical contempt as phrenology - through superficial analysis of a complex problem and stigmatisation and invalidation of entire groups of people based on their phenotype, whilst conveniently leaving out contradictory facts. The flawed concepts in the books provide a non-actionable framework for solving actual problems of inequality.
FWIW the family on my mother's side was enslaved.
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I should have included a comment on this before; but here goes…
If you invest in property and I'm a really bad renter, then by the time you manage to evict me I might have torn down walls, built unsafe other walls; and perhaps for some damn reason ended a party by setting off dynamite that cracked the foundation. Heck, I might even have traded parts of the garden/house with the terrible renters in the properties next to it.
Simply kicking me out wouldn't be enough for that property to go back to being that perfect home where some lovely grandma can bake bread and spend time with her grandchildren.
On a much greater scale that's what colonists did to many many areas; but instead of cracking the foundation of a house they cracked the foundation of cultures, and they drew up new borders where there were none before. People and cultures that staid in peace because they kept away from each other were suddenly meant to be the same (in the eyes of the colonists), and families were separated by borders cutting straight through their shared lands.
Then the mess got too messy for the colonists, and they left.
There was no way that things could then simply just to return to the stability that existed maybe 200-300 years before the colonists arrived.
Colonial damage didn't end simply because the colonists changed their policy, packed their bags, and moved on.
Amen.
I'm of mixed background and living in Asia. Outsiders such as myself don't want to complain about "systemic racism" because we're too busy fitting in. I had a black coworker from Missouri once. He said as a kid he'd beat up when he took books to school because "studying is only for white kids."
So what racists allegedly beat him up for taking books to school? Other black kids. It's hard to fight The Man when you can only see The Man when you look in the mirror.
You realize that first nations folks killed, raped, and enslaved each other at rates so high they could not establish lasting civilizations, right? Do you really think the Algonquin and Iroquois were best friends until the French and British showed up?
Here in Asia there are many mixed people like myself. The funny thing about us is we get to recognize both sides of our pasts. There's a reason westerners bought silk from Japan, pottery from China, tea from India, and slaves from Africa and the Americas. That's because those were the goods that the locals were selling.
I think what you’re saying about this being inherently human is false. Fact of the matter is - babies do not exhibit any kind of racist behaviour or dislike towards others based on skin colour. That is a learned behaviour entirely taught by culture and awful people you meet in life.
Frankly I think saying “it’s inevitable that we’re all racist” is kinda racist in itself and pushes a narrative that it’s okay because it’s “human, bro.” Not convinced by that in any way.
lol those AirPods.... like there wasn’t a full film crew there with 15 mics. It’s just me Tim Apple, normal human on zoom, just like you. Buy AirPods.
Oh please. That’s a stretch. You don’t hear anything about China because the CCP won’t allow a disparaging word.
Have you read Mein Kampf? Point being if you believe a book is fool lies and hate then why waste your time reading it?