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FWIW I'd like to see a small iPod just for music, low capacity (4GB) with BT and WiFi (iTunes Match, anyone?). I'd keep it plugged in to my stereo, and pop it in my pocket for the gym. `Bluetooth in the car is a bonus.

Sure, it's niche, but I like to keep my iPhone on me, not permanently attached to my stereo.

The iPod could still work for me, but I doubt it will happen. I'm pretty close with the nano 6th gen, but it would be nice to access iCloud.
 
And most of them are being connected to iPhones. Yes, iPods are a rapidly shrinking niche market.

It's cause and effect. The iPod is shrinking because Apple are not managing it well. Why buy a 64GB iPod touch when you can buy a 64GB iPhone (for 3x the price). Yes I can see that. So why not make a 128GB or 256GB iPod touch. Why not make it a 5" screen. Differentiate it from the iPhone. People are not going to buy the iPod touch instead, they probably buy both. Or if necessary make a smaller 5" iPad to replace the iPod touch. I don't care what they call it.
 
It's cause and effect. The iPod is shrinking because Apple are not managing it well. Why buy a 64GB iPod touch when you can buy a 64GB iPhone (for 3x the price). Yes I can see that. So why not make a 128GB or 256GB iPod touch. Why not make it a 5" screen. Differentiate it from the iPhone. People are not going to buy the iPod touch instead, they probably buy both. Or if necessary make a smaller 5" iPad to replace the iPod touch. I don't care what they call it.

A 5" screen iPod Touch? Hmm.. I think that's called an iPad Mini (Retina) or just an iPad. Lol.

Before iPhone, there was a music boom. The niche product was the iPod. Now that the boom is over, demand for physical storage or a singular device that only does one thing is not that great. People want an all encompassing device. Ala - iPhone or iPad or iPod Touch. For me, I have maybe 50 songs on my iPhone if that. The rest, I stream. I am sure a lot of people are like that. Then there are the die hards that are wanting 128gig phones to store their ENTIRE music collection. A rare breed when it comes to the consumer. Especially when everything is cloud based now.

It was a nice run while it lasted but it makes sense.
 
It's cause and effect. The iPod is shrinking because Apple are not managing it well. Why buy a 64GB iPod touch when you can buy a 64GB iPhone (for 3x the price). Yes I can see that. So why not make a 128GB or 256GB iPod touch. Why not make it a 5" screen. Differentiate it from the iPhone. People are not going to buy the iPod touch instead, they probably buy both. Or if necessary make a smaller 5" iPad to replace the iPod touch. I don't care what they call it.
I'm sure they plan to transition the iPod to a wearable it's the next logical step
 
Obviously it was no secret the iPod has been a declining business for years. I think what Cook was telegraphing was that Apple views the iPod as a dead product walking. It's not going to EOL the line until is costs more to make than to sell, but just the same it's no longer going to update the line. What we have now with the entire line is similar to how the Classic was "frozen in time" when the nano and touch took off.

There are reasons to own an iPod but I don't think anyone has a reason to update annually like we use to and that is where sales take a nose dive. Also while people may have a reason to own an iPod they don't have a reason to own multiple iPods anymore.

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I'm sure they plan to transition the iPod to a wearable it's the next logical step

The problem with that is you'd have to use BT headphones to be practical. I think the iPod stays as-is in the product line. Perhaps Apple adds BT to the nano to connect with a wearable, but I don't see a wearable as a good music player.
 
Don't want an iPhone. If the discontinue the iPod Touch that is one more Apple product I'm not spending money on. Cook just doesn't get it.

Cook just doesn't get what exactly? Did he say they are discontinuing the iPod touch, and I missed it?
 
I held out with a classic for a very long time but once I got iTunes Match, I gained the ability to access my entire iTunes library from anywhere. So then I sold the iPod.
 
I had to drop back to my Gen2 Nano because I was tired of having to take my Touch out of my pocket to look at the controls at the gym. Sometimes I miss the little "wheel" of the older iPods.
 
A 5" screen iPod Touch? Hmm.. I think that's called an iPad Mini (Retina) or just an iPad. Lol.

Before iPhone, there was a music boom. The niche product was the iPod. Now that the boom is over, demand for physical storage or a singular device that only does one thing is not that great. People want an all encompassing device. Ala - iPhone or iPad or iPod Touch. For me, I have maybe 50 songs on my iPhone if that. The rest, I stream. I am sure a lot of people are like that. Then there are the die hards that are wanting 128gig phones to store their ENTIRE music collection. A rare breed when it comes to the consumer. Especially when everything is cloud based now.

It was a nice run while it lasted but it makes sense.

Agreed that there are many people going that route and it's growing which is why portable music players are going the way of the dinosaur. It'll take time for that to happen though. There are some really good free music streaming services. I now prefer that as there is variety and it's FREE. I no longer or rarely buy music. Don't need to.

If you are going to stream while on the go, you need data so a smartphone is the logical choice. The iPod and MP3's had a good long run but times change. At least Tim Cook sees that.

He's not saying the product line will be eliminated but there's not going to be a lot of resources put into it at the rate it's declining.
 
The iPod Touch is great, but it is too close to an iPad in price.

Here in Australia, the iPad mini (with Retina) is almost twice (1.92 times) the price of an iPod Touch:

iPod Touch 16GB: A$ 249
iPad mini Retina 16GB: A$ $479

That's a significant price difference.

In the US though, I see the value shifts slightly towards the iPad, which is 1.74 times the price:

iPod Touch 16GB: $229
iPad mini Retina 16GB: $399

Still, I think the iPod Touch has its place, typically as a great music and games device for kids. It's also a pretty decent communications device when wi-fi is available.

I'd be very disappointed to see it dropped when none of Apple's other products offer the same combination of mobility (pocket sized) and price.

Agreed that there are many people going that route and it's growing which is why portable music players are going the way of the dinosaur. It'll take time for that to happen though. There are some really good free music streaming services. I now prefer that as there is variety and it's FREE. I no longer or rarely buy music. Don't need to.

If you are going to stream while on the go, you need data so a smartphone is the logical choice. The iPod and MP3's had a good long run but times change. At least Tim Cook sees that.

You've just justified a huge increase in the cost of hardware and services to support that 'free' music service. Not quite so free now is it.

If you already need a phone with a decent chunk of data, then sure, go ahead and stream all your media. But that isn't the ideal or most cost effective solution for everyone, so talk of media players with local storage 'going the way of the dinosaur' is premature at best.
 
iPod classic should be replaced with high-capacity (128GB and 256GB SSD) iPod Touch, or make the current one ultra-thin with SSD drives.
 
iPod classic should be replaced with high-capacity (128GB and 256GB) iPod Touch.

But it doesn't have the click wheel. Part of the Classic ease of use is because of the click wheel. This is why I have never liked using my iPhone as an iPod in the car and have always used my Classic. I don't need to look at a screen to pause, skip or go back a song or two or even rewind a bit.
 
It's cause and effect. The iPod is shrinking because Apple are not managing it well. Why buy a 64GB iPod touch when you can buy a 64GB iPhone (for 3x the price). Yes I can see that. So why not make a 128GB or 256GB iPod touch. Why not make it a 5" screen. Differentiate it from the iPhone. People are not going to buy the iPod touch instead, they probably buy both. Or if necessary make a smaller 5" iPad to replace the iPod touch. I don't care what they call it.

Bottom line - most people do NOT want to carry two extremely similar devices. They want a phone. And they want a tablet. They do not want a phone-sized tablet and a phone. Most people DON'T a need to have their entire 256GB music collection with them at all times.

Apple understands their market a lot better than you do. You're making the understandable mistake that what you want is what the mass market wants. It's not. It's not even close.
 
Nothing wrong with cannibalization by your own products. The iPod ran its course.

Umm, people seem to be overlooking that iPods are still doing upwards of $5 BILLION in sales according to that chart. Sure, they might scale back on marketing them, but there are still plenty of people for whom an iPod Touch provides most of the functionality of an iPhone at a tiny fraction of the cost.
 
The nano and shuffle will likely just coast indefinitely, keep selling them but no updates other than maybe capacity. The big question is the iPod touch. At $299 the touch is the same price as the non retina iPad mini. Is there really enough of a market for the touch, or would most potential customers just get the mini instead.

Honestly if I were Apple and I thought the touch was worth keeping around (and honestly, there might not be enough demand for a "tablet" the size of a phone), I would redesign and rebrand it into an iPad micro (5 inch), including an option with cellular data. That's really more of what it is anyway.


Don't want an iPhone. If the discontinue the iPod Touch that is one more Apple product I'm not spending money on. Cook just doesn't get it.

He doesn't get what? He didn't say they're discontinuing anything, just that it's a declining market.

And they'll discontinue the iPod touch for the same reason any company would discontinue any product, if it's not selling enough. At this point I would think most potential touch customers would be looking at the iPad mini anyway.

Steve Jobs would have seen opportunity to do something drastic to revive the iPod.

Steve did see an opportunity to revive it, and he did that years ago. He added a phone to it.

They can keep selling the same designs as long as sales are enough, but spending much on updating or redesigning would be money down the toilet (at least beyond bumping capacity). The decline is because more and more people are getting smart phones and they consider a dedicated mp3 player redundant functionality and something extra to carry around. There will probably be people for a long time who want a small music player for things like exercise so we'll probably see at least one model continue for a long time. But for the most part there's nothing to be done about the decline. Other than happily taking the money from people buying more expensive iPhones instead.

Does it matter that these people are not a mass market? I would argue that the MBP or Mac Pro is for a minority of people. But Apple still do it because it's profitable and because it brings wealthy people into their ecosystem.

The MBP and MP aren't declining like the iPod is. And the iPod is the cheapest product Apple makes while the MP is the most expensive. There's also zero evidence that the typical iPod customer is a "wealthy person".

Why buy a 64GB iPod touch when you can buy a 64GB iPhone (for 3x the price).

The real question for many customers is why buy ANY iPod when you can buy a phone that includes the same functionality? Most people want to carry around one device. Period. For many of those people, there's nothing that can be done that would make them buy a music player when what they really want is a phone.
 
I think the reason maybe because of the pricing of iPods
the iPod Touch is more expensive now than it was
i would have bought the 32gb Gen 5 if the price were just as the 16gb one
 
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Since Steve Jobs died Apple doesn´t care for the iPod anymore.

Wrong. The decline of iPod sales is because Apple came out with a more appealing (and more expensive) product. The death of Jobs is irrelevant, that it happened during the decline of iPod is nothing more than coincidence.
 
There will be an iPod market for the foreseeable future with pre-teens who are not allowed to have phones yet.
 
I can see why you would be frustrated, but I don't think they would ever axe the entire iPod line. They are just stating that it's a declining category for them but it's still making them money. It just hasn't hit a stable bottom yet.

They will most definitely continue this category, I have no doubts about that. There is a market for iPods/Touch in various areas like fitness, secondary device just for the car, individuals that don't want to buy the iPhone for iOS, etc. They might not refresh it quite as often like the iPhone but the lineup will continue. They might even trim down the line to a select few, but guaranteed the iPod Touch will be available as long as the iPhone is around, like you said it is training wheels for the iPhone.

I'm not a fan of this. I'm 13, can't get an iPhone, have no reason to get an iPhone, but I like iOS, and the iPod touch seems to be on the chopping block as more and more kids just get iPhones. Even Steve Jobs said that the iPod touch was just training wheels for the iPhone, and so when kids just get iPhones instead, the iPod touch is basically selling 0 units. So....If the iPod touch doesn't survive until I get a driver's license and have a reason for a phone (GPS plus contact with my Mom) I'll basically be boned. I'm not really angry with apple or saying that they should keep the iPod touch for 1 person, I'm just saying I'm kinda screwed. And also iPods are just generally cool, I love the things for some reason.

And I think that the iPod Classic can really only be discontinued if they bring out a similar capacity iPhone or iPod touch, my Dad's entire music library doesn't even fit on 64GB (He has tons of albums, and also 320Kb per second files) so really the only thing he CAN use is an iPod classic.
 
There will be an iPod market for the foreseeable future with pre-teens who are not allowed to have phones yet.

And that market is served just fine by continuing to sell existing models without bothering to redesign or update them. Or even consolidate the line. I could see them going down from four models of iPod but not dumping all of them for a long time.
 
It's because they never released bigger capacities. I would buy another iPod if they had a 500GB version that ran iOS 7... in a heartbeat!! I know a lot of people who would love to have all their music on a device. Maybe even a 1TB or 2TB one. Have all my hires photos on there. It doubles as a portable storage unit for my iPhone. People would love to have all their FLAC audio etc.

Apple can just be so stupid. They take features away from popular software and ruin it, like with Pages for Mac, iMovie for Mac, Final Cut Pro, etc. They remove optical drives and remove the ability to put hard drives in their pro computers. They fail to release anything past the 160GB iPod. And then they wonder why it's tanking? Give me a break!
 
And that market is served just fine by continuing to sell existing models without bothering to redesign or update them. Or even consolidate the line. I could see them going down from four models of iPod but not dumping all of them for a long time.

Depends on the future features included in iOS. For example, if that was true in the past and if something like imessage or facetime was not available for the iPod, it would certainly devalue the product significantly.
 
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