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Interesting comment. The iPhone 5 release was the time to really make an impression and instead Apple played it conservative. It was about a month after owning the iP5 from launch when I felt Apple hadn't done enough.

Obviously their moves have done well with respect to their business, but it was the fall of 2012 where I wish Apple could have released the larger iPhone. Instead it will most likely come in the fall of 2014.

A big reason why Samsung can take risks with their hardware is because they provide virtually every compoment in their devices. Apple instead must work with others.

I admire Samsung a great deal. They created the original phablet with the first Note. The SIII seems to be the device that really hammered home the market for 4.7" and larger phones. They took the risks and it's one of the reasons they are doing so well right now.

Apple instead has played it very safe with the iPhone. That's isn't a bad way to operate of course but it led me and many others to purchase the S4.

They sold 9 million S4's last quarter while Apple sold over 50 million iPhones. I don't see how you can argue that Samsung is "doing so well right now" and that Apple isn't being innovative. There are reasons Samsung made larger phones and it had nothing to do with taking risks. They made larger phones so they wouldn't have to stress over the engineering details and efficiency details that Apple excels at. Anyone can shove a bunch of off the shelf hardware into a massive phone with a large battery to power it all. That isn't innovation. I've see nothing from Samsung that is anywhere near as impressive and refined as the A7 or Touch Id. Their engineering doesn't compare to Apple whatsoever.
 
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They sold 9 million S4's last quarter while Apple sold over 50 million iPhones. I don't see how you can argue that Samsung is "doing so well right now" and that Apple isn't being innovative. There are reasons Samsung made larger phones and it had nothing to do with taking risks. They made larger phones so they wouldn't have to stress over the engineering details and efficiency details that Apple excels at. Anyone can shove a bunch of off the shelf hardware into a massive phone with a large battery to power it all. That isn't innovation. I've see nothing from Samsung that is anywhere near as impressive and refined as the A7 or Touch Id. Their engineering doesn't compare to Apple whatsoever.

Are you seriously going to say that Samsung isn't doing amazing business right now? Apple and Samsung both dominate the smartphone profit pie. Also, that 50 million number is just a rumor for now. Not saying it won't be true but I'd hold off claiming it as a fact. Also the S4 was released in April and the latest iPhone's in September. Plus you are comparing one model versus the sales of the 5S/5C and 4S combined. Please don't compare apples to oranges.

I also never said or implied Apple wasn't being innovative. What I said originally was that they got conservative with the iPhone in recent years. This has not meant bad business per se but I and many others bought an S4 because we felt Samsung was taking more risks and bringing something more to the mobile market at that time compared to recent iPhone's. I personally felt like I was taking a risk as the S4 was my first Android phone but honestly I was much happier with it compared to my iPhone 5 which I used since it launched.

If you are going to tell me that the only reason Samsung made larger phones was being they needed a way to keep their device powered on then I don't even want to waste my time talking to you. It blows my mind that Samsung engineers are mindless to some of you but Apple, no no, Apple engineers are the upper crust of sophistication and intelligence. Samsung made the SIII and S4 the screen sizes they are because they determined that's what they wanted their flagship to be. Nothing more. If you don't agree I don't know what to tell you. But it amazes me how dismissive of Samsung you are.
 

With all due respect I just read your huge reply and felt it was a waste of my time. You seem to be expanding on points and we aren't even really discussing anything at this point. Nothing you are replying to is really countering any point I've been making. You are just talking on and on about points you or I already made. If you are going to write another novel for a reply I'm not going to bother replying again.
 
With all due respect I just read your huge reply and felt it was a waste of my time. You seem to be expanding on points and we aren't even really discussing anything at this point. Nothing you are replying to is really countering any point I've been making. You are just talking on and on about points you or I already made. If you are going to write another novel for a reply I'm not going to bother replying again.

Then don't. You call Samsung's effort to flood the market with a dozen products to see which one "sticks" as innovation and risk taking, while apple's GAMBLE with One product that seems to capture a larger and larger market YOY is conservative...From the way I see it apple gets the MARKET's pulse with just one product whereas Samsung needs to throw products at your face to see which ones actually stick!

Are you seriously going to say that Samsung isn't doing amazing business right now?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57617776-94/samsungs-smartphone-momentum-takes-a-hit/

Early Friday Korea-time, the electronics giant reported its first quarterly operating profit decline in two years. Perhaps most troubling was the slowdown in its mobile business, with its fourth-quarter operating profit in IT and mobile communications dropping 18 percent sequentially and shipments falling "slightly." Samsung also warned that the first half of 2014 would remain weak.

You might say that this is not all that bad and bla bla bla..However just imagine the position of many here and elsewhere if apple posted a situation like this. We hear from them on Monday..Lets see how they have performed...Samsung is facing an onslaught from both ends of their market..On the higher end apple finally is looking at bigger screens and perhaps even a phablet..and google is looking to be competitive with the nexus family and motorolla..On the lower end you have the various vendors that are looking to basically use the same snapdragon procesors and android OS that samsung uses and put pricing pressure on samsung..It appears that things are going to get tough for them as the reports are pointing out. The writing is on the wall, Samsung's position will be severely challenged and the fact that their SPEC's can be easily matched kit for kit by many companies (processors can be purchsed, OS can be had, Screen vendors are also present such as LG, SHARP and others) and that apple is finally looking to cover up some of the markets where others have been able to catch up..

If its bigger screens that is Samsung's advantage then apple will negate it in 2014..I don't see samsung doing anything in software that will materialize anytime soon..Nor some out and out hardware supremacy that they are targetting(Still the snapdragon 805 which will be their chip of choice along with their own 64 bit chipset)..They will continue to up the RAM by 1 gig/ year and claim spec supremacy..Screens may get higher and higher in rez and ppi..But i really want to see some miracle from them that will tell me they are truely innovating..How will they become better than google+LG? in the future when the Nexus brand has access to practically the same tech? (Snapdragon processors) and have 100% control over software? Iris scanner looked a start but they arent going that route just yet...What will samsung do that sets them apart from other Android users such as HTC , LG, Google/Nexus and Motorolla at the higher end? And many chinese and regional OEM's at the lower end? Will they finally step up and produce an android rival? Or dump their reliance on Qualcomm and stick with homegrown chipsets then extract better performance from the same OS as others are using? What about the inherent advantage of the Nexus family with near-real time Android software upgrades? Their NOTE brand has performed better, but what will they do to stand out now that others are taking this category a bit more seriously? In my opinion Google and Apple will be the real market movers (Google when it finally gets to be a major player and apple as it finally expands into newer mobile categories) in the next 2-4 years. Samsung will see its market share erode from both ends of the market!

Also the S4 was released in April and the latest iPhone's in September. Plus you are comparing one model versus the sales of the 5S/5C and 4S combined. Please don't compare apples to oranges.

5C doing so well in the market (No. 3 in the US for example) is a testament to the solid product that the 5 is/was..Its essentially the standard 5 only plastic..The S4 launched in April, they are replacing it and launching a product in Febuary.

While this sounds like pretty good news for Samsung, the firm apparently isn't pleased with these numbers so far, with reports claiming that the phone maker hoped to have reached 50 million sales by now. Investors reportedly haven't been pleased with the sales figures either, claiming that Galaxy S4 sales have been "15-20 percent lower" than had been expected. This apparently caused the firm to scale back production of the handset.[/U


http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...s4-sales-despite-hitting-40-million-milestone

And if you are gonna count the iPhone 5 and 5C as different sets then make sure to also count the various S4 iterations as different sets.

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http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57588926-251/the-five-different-galaxy-s4s-which-ones-for-you/
 
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Right there in the first picture you see some of what is wrong at Apple.

Grey hair.

Apple could use some young innovative people. As much as I like Apple (just got another one this week!) the product line has become stale, restrictive and overly-conservative. Users keep loosing connectivity and the ability to upgrade. The product line is full of holes, just what you might expect from some old, grey-haired dudes.

Mmmm...I guess that's determined by what your definition of old age is! I'm guessing you're probably mid twenties with that comment, trust me when I say you'll be at 40 before you know it and you won't think it's old.
 
That's funny, because I was just able to play the video on my iPad. Try disabling Flash. You don't need it for much these days anyway :)

The only way I've disabled Flash in Safari is with the ClickToFlash plugin. With that turned on, it just presents a grey box that says 'Flash' where the video is. If there's an alternate version for iOS (which there must be if you watched it on your iPad) I'm not sure how to make it run on the Mac. Any ideas?
 
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57617776-94/samsungs-smartphone-momentum-takes-a-hit/



You might say that this is not all that bad and bla bla bla.......

That's exactly what I would say. Samsung is always going to face fierce competition. If anything this will only force them to up their game with their 2014 offerings. I'm confident they'll address two main complaints with the S5. A redesigned TouchWiz and a more premium feel to their flagship. You seem to want to harp on the fact that Samsung is in dire trouble in the near future and I really don't see it. The only true hit that Samsung will take is when the larger iPhone comes in Q3. By then though they will still will have had a 6 month window (April - September) to sell millions of S5's and even a larger iPhone doesn't mean doom for their flagship.

I could be wrong but I thought I read an article earlier today that stated that the S4 sales don't count the other variants. (Mini, Zoom, Active.)

Samsung announced the S4 in March last year and released it in April. The current rumor from SamMobile is that the S5 will be announced at the end of February and released in April, just like last year.

In yet another rambling reply you ask what will Samsung do to set themselves a part from other OEM's. Maybe they don't need to do anything. Their current strategy has been doing quite well to date. You seem just really down on Samsung and while your entitled to your feelings this feels like a huge waste of my time to go back and forth with you. Your replies are insanely long and it's like you want Samsung to fail. I could care less what companies do or don't succeed. If anything I want all OEM's to succeed because it means better products for us and more jobs all around. No matter what you keep going on about Samsung had a really strong 2013 and there is no reason to think it won't continue in 2014. At the same time, again, I don't really care. We are just talking facts here. You seem to have negative feelings for Samsung for whatever reason. Which is irrelevant quite frankly.
 
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That's exactly what I would say. Samsung is always going to face fierce competition. If anything this will only force them to up their game with their 2014 offerings. I'm confident they'll address two main complaints with the S5. A redesigned TouchWiz and a more premium feel to their flagship. You seem to want to harp on the fact that Samsung is in dire trouble in the near future and I really don't see it. The only true hit that Samsung will take is when the larger iPhone comes in Q3. By then though they will still will have had a 6 month window (April - September) to sell millions of S5's and even a larger iPhone doesn't mean doom for their flagship.

Samsung is itself warning of a slow first half of 2014 as per reports..God only knows what apple plans in 2014..and remember we could all shift to a new product category and that could really blow things wide open..What if apple launches a Killer wearables technology which goes viral and then people just want the next iphone because it will work seamlessly with this wearable? (Could happen with the samsung watch as well)..

The only true hit that Samsung will take is when the larger iPhone comes in Q3

The thing is that a few months window (5-7 months) is not going to make the year or 2 or 3 for you..Apple has IOS8 in the pipeline, wearables perhaps 2 new phones, and the Iphone 5S is going very strong.Samsung has only a Touchwiz skin which is perhaps the most critisized thing among android afficandos...Google still has Android for its own and they can really play up the Nexus family in 2014 given that expanding would also be on their agenda. Samsung has fierce competition within the android dommain from the likes of Google/Moto, HTC and LG and this competition extends beyond market share into profit margins..If apple does plan to enter the Phablet market then who knows when they plan of launching the device and what happens leading up to that..Despite of having tougher competition from Samsung apple has been able to significantly up its sales YOY and it seems they are only now looking towards a strategy to expand its product lineup now that they have consolidated the iPhone family for some years. No matter which way you spin it, a stronger apple portfolio (and apple has actually increasing sales, profits and revenue) coupled with fierce competition (at both ends of the market) from within the android space can only mean lower margins for Samsung. Of course they can surprise us by showing that X factor which others lack..A brand new Operating system from their top secret vault that no one else has, or a Brand new CHIP that finally ditches the performance benchmark of the snapdragon family..or a technology that no one has access to for a year or more..can change all of that..Lets see what they deliver vis-a-vis the competition. Remember the middle of the year has traditionally been the SLOW end of the market in terms of sales.

If Samsung is going to enjoy the first half because apple would not have a larger competitor then i don't see much good comming of that. They have enjoyed all of 2013 with the BIGGER product. And remember its just not Samsung that is refreshing its premier line of phones. LG and HTC are doing so as well. And Samsung also had the GN3 in the last quarter of 2013 (A brand new device)...and even that could not save it from seeing a profit decline compared to last quarter

I could be wrong but I thought I read an article earlier today that stated that the S4 sales don't count the other variants. (Mini, Zoom, Active.)

Samsung announced the S4 in March last year and released it in April. The current rumor from SamMobile is that the S5 will be announced at the end of February and released in April, just like last year.

Perhaps they dont count it..That said, they still sold fewer phones than the same quarter last year despite of the S4 (which wasnt their earlier) and the GN3, both products largely considered to be superior to the ones they replace...Compare that to a damn near bumper quarter that is expected for apple even compared to a very lucrative quarter same time last year..Q4 is largely considrered the most profitable quarter of the year in the business with the most volume...Doing well here does wonders to your bottom line.

In yet another rambling reply you ask what will Samsung do to set themselves a part from other OEM's. Maybe they don't need to do anything.

Doing nothing will take them nowhere..When the competition heats up, you either step up or get eaten up. Doing nothing wont be an option for them. Something has to set them apart compared to other OEM's that have access to the same high performance chips and software OS.

Their current strategy has been doing quite well to date.

When it comes to flagship (S4), they themselves admit that they expected much better performance, and the market analysts think their flagship has underperformed by as much as 20%.

Your replies are insanely long and it's like you want Samsung to fail.

On the contrary I want them to do something that sets the mobile world on fire. I am a very (extremely) happy owner of many samsung products ( My smart TV being the latest) and work for a shipping company that does large volumes of business with them.

No matter what you keep going on about Samsung had a really strong 2013 and there is no reason to think it won't continue in 2014.

They have ended the year with not only lower profits YOY but lower sales as well. This despite of having a new high end device launched towards the end of the year (GN3) and entering a new market category (wearables). Market works on trends and forcasts..And things arent looking very peachy with company itself warning of flat performance in the first half of 2014.

Just imagine if apple launched a new iPhablet and new iWatch in Q4 2013 and despite of this their sales of mobiles and profits would have declined compared to same quarter last year. Would you have been saying that they are doing well? I definitly would not..Definitly not if despite of this "dissapointing" performance the company warns of flat performance in the first of next year.
 
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I can't believe I DVR'd that 5 minute nothingness.

It was literally just the small clips they already showed, with maybe an additional 30 seconds in.
 
I thought it would be a like a 60 minutes thing..:)

That's what I was hoping for, then again:

ABC News is owned by Disney, Disney and Apple have very tight ties, therefore this was definitely a PR piece most likely spearheaded by Apple.

That said, I'm getting the sense that there are some quite big surprises in store this year. At the very least I think there is going to be one hell of a Super Bowl ad.
 
Can someone post up a link for Apple's PR piece on ABC so the rest of the world can see it :D
 
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so? nobody recorded the full interview and posted online? you guys are slow huh (ps: I don't live in the US)
 
Right there in the first picture you see some of what is wrong at Apple.

Grey hair.

Apple could use some young innovative people. As much as I like Apple (just got another one this week!) the product line has become stale, restrictive and overly-conservative. Users keep loosing connectivity and the ability to upgrade. The product line is full of holes, just what you might expect from some old, grey-haired dudes.

Man, you need to be head designer at Apple with insight like that. Everyone knows that once a person has grey hair he's totally useless and can't possibly be forward thinking. You, sir, need to show them how it's done.
 
Samsung executives aren't 'lost at sea'. I don't know what you are talking about. The Gear isn't a great product but it's just a first-gen edition. The original Surface did poorly from Microsoft but their recent earnings reports shows that the Surface 2 is doing quite well. No reason to believe the Gear 2 can't follow suit.

The Gear isn't a great product, but not because "it's just a first-gen product." It has fundamental drawbacks that are very fixable. For starters, battery life of a day is not very good.

As for the Surface, Microsoft is losing money one the Surface. I wouldn't call selling a product at a loss "doing quite well."

First-gen versions of Apple products are not as good as the second-gen version. The original iPad looks like junk compared to the Air. But I can't remember a first-gen Apple hardware product being as poorly received as the Surface or Gear in recent history. I could be wrong, though.
 
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