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Is there a way we can donate to those suffering from logical fallacies in Japan?

There is. Make their schools more around thinking rather than memorizing. I know because I have been to one. Japanese kids can only repeat the arguments their peers or their teachers tell them; they can't / are afraid of thinking up new ideas and express them. Even schools in China did better in terms of thinking.
 
In the places still needing charity, no it hasn't. You think an African child dying from lack of water needs a MacBook Pro?

Use your imagination here if you dare:

1. MacBook *
2. Solar power source
3. Satellite internet
4. Will power from someone who cares (you for instance?)
5. Write a blog on site with pictures to ask for humans to cooperate
6. Wisely use resources donated by those who will to prospect the local environment to find water
- give children water they need
7. Create a self sustaining local economy
8. Build a school, empower whosoever will With knowledge and how-to using the MacBook *
 
He does more than you do. Tim is badass at charity. How many people has the ipad alone helped? Blind, autistic, children, elderly, and third world countries. You lack the imagination and facts of Apple's impact on the world and on advancing humanity.

A few weeks ago I was on an airport shuttle and the guy in front of me was signing to his wife on an iPhone. Sure, they could have texted one another but there's nothing like face to face conversations. For the deaf, technology in general and Apple specifically have revolutionized communication.
 
There is. Make their schools more around thinking rather than memorizing. I know because I have been to one. Japanese kids can only repeat the arguments their peers or their teachers tell them; they can't / are afraid of thinking up new ideas and express them. Even schools in China did better in terms of thinking.

Pff, better than America. At least they don't worry about the third grader's self-esteem if he can't memorize the multiplication tables then have him take a few standardized tests on iPads to help him learn.

Seriously though, kids start with standardized testing in first grade here. It's as if the administration at the schools doesn't care at all.

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Is it wrong that I feel like, if the military overthrew the government and put apple in control of everything, I'd be ok with that?

Apple with a monopoly over everything. Yeah, something's wrong with that.

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I agree. I never met Steve and I certainly never knew him but I actually miss him.

One of the best founders/CEOs ever. He was a genius.

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"This legislation, known as the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity."

So Tim, how could this possibly be enforced?

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Yes, that's my point. An amazing company. But it does what it does, and the fanboys can blow it out of proportion as much as they want. But it is what it is. Sorry.

And they can get you suspended. I really hope your account wasn't suspended just for saying that.
 
Two points that have not yet been raised:
1) It was Tim's award for HIS achievement. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs didn't go to Tim's university (nor did they even graduate), so they weren't in the running for the prize. Nobody of Tim's stature went to my university (except for a few randoms with nobel prizes who you've never heard of). Rather than boast and speak of personal achievements, Tim decided to take a more humble approach. Credit where due... he could have said 'really I'm a self made man... I come from an ordinary family in Alabama and am now a multimillionaire. This took a lot of hard work and self motivation and this award is a credit to that'.

2) People with disabilities exist EVERYWHERE and they are not necessarily poor/unable to access things like the internet. Tim's point was that Apple puts a lot of money into accessibility without considering the financial return. I haven't used Windows Phone/Android enough... but an interesting area to explore would be whether or not an iPad is more accessible for people with disabilities than an equivalently prices Android device. These are features that you don't see on the front page of newspapers as top features, but if you have a disability they could mean the world.

3) People in remote, disadvantaged parts of the world weren't really discussed. Discrimination (particularly with regard to disabilities) was the area discussed. Maybe worth re-watching his speech if you didn't get that part:

'[Apple's engineers] go to extraordinary lengths to make our products accessible to people with various disabilities from blindness and deafness, to various muscular disorders'.

The above has nothing to do with people in developing countries. In the context of the speech, it was very much to do with Northern Americans with disabilities.
 
"Discrimination" is the marketing term. A phone that doesn't have good support for people with disabilities is about as "discriminatory" as a male clothing store. Apple also "discriminates" against poor people by not selling their stuff for less. And Google and Microsoft "discriminate" against people just because they have disabilities.

I almost always liked it when Steve Jobs talked, except for the part about the magical iPad. And I'm sad to say that Tim Cook always disappoints me.
 
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Finally a comment by someone that knows something about what they are commenting on. The other technology impact not mentioned is filtration systems for water,

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/p3-biosand-bag-water-treatment-filter

http://www.puremadi.org/PureMadi/Welcome.html

etc..


It's entirely true that technology is not at the top of the list of human needs when it comes down to it. If you're starving, you don't much care if you have a mobile phone.

But it saddens me somewhat to read a number of responses that make the seriously flawed assumption that sub-Saharan Africa is this big mass of savannah with a bunch of children that have no water and food in it.

Yes, there have been, and continue to periodically be, humanitarian crises in Africa that result in people starving or dying form lack of water. But for the vast majority of the tens of millions of people who live in relative poverty in Africa now, the issue is considerably more complex than the stereotypical "starving kid on the TV commercial."

The reality is that, funny enough, a lot of people in Africa do have cell phones. They don't have electricity at their home, or running water, but they have a cheap mobile phone, because that's how you get in touch with somebody else. How do you charge it? You pay the guy in town who has a mobile charging business a few shillings to plug it in and charge it.

Or, more recently--and this is where the organization I work for has been involved--you buy a solar-charged LED lamp of some sort to replace the candle or kerosene lamp you previously used to light your house or shop, and it happens to have a little mobile charging port on it.

In many towns it has been, for quite some time, popular to buy a solar panel, a car battery, and a small TV so you can watch soccer on TV. Necessary? Of course not. But just because they're poor doesn't mean they don't want to watch sports.

See, the reality is that most people in Kenya, Tanzania, Ethiopia, etc, don't just sit around on the street waiting to starve. They have jobs, and children, and families. They make only the equivalent of a couple dollars a day in most cases, and many of them have been spending a substantial fraction of that on kerosene to burn in lamps so they can see to work at night, or so their kids can do their homework in hopes of getting a better education.

Giving those people the opportunity to buy--not giving them, but selling them--a comparatively high-tech solar panel hooked to a rechargeable battery and white LED lamp leapfrogs a couple of generations of technology, and bypasses the electric grid entirely. It is not in any way necessary, but it is currently enabling millions of people to improve their quality of life.

That's just an example. A MacBook Pro is a long way from a $20 LED lamp, but it's a simple example of how comparatively advanced technology can and does make a real quality of life difference for the very poor. More importantly, though, it's worth keeping in mind that the kid starving in the street on the commercial on late night TV is not really representative of the majority of the population of Africa--they are still very poor, but they're not in crisis.

(And by the way, I'm not just making this up based on conjecture or fantasy; the organization I work for sends people to these countries regularly for weeks at a time to spend time in rural villages doing surveys, in addition to large-scale national studies.)
 
So water is not available yet the infrastructure to support use of a mobile phone is? Haha thanks for the laugh this morning.

That's entirely possible. But nobody really needs Apple products, and poor people simply can't afford them but may be able to buy other cell phones.
 
Note: Due to the potentially controversial nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.
Potentially controversial? Next time you'll tell me that blacks want to ride in the front of a bus. And women want to go to universities. Seriously, can there be two opinions on the issue of gay rights? If the answer is yes, than Tim Cook needs to throw the whole power of his company behind this equal rights movement. Stop paying taxes in states that don't have gay marriage. And push them back in iPad delivery dates behind all the other countries in the world, who have some form of gay marriage. That will teach them.
 
2) People with disabilities exist EVERYWHERE and they are not necessarily poor/unable to access things like the internet. Tim's point was that Apple puts a lot of money into accessibility without considering the financial return. I haven't used Windows Phone/Android enough... but an interesting area to explore would be whether or not an iPad is more accessible for people with disabilities than an equivalently prices Android device. These are features that you don't see on the front page of newspapers as top features, but if you have a disability they could mean the world.
I responded to some of the misconceptions about technology in sub-Saharan Africa simply because I know something about the region, but I'm glad somebody pointed this out, since it's actually the main takeaway I had from listening to his speech. What I got was "I wonder if Tim Cook has been behind the huge advances in accessibility in iOS over the last few years the whole time".

The other "controversial" things aside, accessibility in computing is very much dependent and relevant to high-tech, benefits a segment of the population that has no relationship to affluence, nationality, or any other demographic, and frankly that any of us could suddenly find ourselves in need of at any moment due simply to bad luck. I hope to never need the Accessibility pref pane or section of iOS, but if I do I'm glad they're there.
 
The other technology impact not mentioned is filtration systems for water
This is wildly off topic, but it's kind of a funny coincidence you mention that, because I was in Bob Gearheart's master's program; if you're familiar with appropriate tech water treatment, there's a good chance you recognize his name as a pioneer in the field. That sand filter bag looks a lot like the device we built in his lab class--it's cool to see it being commercialized.

Heck, my home town's municipal sewage filtration is done entirely by a series of marshes he designed.
 
A few weeks ago I was on an airport shuttle and the guy in front of me was signing to his wife on an iPhone. Sure, they could have texted one another but there's nothing like face to face conversations. For the deaf, technology in general and Apple specifically have revolutionized communication.

That's just really awesome.
 
A few weeks ago I was on an airport shuttle and the guy in front of me was signing to his wife on an iPhone. Sure, they could have texted one another but there's nothing like face to face conversations. For the deaf, technology in general and Apple specifically have revolutionized communication.

Not to mention all the people whose job has been enhanced such as doctors, nurses, students. Those people go on and do great things! Even though most will watch cat videos.
 
I mostly use my iPhone to watch videos of people falling off skateboards.

I like to type in fail compilations on YouTube.

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Potentially controversial? Next time you'll tell me that blacks want to ride in the front of a bus. And women want to go to universities. Seriously, can there be two opinions on the issue of gay rights? If the answer is yes, than Tim Cook needs to throw the whole power of his company behind this equal rights movement. Stop paying taxes in states that don't have gay marriage. And push them back in iPad delivery dates behind all the other countries in the world, who have some form of gay marriage. That will teach them.

Nope. No to this please. You can't teach acceptance by excluding and punishing others. That's called harassment and abuse, not what we want as the face of gay rights.
 
What kind of drug are you on ? I mean, really, we all know that Apple is earning a fortune with their products and part of their business model is that they squeeze out as much as possible from their suppliers, even knowing that the conditions for their employees are far beyond the acceptable level even in China.

Cook knows this and it would be easy for him to change it. Apple is sitting on a huge heap of money, so there's no business reason that could justify this behaviour. They'd still make their profits, no doubt.

Steve Jobs was an ***hole, but he never tried to mimick te good guy. Under his rule he pulled Apple out of every charity, which was an honest statement about what matters to him.

So if Cook is really interested in equality then he should rethink his supply chain and - as others should - start paying taxes.

You act like you don't take deductions or try to minimize your tax debts. When you say there is no business reason for maximizing supply chain production it clarifies that you have no idea why people are in business..... To make money! So you don't read the articles about Tim and Apple investigating the factories? Or that the factories produce more than just Apple products? Or that the factory jobs are better than no job and not being able to fees your family at all? You're on a high horse and have no idea of how it really is in Asia. They are grateful to be able to afford to feed their families. And you're okay with Steve being an upfront dick but when Tim does some good he gets blasted?
 
Tim Cook is just another champagne socialist. It's easy to preach equality when you live behind electric fences and have your chauffeur drive you past all your neighbors. Try competing on the street and you'll soon find out that people are far from equal.
 
You act like you don't take deductions or try to minimize your tax debts. When you say there is no business reason for maximizing supply chain production it clarifies that you have no idea why people are in business..... To make money! So you don't read the articles about Tim and Apple investigating the factories? Or that the factories produce more than just Apple products? Or that the factory jobs are better than no job and not being able to fees your family at all? You're on a high horse and have no idea of how it really is in Asia. They are grateful to be able to afford to feed their families. And you're okay with Steve being an upfront dick but when Tim does some good he gets blasted?

And you think we should leave it like that, and not try to improve peoples lives?
 
Finally a comment by someone that knows something about what they are commenting on. The other technology impact not mentioned is filtration systems for water,

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/p3-biosand-bag-water-treatment-filter

http://www.puremadi.org/PureMadi/Welcome.html

etc..

Why do we need to filter our water in the first place? Oh yeah, we polluted our water supplies building our civilization on the backbone of technological "progress".

Look, if you, or anyone else want to argue the merits of technology and the luxury it provides to a large number of individuals, that's one thing, but please at least try to do so without resorting to cheap rhetorical tricks.

In terms of raw numbers alone, not percentages, there are more people living in poverty today then there were in the last century (due to our population explosion), despite all our technological advances in the last century. Most of our diseases are evolutionary mismatch diseases of civilization. Further, we are always told of the "hope" that one day poverty will be eliminated, by bringing technology to struggling nations. Of course, industrializing those nations, to help them overcome the adverse effects we had on their ecosystems and the entire globe, will of course, come at a financial cost to them. We will lend them money to build their infrastructures, so long as they effectively become indentured servants to our notions of civilization and progress.

I'm not saying technology and civilization is undesirable, but let's at least not try and ignore that there are serious adverse effects related with it and it isn't all good. Let's at least be honest.
 
In the places still needing charity, no it hasn't. You think an African child dying from lack of water needs a MacBook Pro?

Without technology you wouldn't even know about the child dying from lack of water. You need to think about the way technology is enabling others to help that child to see the actual benefits.
 
Without technology you wouldn't even know about the child dying from lack of water. You need to think about the way technology is enabling others to help that child to see the actual benefits.

Without technology no one would be dying from lack of water. The globe's surface is over 70% water. Oh, you mean non-polluted water, which is a rapidly depleting resource? How's technology doing on that score? Not so good huh...
 
Without technology no one would be dying from lack of water. The globe's surface is over 70% water. Oh, you mean non-polluted water, which is a rapidly depleting resource? How's technology doing on that score? Not so good huh...

So what is your point? There may be 70% of the earth's surface covered with water but much of Africa is a dry place where drought happens and can be devastating to the population. Yes much of the worlds drinkable water is diverted to make goods and food for the west which is not a good thing but that has nothing to do with the argument here. You have to remember that without technology much of the world would be dead from disease or starvation.
 
So what is your point? There may be 70% of the earth's surface covered with water but much of Africa is a dry place where drought happens and can be devastating to the population. Yes much of the worlds drinkable water is diverted to make goods and food for the west which is not a good thing but that has nothing to do with the argument here. You have to remember that without technology much of the world would be dead from disease or starvation.

No, the hunter gatherers did remarkably well for themselves. When agriculture arrived on the scene, starvation and disease became rampant. Infectious diseases require a certain population density to spread and be effective, and the hunter-gatherers worked less hard and for shorter period of times than their farmer and modern counterparts. They also were not prone to starvation since they could move along with the food sources, up until the point that the cities and agricultures usurped all the land. So farming brought disease, starvation, and desertification. It also brought culture. luxury, and civilization. So, in short, it was good and bad. You are deluding yourself if you think technology is all good and has no costs.
 
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