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China is a very competitive market, and Samsung is doing great there. I don't think Apple has a chance to expand in China with current products. Apple could be successful there if they produce iPhone with larger screen and lower the price.

Many people like their phone small so that they can carry it around freely.
 
Many people like their phone small so that they can carry it around freely.


Get a grip mate, my main phone is a iphone 5 atm but ive used several phones with bigger screen and i was able to carry those "freely" and millions do it everyday :-/
 
Get a grip mate, my main phone is a iphone 5 atm but ive used several phones with bigger screen and i was able to carry those "freely" and millions do it everyday :-/

The debate regarding smaller vs. bigger phones is pointless IMO. Both have pro's and cons. E.g. iPad vs. iPad Mini. Ultimately each person has different needs and at present Apple is simply not catering to those people who would rather just have one medium to large sized phone instead of a small phone AND tablet. I suspect Apple have been planning on releasing larger AND smaller versions of their flagship iPhones simultaneously for years but have been holding back long enough so that iPad Mini has as much market penetration as possible before cannibalising it. I personally would love a larger iPhone as the only thing I use an iPad for is reading. My phone and Mac are better experiences for everything else. The Chinese publics desire for larger phones is clear and Apple should respond in 2014.
 
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What, only incredibly optimistic? Tim Cook can't be very happy about this. :/

Seriously though; if any man will do it, this is the guy that will cause inflation to exclamations.
 
I don't know. Seems like Apple is a very expensive player in a market that does not have lots of money.

Ask again in a month and we will know more.
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Tim Cook the beancounter is always "incredibly optimistic" or "extremelly proud" about everything. Does he really think people are so naive as to not see his melodramatic commentary for the corporate-speak marketing BS that it is?

It's true... he isn't as 'real' as Steve. Everything's amazing to him even when it's simply not good enough by Apple standards.

Steve wouldn't have let Apple get this way...
 
It's true... he isn't as 'real' as Steve. Everything's amazing to him even when it's simply not good enough by Apple standards.

Steve wouldn't have let Apple get this way...
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Fixed it for you...
 
Apple will plateau soon. There is not that many more major markets Apple is not already in, to enter.

North Korea will eventually be a market. :D

It might take a few decades, and a couple of Nuclear Wars. But the West will be triumphant, and we will force the Democratic Way of Life, Starbucks, and Apple Stores upon them, over their dead bodies if need be!
 
I don't know. Seems like Apple is a very expensive player in a market that does not have lots of money.

Ask again in a month and we will know more.

There's a ton of rich people in China. There is a ton of poor people in America. China is not a third world country as much anymore as they want everyone to believe. They fight for the status of poor and third world, ironically. Have you seen New Orleans? Detroit? New Mexico? Plenty of poor people here.
 
I wonder if Apple will give the Chinese Government the same access to iPhone data that they gave tithe NSA?
 
It's true... he isn't as 'real' as Steve. Everything's amazing to him even when it's simply not good enough by Apple standards.

Steve wouldn't have let Apple get this way...

OK, I'll bite... let Apple get what way? Don't leave us hanging.
 
China is a very competitive market, and Samsung is doing great there. I don't think Apple has a chance to expand in China with current products. Apple could be successful there if they produce iPhone with larger screen and lower the price.

Most expect apple to add between 15-30 million new iphone customer due to the china mobile deal (in 2014)...That is a good start (Something like 33% increase in iphone sales from last year iirc)..This is just the start. I agree with the larger iphone, yet i think it would be pointless to have resisted a larger phablet for years and then turn around and offer one that is essentially a scaled (up) version of your current phone and/or that does pretty much what other phablet on the market do. Lowering the price is also something that i really do not think is an option for apple. Apple is great at creating new products that are extremely desirable and therefore command a premium in the market..The desirability of the iPhone is still there and it is still in the top end of its premium category..A larger phone in my opinion should include unique UI and features which set it apart from competition and lower priced iPhones and that would allow apple to command a higher price for it. This has how it has always been for apple. Apple has taken Windows and PC head on while never having a sub-1000 $ Laptop and they have never dominated these devices in the PHC segement (marketshare) but have themselves continued to grow..Apple's business model has not been as much about market share (acheived by any and all means) but more about selling a small (er) linup of products in extremely large quantities..

The debate regarding smaller vs. bigger phones is pointless IMO. Both have pro's and cons. E.g. iPad vs. iPad Mini. Ultimately each person has different needs and at present Apple is simply not catering to those people who would rather just have one medium to large sized phone instead of a small phone AND tablet. I suspect Apple have been planning on releasing larger AND smaller versions of their flagship iPhones simultaneously for years but have been holding back long enough so that iPad Mini has as much market penetration as possible before cannibalising it. I personally would love a larger iPhone as the only thing I use an iPad for is reading. My phone and Mac are better experiences for everything else. The Chinese publics desire for larger phones is clear and Apple should respond in 2014.

The thing with larger screens is functionality..What does apple do? Do they just scale up the iphone? Or should the re-invent the phablet and offer a fresh "apple" take on the entire phablet expereince? In my opinion apple should introduce a dedicated phablet around 5.5 inches with both a S and a C model. Price the S model at around 400$ Subsidized and the C at 300$..The regular iPhone can then be scaled up to a 4.5 inch size or so that does not change the physical dimensions of the handset from the previous generation. Apple almost has to offer a unique UI for a tab device as they have had plenty of time to see what the market has (galaxy note family, G2 , One Max etc) and what they can do different to really boost up sales in this category...Isnt this how apple has alway done it? i.e. Seen the category grow in size, then done their own TAKE on a product and all of a sudden the market seems to get an injection of nandrolone and blows up in size and score.

There's a ton of rich people in China. There is a ton of poor people in America. China is not a third world country as much anymore as they want everyone to believe. They fight for the status of poor and third world, ironically. Have you seen New Orleans? Detroit? New Mexico? Plenty of poor people here.

China is a developing country and has its plusses and negatives, just like anyother developing or developed country..
 
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Why carry a Phablet when the iPad mini is even bigger and therefor better? Any coat pocket that you can put a Phablet into will probably also have pocket that can hold a Mini. Heck, you can put a mini in your back pocket of your jeans. Though be careful to remove before sitting down.
 
The debate regarding smaller vs. bigger phones is pointless IMO. Both have pro's and cons. E.g. iPad vs. iPad Mini. Ultimately each person has different needs and at present Apple is simply not catering to those people who would rather just have one medium to large sized phone instead of a small phone AND tablet. I suspect Apple have been planning on releasing larger AND smaller versions of their flagship iPhones simultaneously for years but have been holding back long enough so that iPad Mini has as much market penetration as possible before cannibalising it. I personally would love a larger iPhone as the only thing I use an iPad for is reading. My phone and Mac are better experiences for everything else. The Chinese publics desire for larger phones is clear and Apple should respond in 2014.

Some good points...
I (just like everybody else here), have NO idea what has delayed Apple from introducing a larger screen iPhone so long... If I had to hazard a guess- I'd say that at 1st it was Steve's insistence that 3.5" was a "perfect" size, then I'd guess that they probably wanted to figure out some value added feature that would ONLY be available on said larger phone (a la Samsung's s-pen). The only thing I disagree with you about is the opinion that Apple has this product ready & has been purposely holding back for an idiotic reason as "not wanting to impact iPad mini market share". Lol, the sales & profit from iPhones are STAGGERINGLY higher than that of the iPad. That would be financially incompetent. I honestly, do not subscribe to any of the theories that Apple cripples their products to bilk customers... This is MUCH too competitive a market for that to be a sound strategy. I believe that they try to get out their product as quickly as they can perfect them.
 
Why carry a Phablet when the iPad mini is even bigger and therefor better? Any coat pocket that you can put a Phablet into will probably also have pocket that can hold a Mini. Heck, you can put a mini in your back pocket of your jeans. Though be careful to remove before sitting down.

Because the Ipad Mini cannot make calls...It is too big to be used right next to the ear as good as other large screen phones (phablets) that are designed with calling in mind...I think 5.2-5.5 would be a perfect size however it must include a different UI and features that fully utilises the added real estate..IOS8 should take care of that !

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Cook starts to get boring with his "amazing", "fantastic", "transcendental" and other (.“We're going to double-down on secrecy. I'm very serious about this -- double-down.”
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Propose some innovation, especially with the iPhone which has practically the same aspect since iPhone 4, and admit that you've made some mistakes (iOS7 UI :mad:....) rather than throwing people out like Forstall who worked on iOS since the beginning....
No wonder many leave Apple to join Google or else...
 
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