Tim Cook Holds 'Constructive' Talks With EU Over Siri AI Launch

[I7guy]

You're out of the EU, but you still manage to blame it for your misfortunes. Must be hard to shake off those old habits.

In general, damage can be done quickly and take a long time to undo.

I would really like to know how you think the EU punished the UK. As far as I know you got everything that Brexit promised. No free movement of persons, complete control of your borders, and as a cherry on top a zero tariff agreement for goods that was negotiated in record time.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Seems like someone who believes that should value a company that fights to keep your data on your device where no one has access to it but the user.

Agree totally!

It doesn't then logically follow, however, that I want Apple deciding how and who uses my data, particularly over my own wishes.

It's my data and privacy level decision, not theirs.

 

[I7guy]

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The idea that all these giant corporations are supposed to be allowed to do whatever they want with your data without allowing you to choose an alternative way to process that data is ridiculous to me.

That not true at all. There are a modicum of laws dealing with privacy. Within those laws many companies allow you to select some options. However if one disagrees with the way their data is managed by a large company I encourage people to not do business with the company.

Governments need to do more to stop predatory business practices like these imo. Not just in cases like this but everywhere.

What predatory practices?

Might sound strange but I don’t think my local grocery store should be allowed to sell their own wares either, because if you operate the marketplace you are inherently biased against competition.

That’s an extreme case sure, but that basic principle applies here too. With software a hardline stance like that is obviously a bit problematic, OS developers should of course be allowed to build nice first party features, but when they sell a general purpose device they have to allow 3rd parties the same access, otherwise they are competing unfairly.

So I have no problem with Apple building hooks in the OS for an AI to access all of the data (should I choose to provide it), but I have a problem with them doing that and then saying I can’t then decide who gets to access it.

I won’t give my data to any of the companies you mentioned, I value my privacy, but I might want to give it to e.g. Proton in the future, if that simplifies my life in any way, why shouldn’t I be allowed to do that?

I think in the ideal world we have control of our data. But in today’s framework that’s not the case and most likely will never be the case.

 

[ThomasJL]

Hey EU people, if you want to understand a little why the U.S. has plenty of voters who vote for presidents and other politicians who serve the interests of corporations instead of ordinary people, just look at how many people in this thread (most of whom are Americans) wrote pro-corporation/anti-ordinary people posts, and also how many people (most of whom are Americans) upvoted the pro-corporation posts and downvoted the pro-ordinary people posts.

 

[BaldiMac]

Agree totally!

It doesn't then logically follow, however, that I want Apple to deciding how and who uses my data, particularly over my own wishes.

It's my data and privacy level decision, not theirs.

I disagree. I choose Apple because they do more to allow me to decide how and who uses my data. That's the whole point of the platform provider.

I don't want unlimited choices. That's overwhelming and uninformed. That's Android.

I just want good choices.

 

[I7guy]

Hey EU people, if you want to understand a little why the U.S. has plenty of voters who vote for presidents and other politicians who serve the interests of corporations instead of ordinary people, just look at how many people in this thread (most of whom are Americans) wrote pro-corporation/anti-ordinary people posts, and also how many people (most of whom are Americans) upvoted the pro-corporation posts and downvoted the pro-ordinary people posts.

And look at how many people want to tear the American system down because it isn’t perfect. And look at how many people want the same opportunity for all. Tearing the system doesn’t afford that. It seems people want the US to be socialist and ignore the voting process in the middle and get their vision or nightmare of nirvana.

 

[surferfb]

Hey EU people, if you want to understand a little why the U.S. has plenty of voters who vote for presidents and other politicians who serve the interests of corporations instead of ordinary people, just look at how many people in this thread (most of whom are Americans) wrote pro-corporation/anti-ordinary people posts, and also how many people (most of whom are Americans) upvoted the pro-corporation posts and downvoted the pro-ordinary people posts.

Well, I think Apple’s stance is actually pro-ordinary people and the EU’s is anti-ordinary people.

So, in my opinion, the ones upvoting pro-Apple posts are the ones looking out for the ordinary people and ones upvoting pro-EU posts are siding with what’s best for developers and big corporations over what’s best for users.

 

[Abazigal]

It seems like Apple is growing increasingly comfortable with withholding new features from the EU, with the vague promise that they might eventually come to the EU (or not at all). It's hard to argue with the logic. Apple is under no obligation to bend over backwards and capitulate to everything the DMA demands just so their features can be allowed in the EU, and sometimes, the best play is simply not to play.

It is what it is. People who want the benefits of a certain legislation should be prepared for the downsides as well.

 

[Atog]

Where was EU protection when mass migration hit the continent since 2015? When mass migration raised violent street crime?

Yet when it came to this non-issue, now they are overprotective; now they somehow care.

How about Chat control 2… I mean 1, which they again try to recover and reinstall.

I would understand all these problems the EU is talking about if they would be fair in other ways too.

 

[BaldiMac]

And look at how many people want to tear the American system down because it isn’t perfect. And look at how many people want the same opportunity for all. Tearing the system doesn’t afford that. It seems people want the US to be socialist and ignore the voting process in the middle and get their vision or nightmare of nirvana.

The politicians and their supporters who thrive on division in this country want to push this false dichotomy between capitalism and socialism. In reality, the US already has always had socialism mixed in with the capitalism. Post office, fire departments, law enforcement, defense, education, etc. Some would have you believe that 12 years of education is America, but 16 years is communism. And some believe if you oppose a specific regulation, you're a corporatist that doesn't care about people. We just need fewer ideologues who believe in one solution for all of our problems.