Tim Cook Delivers Speech Emphasizing Apple's Opposition to Sideloading

[gaximus]

The difference is iOS app distribution is a valid "Economic market" but Walmart shelves are not.

iOS App distribution = Walmart product distribution // Walmart and Apple have monopolies on this.
App distribution = product distribution // Walmart and Apple do not have monopolies on this.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

This will also be tackled by the EU, just like side loading, stay tuned.

Steam tried the same thing. They got smacked as they tried to argue the license and renting agreement. And boom we got the right to return games.

I'm sure they'll try, and I'm sure Apple will refuse to cave. Governments need to stay out of this. Absolutely ridiculous. Users already have a choice to look elsewhere besides iPhone.

Sure and they will be free to leave. Apple can’t demand governments change laws for them.

Funny to talk about profit when sharing a video with a click bait title about an issue already explained over and over again for the weeks since the studio was available (from a guy who has some decent reviews, but a lot of his Apple related videos are for clicks to get "Amens" from telling partial-truths to "Apple hater" fans).

I’m sorry but the video isn’t klick bate, there is zero technological reasons for an NVME disk shouldn’t be swappable or the ability to install a new disk.

It’s just a software lock. Same way you couldn’t swap iPhone screens before apple backpedals.

No, it's not. It's LICENSED with the device, and you MUST agree to that license before using the device.

That is completely irrelevant in the eyes of the law. It’s quite literally a reformed guideline.

Ok, so maybe have your government change THAT rather than try to tell Apple what they can or can't do with their own operating system.

Why should I change that? Stores are fred to offer free return policies, and almost every store have a 30-90 day return policy but excludes phones. The law only say online purchases grants you 14 day return rights. Or 6 months if something is wrong with it.

I'm sure they'd have no issue with that. But of course 99.99% of people aren't going to have an issue with the licensing agreement anyway or won't care and simply click "Agree" and go on about with their lives.

Sure, but it’s because it doesn’t mean anything. Steam tried and was forced to allow recognize steam games are purchases. That is why I can legally buy steam games from Argentina if I want and install it with a VPN and steam can’t do anything against me, my account or any EU member as it would be to steeling my property

 

[Expos of 1969]

I assume they do what every company does with anonymized data, use it to see what features of what products are being used, what the highest priority features are, track errors, generally use it to make the product better for the majority of the people. example: If they see that 98% of people are tapping on a particular tab when they open an app, they might make that the default tab.

Or they are likely to remove the tab. Millions of users were happily using the keyboard that was on Apple laptops up to 2015, so what did Apple do? Replace it with the defective butterfly keyboard.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

iOS App distribution = Walmart product distribution // Walmart and Apple have monopolies on this.
App distribution = product distribution // Walmart and Apple do not have monopolies on this.

That wrong
App distribution = product distribution // Walmart do not have monopolies on this.

App distribution = product distribution // Apple have monopoly on iOS app distribution.

App distribution = product distribution // Apple, google and Microsoft do not have a monopoly on this on Mac, android or windows systems

Walmart products sold in other stores aren’t incompatible with each other. Apps on iOS and android are incompatible with each other. It doesn’t matter if you can purchase an android app, it can’t be installed or run on iOS even if you jailbreak it.

 

[gaximus]

But where can you get apps for iOS?

Don't choose iOS if you don't want only one place or iOS Apps.

You are just wrong tho. You can purchase PlayStation specific games on multiple places. iOS have only one place. You are conflating cross platform product and platform products.

McDonald sell only their goods to all platforms.
Walmart sells gods to every platform, and any goods can be purchased on multiple places.
iOS have only the AppStore as the platform There is zero alternatives.

Android have the play store, and many apps from the play store can be purchased from other places. But android applications can’t be installed on iOS and iOS applications can’t be installed on android.

You're right, you can buy PlayStation games from many places, but Sony will still get their 30% cut, they still have to be approved and tested by Sony. No one can just make a game and stick it on a Walmart shelf, it has to be licensed by Sony for it to even load on a PlayStation. So if the argument is that there should be side loading, but Apple Still has to test, approve, and make sure the Apps follow their guidelines, and Apple Still gets its full cut, then I would be ok with that. But I don't see any benefit to that.

 

[gaximus]

Or they are likely to remove the tab. Millions of users were happily using the keyboard that was on Apple laptops up to 2015, so what did Apple do? Replace it with the defective butterfly keyboard.

They had no data on how crappy the crappy the keyboard was when they created it, they thought people would love the thinner device, but then after getting tons of data on people hating the keyboard, they changed it back, and made the device thicker.

 

[Expos of 1969]

They had no data on how crappy the crappy the keyboard was when they created it, they thought people would love the thinner device, but then after getting tons of data on people hating the keyboard, they changed it back, and made the device thicker.

They sold it for three years, long after knowing it was crap. A greedy money grab decision at the expense of their customers (victims).

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Sideloading doesn't need jailbreak. But jailbreak is sideloading taken to another level. The only difference is that jailbreak gives you all the access you need. Sideloading is a stepping stone from jailbreak and theoretically allows your app to live in a. sandbox; theoretically.

Let me put it this way. Back in 1.1.2 days there was a nice little TIFF bug in Safari through which you could gain _root access. That TIFF bug allowed a simple cord free and painless jailbreak of the target device.

It is not farfetched to think a side loaded app could exploit a bug like that and hen grant you the same type of access.

As per "alternate app stores", that just opens so many variables when it comes to user experience and customer service. Can you imagine the amount of people who will go and make an appointment with the Apple store because they had issues with the Epic store? Not to mention, each store will have its own set of rules. No, let's keep it to one store curated by Apple. It's not perfect, but it has worked quite fine so far.

Apps on the AppStore have the exact same limitations as a side loaded app, they run in the exact same sandbox. Only difference is apple can deny them from using the AppStore or deny apps using special OS APIs from being on the store. A side loaded app is the same, just without apple as the pedantic quality control

 

[Sophisticatednut]

I have said it before, if they are forced to allow Sideloading they should be able to enforce the App being on Apple's App Store too. Just like my stance for "right to repair", as long as I can get with Apple and have them fix it you can do whatever you want with your device. Same concept here, as long as I can keep my walled garden and be GUARANTEED (by Apple policy) that every and ALL apps will ALSO be on the Apple App Store, I have no issue with this. But this won't happen. Therefore, some apps will require sideloading because it is exclusive on the Epic App Store for example.

Or arbitrarily is banned by apple. Little snitch is a great program, and with side loading we could use it.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

You have to gain root access to install unauthorized apps. There is no way around it. Do you recall ZiPhone and BootNeuter? Same concept.

You can use cydia impactor to install any app without root access. It just signs the app with a valid developer ID but outside the store

 

[SactoGuy18]

Look, like I said very early on, I really think there is only one reasonable solution: allow multiple app stores, but every app store has to conform to a singular security framework. That way, when you click on the App Store button, you see access to multiple app stores.

 

[usagora]

Why should I change that? Stores are fred to offer free return policies, and almost every store have a 30-90 day return policy but excludes phones. The law only say online purchases grants you 14 day return rights. Or 6 months if something is wrong with it.

Not you, your government. Such a glaring double-standard here. Stores? Meh, they can do what they want (even if it "hurts" the customer by refusing returns of brand new devices). Apple? YOU MUST DO WHAT WE SAY OR ELSE!!

smh...

 

[gaximus]

They sold it for three years, long after knowing it was crap. A greedy money grab decision at the expense of their customers (victims).

It takes more than three years to design a new product, and how is it a money grab? Was the more complicated keyboard cheaper for them to make? Was the loss of sales due to the bad keyboard making them more money?

 

[BaldiMac]

I think it's a mistake to assume that sideloaded apps would be able to do more than apps on the App Store. I'd bet that if Apple is forced to allow sideloading, they would drastically restrict API access to non-App Store apps.

 

[Expos of 1969]

It takes more than three years to design a new product, and how is it a money grab? Was the more complicated keyboard cheaper for them to make? Was the loss of sales due to the bad keyboard making them more money?

They knew the product was faulty, ignored complaints from users, blamed users for causing the problem by eating over the keyboard etc. Charged about $ 700 to replace a faulty one. Typical Apple, never say they made a mistake and do sweet FA until they get enough bad press or lawsuits. The fact they later reluctantly brought out a butterfly keyboard repair program was their usual sleazy way of admitting guilt long after the fact. People can forgive mistakes if the company admits it early on and apologizes. Cook and his company never does this.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

As I follow this thread and read people's comments, it's reassuring to see that so many forum members know just what it takes to run a successful $3 trillion company.

You are conflating running a successful 3 trillion dollar company and morally good actions or consumer friendly actions.

 

[Wildkraut]

I think it's a mistake to assume that sideloaded apps would be able to do more than apps on the App Store. I'd bet that if Apple is forced to allow sideloading, they would drastically restrict API access to non-App Store apps.

And get sued again and again and pay and pay and risk a shutdown once EU get pissed off.

I go even further and call out for jailing the CEO’s of such abusive companies which clearly tries to bend and ignore the law.

 

[I7guy]

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I go even further and call out for jailing the CEO’s of such abusive companies which clearly tries to bend and ignore the law.

Let us know how you make out.

 

[I7guy]

You are conflating running a successful 3 trillion dollar company and morally good actions or consumer friendly actions.

Morally is subjective.

 

[BaldiMac]

And get sued again and again and pay and pay and risk a shutdown once EU get pissed off.

I go even further and call out for jailing the CEO’s of such abusive companies which clearly tries to bend and ignore the law.

What would the charges be?

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Don't choose iOS if you don't want only one place or iOS Apps.

You're right, you can buy PlayStation games from many places, but Sony will still get their 30% cut, they still have to be approved and tested by Sony. No one can just make a game and stick it on a Walmart shelf, it has to be licensed by Sony for it to even load on a PlayStation. So if the argument is that there should be side loading, but Apple Still has to test, approve, and make sure the Apps follow their guidelines, and Apple Still gets its full cut, then I would be ok with that. But I don't see any benefit to that.

There’s no data I can find for Sony, but Microsoft Generally have a 5% cut of sales outside their store.

The benefit is we could get a really good online store to browse iOS games only or apps overall. Now we don’t have iTunes so People are ether forced to google after apps or YouTube it as it’s extraordinary user hostile to be forced to look on the iPhone only for apps

 

[Wildkraut]

What would the charges be?

Fraud, same as Dieselgate.

 

[BaldiMac]

Fraud, same as Dieselgate.

That's just silly. 🙄

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Morally is subjective.

One thing we can agree on. That earning money and running a business is not synonymous with morally good

Selling locked down or reparable products are a business decision can be a morally good or bad thing

 

[Wildkraut]

That's just silly. 🙄

Nope, here you can read to what a simple Software update can lead…

Put all these filthy scumbags in jail, and they will think twice before acting abusive against the law again.

Same for the VW scumbags, they fully deserved…

'Dieselgate' fraud: Timeline of a scandal

French automakers Renault, Citroen and Peugeot are the latest companies to be ensnared in the "dieselgate" scandal -- a massive emissions cheating scheme that started at German car giant Volkswagen.

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