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I'll bet this is a big reason why iphones are so expensive. It makes me wonder about buying a very expensive Pixel phone AND subsidizing Google's advertising model, seems to me they are double dipping.
Yeah just like apple taking billions from google is double dipping
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Oh, yay. More dialogs when you turn on a fresh device!

Give us a break. It’s trivial to change your search engine. Save your disdain for google and facebook.

So why not start with DuckDuckGo as default search engine? Because 9billion is more worth to apple than your privacy.
 
As much snark as will come from this, I personally wouldn't rank another company higher than Apple for data privacy.

There are always mistakes, but at least they try to keep your data private and it's one of their company messages.

A lot of these other tech companies make no effort to pretend they care about your privacy.

While I completely agree, what I keep in the back of my mind is that at some point, this will change.

At this point, people pay a premium for Apple products, which gives them the leeway to at least pay lip-service to privacy. The moment Apple products become less profitable, be it through market pressure or through Apple's own ****ups (see Butterfly keyboards), they might turn on a dime and get some of that sweet Big Data money.
 
As much snark as will come from this, I personally wouldn't rank another company higher than Apple for data privacy.

There are always mistakes, but at least they try to keep your data private and it's one of their company messages.

A lot of these other tech companies make no effort to pretend they care about your privacy.
Well if the try, that's all right then.
 
Once Timmy opens his mouth something happens to Apple, he seems he never learned. Next thing another bug or another app exploiting people and then he becomes tight lip never admit to anything and act like nothing happens.
 
I trust people. But when it comes to (profit-orientated) companies it’s more a question of whom I mistrust the least. They don’t value me as a person but only as a paying customer. Therefore there is simply no basis for mutual trust.
 
As much snark as will come from this, I personally wouldn't rank another company higher than Apple for data privacy.

There are always mistakes, but at least they try to keep your data private and it's one of their company messages.

A lot of these other tech companies make no effort to pretend they care about your privacy.

You've never used a proper Linux or BSD distribution then. Even the commercial Open Source platforms fully respect your privacy, and if systems offer services that might collect your data to actually be able to provide that service, they fully (!) inform you upfront about the implications.

So, once again, Apple just excels at marketing, not at actually delivering the goods.
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There are still around 7 billion people not in Europe or the u.s.

Yeah, but let's face the reality: Those 7 billion people live in regions where Apple is not necessarily a company that people buy products from. And if they buy Apple, the privacy of their health care data won't even appear on their radar screen.
 
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Privacy? Really? Who needs that!


My phone can fold in half! Take that, Apple!

Piracy?
Oh, nevermind :)
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Exactly, and Apple, as far as I know, is the only company that allows the user to select DuckDuckGo as the default search engine, which, to my knowledge, is the best at privacy and not tracking.

Speaking of, I just opened DuckDuckGo on my phone and saw this:

My default for years now :)
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It really is getting old. These forums are infested with cynicism. There is literally nothing Apple can do right, other than charge less for their products than everyone else, and even then, they’d be accused of falling behind hardware wise. I’m actually puzzled why this website has so many active cynics.

MacHaters.com I think
 
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It really is getting old. These forums are infested with cynicism. There is literally nothing Apple can do right, other than charge less for their products than everyone else, and even then, they’d be accused of falling behind hardware wise. I’m actually puzzled why this website has so many active cynics.
It it’s core I don’t think it’s too puzzling. Being provocative and stirring up agitation makes one feel important. Muckraking has a long tradition. Some Apple criticism is fair but most here is silly, and probably designed to annoy.
 
Life taught me that there is nothing "secure" -AND- "online"
eventually it will leak or someone is going to hack it.

That being said, I still rather pay for a higher priced Apple product for the extra privacy over buying cheaper(or free) products from other tech. giants and pay the difference by selling my life.
 
Life taught me that there is nothing "secure" -AND- "online"
eventually it will leak or someone is going to hack it.

That being said, I still rather pay for a higher priced Apple product for the extra privacy over buying cheaper(or free) products from other tech. giants and pay the difference by selling my life.

Offline isn’t that secure, either.
 
You've never used a proper Linux or BSD distribution then. Even the commercial Open Source platforms fully respect your privacy, and if systems offer services that might collect your data to actually be able to provide that service, they fully (!) inform you upfront about the implications.

So, once again, Apple just excels at marketing, not at actually delivering the goods.
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Yeah, but let's face the reality: Those 7 billion people live in regions where Apple is not necessarily a company that people buy products from. And if they buy Apple, the privacy of their health care data won't even appear on their radar screen.
Yeah, love that Linux smartphone. edit: We don't trust Google. That's the problem, so don't come back saying Android is based on Linux.
 
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AND? We all know that, but how is Android for security if it's being implemented by Google? You trust Android because it's built on Linux? Who cares?

No, I don’t trust android. I don’t trust linux. I don’t trust windows. I sort of trust Solaris. I trust VMS, because VMS is swell.
 
While I completely agree, what I keep in the back of my mind is that at some point, this will change.

At this point, people pay a premium for Apple products, which gives them the leeway to at least pay lip-service to privacy. The moment Apple products become less profitable, be it through market pressure or through Apple's own ****ups (see Butterfly keyboards), they might turn on a dime and get some of that sweet Big Data money.

But they already do. They don’t merge with Chinese government just for fun. 0% Tax easy acces to large market and other perks made them give up all privacy and give over iCloud infrastructure to the totalitarian Chinese government and implement social scoring.

This is much more dangerous than making money from data aggregation and advertising.
Private companies can not throw you in a prison, enslave and execute you if you speak out against them. The Chinese government will do exactly that with dissenters.
 
I'm not a big fan of Tim Cook, but I have to say the success of the watch has happened under his reign and he can be proud of it.
 
It's funny to see people contort themselves to be AGAINST privacy just because Apple is for it. That's so completely pathetic. Humans who worship companies, like Google-bots and Samsung-bots are terrible excuses for humans.
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But they already do. They don’t merge with Chinese government just for fun. 0% Tax easy acces to large market and other perks made them give up all privacy and give over iCloud infrastructure to the totalitarian Chinese government and implement social scoring.

This is much more dangerous than making money from data aggregation and advertising.
Private companies can not throw you in a prison, enslave and execute you if you speak out against them. The Chinese government will do exactly that with dissenters.

You have zero data to back up that insane assertion. Merge with the Chinese government??? Please provide proof for that.
 
HIPAA doesn’t apply in most of the world.

Nor does HIPAA apply to the patient. You are welcome to rent a billboard and post your medical information on it. So once the provider transfers that info to you, it's not anyone else responsibility to keep it private. Just like if I hand you a printout of your medical records and you lose it in the parking lot, it's your fault and not a HIPAA breach.
 
Nor does HIPAA apply to the patient. You are welcome to rent a billboard and post your medical information on it. So once the provider transfers that info to you, it's not anyone else responsibility to keep it private. Just like if I hand you a printout of your medical records and you lose it in the parking lot, it's your fault and not a HIPAA breach.

Exactly. Which is why it’s important that when apple is acting as your agent or providing you devices to hold your data, that they’ve built in safeguards.
 
Didn't another article on this very same blog mention something about EFF being outraged that iCloud backups aren't securely encrypted so that only the user has access to them.
 
There's a difference between hunting and patching security holes, and saying "you gave up your privacy when you signed up for my services, deal with it".

apparently you have no idea about the issue - it wasnt batching security holes... but rather as you said by yourself ”you gave up your privacy...” via appstore.
 
"People will look at this and feel that they can trust Apple,"

.... unless you use iCloud backups.
 
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