What higher end laptops (the core i7 type) have oled displays, cellular chips, accelerometers, digital compass, SIM cards etc? That’s what you are paying for.
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Tim Cook on iPhone Prices: 'We Want to Serve Everyone'
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Your philosophy makes sense if you accept Apple’s pricing policy without question. If a person decides something costs too much money they look elsewhere. It does not mean they can or can not afford the item, for some they decided the product was not worth the money Apple is asking. It’s called value.
In the past I have paid Apple prices without question. Hard to put a price on something new and innovative. The Apple of the last few years has me questioning the value of their products.
Reminds me of the Oscar Wilde quote about knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing.
When you say older, older implies hardware more than 5 years old. So your iPhone 5 and earlier is going to start to be picked out if the newest apps.
As far as slowdowns, yes and no, it depends. Starting from the 5s, ios 12, should mitigate most of what some complain about.
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Good post, I’m not questioning the value of Apple products I’m questioning the price, just like I question the price of the galaxy note 9 and how high these products can go. I know full well the value of these products to me.
I went to preorder the max but I didn’t quite push the button due to the price, but I probably will later today.
Older meant any device that is not the latest. Not the iPhone 5. I've been down this path trying to outsmart Apple by purchasing a less than latest generation handset and I faced these problems. YMMV.
By purchasing later, you are supporting the ridiculous higher prices.
If you do not agree, then do NOt buy it. Vote with your wallet. That will make a statement.
I do vote with my wallet and as I said haven’t pushed the button but probably will later today.
I liked it when Apple was the computer company for the “odd ones”. Now they’re a souless luxury phone company that can’t figure out how to re-release a Pro computer.
You’re right. So therefore I have redone my financial plans.
However, it appears that even the cheapest iPhone currently runs me into the same considerations.
Note: hyperboles have become a necessity to get the sheepiest of sheep into thinking.
Apparently, they work
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We should vote with our wallet. I'm glad to see all the new Xs expect for the Max 64GB are still available for pickup on day one. It didn't happen last year and in the past, so either they have large inventories or people are not willing to spend that much for a phone. It may very well mean they're waiting for the Xr, we'll find out in a month. But it would be good anyway, I really hope the less expensive model outsells Xs and Max.
As for me, I'm a developer so I need to buy a new phone.This year notch phones will be everywhere and I want my primary device to be the one similar to what the market is, I didn't buy the X but this year I'll either buy Xr or Xs, I haven't decided yet.
If I wasn't an iOS developer I would have quit buying iPhones I guess, or I'd buy previous models at lower prices points.
Xr will definetely outsell the Xs and X max models due to price points. I do believe that people is not willing to spend $1400 for a phone. And comedian Tim Cook said he wants to cater everyone... LOL
Apple has become a phone luxury brand rather than a computer company.
So sad
For someone that has all those top tier business and law grades you show an amusing lack of understanding how the sales channel and product transitions work.
You think apple is the first company to stop a product after a year?
You think it even matters that a product stops after one instead of three years? Where are your tears for the killing fields of iphone SE, iphone 6S and every other iphone Apple stopped production for?
You think shops stop buying stock of previous generations?
You think a company wont plan their production to align with expected demand? Or a product transition they know months in advance?
And most importantly, have you ever realised the switch for iPhone X wont be a hard one? It will be sold in many countries around the world for many months to come, making a soft product transition very manageable.
Truthfully, you keep on harping about product destruction and recycling as if the factory producing them at full capacity got a panick call from the COO after he saw Tim announce the XS on stage.
Man they should have shorter communication lines down the campus! That thing is huge.
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Do not suggest. He might ‘fix’ that.
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Option to do quick charge if you pay for it. Option to use a wireless headphones but we include a lightning headphones instead. Option to use your old headphones if you buy adapter. Apple is so generous. They give us many options.
I agree with you. It’s about value. My point is that a huge part of an iPhone’s value is in the software, and I can have substantially the same user experience with a much less expensive and older model iPhone running the same OS and Apps. I mean these are just pocket computers, and they really aren’t going to change my life. They all do pretty much the same stuff. I can afford to buy any phone I want, but I wont buy something that doesn’t represent a good value to me. So, I stick with the older models because the price premium for the latest tech just isn’t worth it to me. Someone else might feel completely differently. They might be willing to spend a greater portion of their income on new tech for a wide variety of reasons.....that’s not really for me to judge.....and Apple is certainly willing to accommodate them.
Are you serious? The component costs,of iPhones are significantly lower than of a MacBook Pro.
Yes I’m serious. Are you? Do you have the component costs for each platform?
Reminds me of the Oscar Wilde quote about knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Two of my favorites:
"A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally"...
and:
"Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes"...
I would have payed for iCloud anyways as I like knowing my data is safe.
I am not saying 64 is enough for everyone, I’m just saying it’s way enough for me and I hope they keep that option (more storage for the same price would also be ok but i don’t want to bay the premium)
i just go out and bought myself an iPhone SE from ebay, good job Apple for ignoring the small phone market!
Selling 2 year old phones as a cheaper option is lame. Apple should be doing better than that. A few years ago, the entry price point would have gotten someone a new (for that year), entry level iPhone, rather than a 2 year old entry level iPhone. I understand that there is a huge market in older iPhones (especially when new ones come out) and that Apple has monetized that phenomenon with their "line up." But, it's totally lame because they use those options to provide price points that rationalize the ramping up of prices on the other end of the line up. We are like frogs in water that is getting hotter and hotter, until eventually we're Cooked (see what I did there?). It's obvious that Apple will do well, regardless, however. People will continue to buy their phones in record numbers. I'm not one of the SE fanatics, but as a lower-priced model with newer innards, it equates more with the kind of offering Apple should be making at the lower end, rather than two year old phones. This issue is especially relevant, given Apple's propensity to phase out newer iOS versions for older models of iPhones (4-5 years, depending on the model)...
I get why people think these phones are too expensive. But this is the reality. It's 3 dollars a day. For the value it provides in your life, it worth that. And as this poster points out, many of us waste much more than that daily. Also a point that does not get considered is that you are buying into the Apple ecosystem in that cost. That has value as well. Sure they should give you more than 5GB of iCloud for free. But come on 50GB is 99 cents a month. that's 3.3 cents a day.
I know a number of people who are wait staff in various restaurants. They make around 25K to 35K a year. All of them have an iPhone. It's affordable, if you want it to be. If your an Apple fan, I think you would be happy that unlike in the past we don't have to worry anymore about Apple going bankrupt.
I'm not sure what Apples thoughts are with an SE sized model. I'm thinking an SE2 may be announced along with new ipads.
Maybe you can clarify your comments on what you meant that apple will "phase out neer IOS versions for older models". It's no secret that apple provides 5 years of ios updates for a given hardware generation? Does android provide 5 years? Are you saying 5 years of ios updates is cheap on apples part?
So I understand your phone size situation. But the market has shifted. Apple has responded to that shift. The reason is Video. No I don't watch all of my video on a 5 inch screen. But many of people do. A growing number. In the future I believe you will see Apple move more and more to the services market. Video is going to be a very big part of that. Apple wants to replace your cable company. That's another reason for the increasing in screen sizes. I get that you don't like it and your likely not going to be doing it, but Apple like every company must balance different things for many customers. Today in the world a 4 inch screen no longer makes sense for the majority of customers. In the future it will make even less.
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Yes. But in our world of today, many don't understand value. They think that value and price are the same thing. They are not. If one thing is great and has a price that is above the average market price, and another thing is not so great and is priced a low price, that thing is not a good value. Because while you pay less you get so much less. Now I bet you understood that before I said it. But too many people today do not. Here in the US I blame that on Wal-Mart. Who pushed from the beginning "always the low price" . Yes for junk. That's not a good value.
Here is a real world example of the iPhone's value. I was talking to a Realtor who serves only very high net worth clients. She has hundred of customers private contacts on her phone. Including many famous people. She has an Android phone. I was talking to her about why she should change to the iPhone. (her young son wants one, and Mom will have to change too.) So I asked her this question: What would happen to your business if you downloaded one of the many apps in the Google Marketplace, that sucks up your contacts and pushes them over to the developer with out your permission? Answer: I would be out of business instantly. Right- So how does the value of that iPhone look now?
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They have left that business. Of course they don't want to announce that, but we all know it's true. HP and Dell are the ones still in that business. They have amazing products and are ready to serve you. But they don't serve the odd people. Just the ones making money.
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You are referring to Apps reported in the Google Play Store that contain Malware. Minimal exposure.
Many Apps I use now on iOS ask for access to contacts. You have to be careful to make sure you decline all requests to use your contacts. Happens on iOS all the time. Then if you visit a malicious website on either OS you can be compromised. Open an email, you can be compromised on either OS.
There are risks on any platform. I read they found 38 malicious apps on the Play Store hiding in apps like games, etc. How many real estate agents with "High Net Worth Clients" are downloading questionable games that contain Malware? I am sure their valuable time servicing "High Net Worth Clients" excludes them from trivial things like playing games. I am not convinced. You are trying to influence somebody’s phone choices by interjecting your own personal opinion.
https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2018/05/08/ios-phishing-malware/
https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/apple-battles-app-store-malware-outbreak-a-8538
https://us.norton.com/internetsecur...nfects-millions-of-apple-store-customers.html
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7882854
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34338362
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But you are missing the point. That example is still a good value to someone who doesn't want to spend a lot of money. I worked with someone who refused to spend more than $49 on a tablet so she bought one at Walmart for that price minus her 10% employee discount. Guess what she loves it and wouldn't consider anything else. So there is value in that device to, HER.
It's no different to someone who finds value in a $1500 iPhone Xs Max. If someone finds something that has a useful purpose why spend more than $49? If someone finds a useful purpose in a $1500 iPhone why not buy it. It all centers around someone's perceived definition of value. There is no price that's too low or too high that is wrong when it comes to value.