Tim Cook on What He Would Do in Mark Zuckerberg's Shoes: 'I Wouldn't Be in This Situation'

[Bacillus]

I forget. Did throttling the battery undermine democracy? Or was it just an engineering choice that they should have told us about that annoyed a few people?

Rather democratizing as it enables customers to contribute as much as they want for getting a basically equal experience (across iP7, iP6, iP5 and less)

But the question you seem to evade in a typically Cookesque manner was: why include iPhone 7, a 1 year old phone that even could not have a degraded battery in throttling practices ?

 

[chucker23n1]

According to Tim Cook you're not paying for iCloud mail, Apple Maps, Carplay, etc.

You absolutely are. Apple's revenues are almost entirely in hardware sales. You're paying for Apple's software largely by buying hardware.

so you're not the customer but the product.

There isn't even an ad-supported version of Apple Music. Apple's business model is clearly vastly different from Google's or Facebook's.

 

[Bacillus]

I forget. Did throttling the battery undermine democracy? Or was it just an engineering choice that they should have told us about that annoyed a few people?

Those flaws weren't compared, only demonstrate the lack of moral superiority on either side.
It's only appeasers that seek to compare the bad with the worse

 

[Michael Goff]

Rather democratizing as it enables customers to contribute as much as they want for getting a basically equal experience (across iP7, iP6, iP5 and less)

But the question you seem to evade in a typically Cookesque manner was: why include iPhone 7, a 1 year old phone that even could not have a degraded battery in throttling practices ?

Bad algorithms.

Those flaws weren't compared, only demonstrate the lack of moral superiority on either side.
It's only appeasers that seek to compare the bad with the worse

No, it’s also people with logic that don’t like false equivalency. And as long as all Cook does is minor annoyances, he has all the moral superiority over a guy that built a company that undermined democracy. There is zero comparison. What you’re trying to say is the guy who gave somebody a purple nurple can’t talk about the guy that poisoned a well because they both did bad things.

 

[I7guy]

Those flaws weren't compared, only demonstrate the lack of moral superiority on either side.
It's only appeasers that seek to compare the bad with the worse

Maybe in your book (and to those who dislike Apple) installation of power management = release of information from 50 million customers, but I’m guessing, not in most peoples’ book.
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Rather democratizing as it enables customers to contribute as much as they want for getting a basically equal experience (across iP7, iP6, iP5 and less)

But the question you seem to evade in a typically Cookesque manner was: why include iPhone 7, a 1 year old phone that even could not have a degraded battery in throttling practices ?

From the iPhone 6 going Forward this is the defacto standard.

 

[Bacillus]

Bad algorithms.
No, it’s also people with logic that don’t like false equivalency. And as long as all Cook does is minor annoyances, he has all the moral superiority over a guy that built a company that undermined democracy. There is zero comparison. What you’re trying to say is the guy who gave somebody a purple nurple can’t talk about the guy that poisoned a well because they both did bad things.

Bad algorithms in some wicked minds you mean.
Let Cook, the proclaimed provisioning genius, concentrate on how to provision his Airpower mat promised 1/2 a year ago instead of criticising Chinese (while still doing business with them) and criticising FB (while still publishing their app)
Principles for sale, that is.
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Maybe in your book (and to those who dislike Apple) installation of power management = release of information from 50 million customers, but I’m guessing, not in most peoples’ book.
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From the iPhone 6 going Forward this is the defacto standard.

Hyperbole fluff and nonsense answer respectively (as the real answer doesn’t fit your stance)

 

[Abazigal]

According to Tim Cook you're not paying for iCloud mail, Apple Maps, Carplay, etc. so you're not the customer but the product.

These services are paid for through the hardware you purchased.

But go on, continue to misrepresent Apple. You aren't fooling anyone.

 

[Mr. Heckles]

These services are paid for through the hardware you purchased.

True, the only work around to make an iCloud email is to use a friends Apple product. It’s not like you can get an iCloud email without buying anything from Apple, unless that changed.

 

[I7guy]

Bad algorithms in some wicked minds you mean.
Let Cook, the proclaimed provisioning genius, concentrate on how to provision his Airpower mat promised 1/2 a year ago instead of criticising Chinese (while still doing business with them) and criticising FB (while still publishing their app)
Principles for sale, that is.
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Hyperbole fluff and nonsense answer respectively (as the real answer doesn’t fit your stance)

You said the above and it’s applicable to all of your posts as well. The real answer is Cook is doing a good job managing Apple after Steve. The real answer is that there will always be something to criticize about CEOs leading their company. The real answer is the hyperbole has been elevated to a fine art around here.

 

[Michael Goff]

Bad algorithms in some wicked minds you mean.
Let Cook, the proclaimed provisioning genius, concentrate on how to provision his Airpower mat promised 1/2 a year ago instead of criticising Chinese (while still doing business with them) and criticising FB (while still publishing their app)
Principles for sale, that is.
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Hyperbole fluff and nonsense answer respectively (as the real answer doesn’t fit your stance)

What? I think you just want to hate on Tim Cook. That’s fine and all, but sometimes there isn’t much of a reason. The algorithms were bad because they were rushed.

 

[deanthedev]

No, it’s also people with logic that don’t like false equivalency. And as long as all Cook does is minor annoyances, he has all the moral superiority over a guy that built a company that undermined democracy. There is zero comparison. What you’re trying to say is the guy who gave somebody a purple nurple can’t talk about the guy that poisoned a well because they both did bad things.

This is so typical when people look for reasons to bash Apple. A few more examples would be:

• Apple collects user data. Google collects user data. Therefore they are both equal in how much data they collect and what they use it for.
• iOS gets malware. Android gets malware. Therefore they are both equal in terms of your chances to get malware.
• iOS issues regular security updates. Google issues regular security updates. Therefore they are both equal in terms of how quickly consumers get security updates.

Rinse and repeat.

 

[Bacillus]

What? I think you just want to hate on Tim Cook. That’s fine and all, but sometimes there isn’t much of a reason. The algorithms were bad because they were rushed.

As tech researchers found out, the throttling algorithms apparently were designed to be model specific, dimensioned to ignite throttling at miscellaneous battery levels, and to act incongruously under similar circumstances.
Which all makes it (coincidentally, of course...) harder to detect.
Now that sounds more like meticulous design than “rushed out” - which actually sounds like PR spin (did Apple ever say that anything iOS-related was rushed out ?)
This is very typical to corporate PR: spin the smaller lie, to conceal the bigger one.
And deflect attention by falsely pointing at others, as “Hate” is something different than criticism.
BTW. I don’t hate Tim Cook, I only observe the hypocrisy in his & Apple behavior - with all the fluff that comes at cost of Macbook and iPad innovation.

This is so typical when people look for reasons to bash Apple. A few more examples would be:

• Apple collects user data. Google collects user data. Therefore they are both equal in how much data they collect and what they use it for.
• iOS gets malware. Android gets malware. Therefore they are both equal in terms of your chances to get malware.
• iOS issues regular security updates. Google issues regular security updates. Therefore they are both equal in terms of how quickly consumers get security updates.

Rinse and repeat.

Similar as above: great generalisation to avoid issues at stake.
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You said the above and it’s applicable to all of your posts as well. The real answer is Cook is doing a good job managing Apple after Steve. The real answer is that there will always be something to criticize about CEOs leading their company. The real answer is the hyperbole has been elevated to a fine art around here.

Reducing the attention span to his “great job” as a mere generalisation of a financial aspect, that “great job” will certainly come out. Great job, arguing...

 

[I7guy]

As tech researchers found out, the throttling algorithms apparently were designed to be model specific, dimensioned to ignite throttling at miscellaneous battery levels, and to act incongruously under similar circumstances.
Which all makes it (coincidentally, of course...) harder to detect.
Now that sounds more like meticulous design than “rushed out” - which actually sounds like PR spin (did Apple ever say that anything iOS-related was rushed out ?)
This is very typical to corporate PR: spin the smaller lie, to conceal the bigger one.
And deflect attention by falsely pointing at others, as “Hate” is something different than criticism.
BTW. I don’t hate Tim Cook, I only observe the hypocrisy in his & Apple behavior - with all the fluff that comes at cost of Macbook and iPad innovation.


Similar as above: great generalisation to avoid issues at stake.
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Reducing the attention span to his “great job” as a mere generalisation of a financial aspect, that “great job” will certainly come out. Great job, arguing...

Well I agree “great” is an opinion. so is “hypocrisy “, depending on your own personal line in the sand. As for the future, I’m not betting Apple will implode under cook or anyone else.

 

[25ghosts]

Facebook steals and sells your data. However, Google is much, much worse: it is the NSA on steroids.
I wish Congress would investigate Google also

hmmm.... why are everyone so after Facebook and what they do, epscially those living in the united states whic has CIA, FBI and an abundance of other three-letter organizations which do nothing BUT collect information about people on a much broader scale than Facebook. Latter which NO ONE force anyone to use.

Why are US Citizens condoning that while hating on Zuckerberg ?

 

[izyreal]

'the next'? when has Apple been hacked. I'm not talking about idiot celebrities and their assistants falling for a phishing scheme. I mean Apple established and run servers getting a brute force intrusion
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Celebs falling en masse to a coordinated phishing scheme is a legitimate breach of Apple's security architecture which which has since been addressed through two-factor authentication and stronger password requirements. It does not matter to Apple's customers if their data was obtained by brute force, phishing, or (as is seems to be the case of the celebrities) through poor password recovery security.

With that said, my central point still stands. I trust Apple to respond appropriately to security breaches. They have proven themselves trustworthy enough to answer my natural suspicions.

 

[kdarling]

Alas, in the end, people are STILL going to use Facebook and Google in significant ways. Free is simply too good to pass up. People complain about ads, IAP, DLC, but they don't put their money where their mouths are at and still watch ads via free streaming services, play freemium/free-to-play games, etc.

Not to mention that most people use ad-supported, thus free-to-the-user, forums (including this one) to decry ads and proclaim their dislike of tracking. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Mind you, some of us remember how much we used to spend to access forums on places like CompuServe. People today would freak at paying like $10 an hour to read and post. Seeing ads is an infinitely less expensive way to go nowadays. Although it also allows access to far more kiddies.

 

[Bacillus]

Well I agree “great” is an opinion. so is “hypocrisy “, depending on your own personal line in the sand. As for the future, I’m not betting Apple will implode under cook or anyone else.

Agree it won’t. But it has been degrading mentally for a while in it’s transformation into a mass provisioning vehicle / electronics supermarket of markets.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

hmmm.... why are everyone so after Facebook and what they do, epscially those living in the united states whic has CIA, FBI and an abundance of other three-letter organizations which do nothing BUT collect information about people on a much broader scale than Facebook. Latter which NO ONE force anyone to use.

Why are US Citizens condoning that while hating on Zuckerberg ?

Law enforcement is quite different to some crank billionaire using his companies and connections to troll farms to twist the minds of electorates.

 

[I7guy]

Not to mention that most people use ad-supported, thus free-to-the-user, forums (including this one) to decry ads and proclaim their dislike of tracking. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Mind you, some of us remember how much we used to spend to access forums on places like CompuServe. People today would freak at paying like $10 an hour to read and post. Seeing ads is an infinitely less expensive way to go nowadays. Although it also allows access to far more kiddies.

There’s a world of difference between throwing ads in my face and tracking my movements across the web and then using it against me. Or collecting my data and giving it to anyone who asks. Not hypocrisy at all as claimed.

Compuserve was great, but the world changed and moved on. World is constantly changing; to borrow a Quote.
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Agree it won’t. But it has been degrading mentally for a while in it’s transformation into a mass provisioning vehicle / electronics supermarket of markets.

Might have started in 2010 to your point. I always thought “you’re holding it wrong” was a pivotal point in the downward spiral of Apple.

 

[deckard666]

I'm always wary of the cheapest or free option tbh - Generally good stuff / service costs and I would rather pays the money and get a better or best service. YMMV.

 

[25ghosts]

Law enforcement is quite different to some crank billionaire using his companies and connections to troll farms to twist the minds of electorates.

If a government employee is ordered by his organ to steel your wallet - does that make him/her less a thief than someone who acted on their own ?
[doublepost=1522763120][/doublepost]... with regards to caring

In this Article Tim Cook portrays Apple as being a Company who cares for their users. If they care so much for their users why are their Software becoming buggier with every release. Why Does every new release contain documented bugs dating back as far as 2014 ? It is not like their products are cheap. So if they really did care - they could easily fix all the known bugs in macOS and iOS. So I'd say that Tim Cook should put his money where his mouth is and prove (beyond shiny devices) by fixing his software(s) that Apple really cares.

And - if caring were judged by how good a service work and/or how little bugs that service has - Facebook would be a clear winner. Their services (yes they are simpler) work more as advertised than those of Apple's.

 

[kdarling]

There’s a world of difference between throwing ads in my face and tracking my movements across the web and then using it against me. Or collecting my data and giving it to anyone who asks. Not hypocrisy at all as claimed.

Nobody involved in ads is giving data away. That would entirely defeat the purpose of selling anonymous ad slots.

As for tracking your movements and "using it against you", who is doing that? The ad sellers are simply looking for ways to increase the value of their targeted slots. Even Apple advertised that its ad slots are well targeted due to the data they have.

Now, if you're talking about government tracking, they don't need ads to do that.

 

[I7guy]

As for tracking your movements and "using it against you", who is doing that?

Facebook.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

If a government employee is ordered by his organ to steel your wallet - does that make him/her less a thief than someone who acted on their own ?

I don't have time to debate with this type of weirdness.

 

[25ghosts]

I don't have time to debate with this type of weirdness.

Nothing really weird about it. Your comment suggested that it is ok for your government but not for a Crock Billionaiere to steel your wallet. In either case the thing is gone. Why only gripe about it in the case of the billionaire.