Good apology attempt but false. Jailbreaking is exploiting a security vulnerability.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Tim Cook on What He Would Do in Mark Zuckerberg's Shoes: 'I Wouldn't Be in This Situation'
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Good apology attempt but false. Jailbreaking is exploiting a security vulnerability.
I guess you didn’t know that before the data goes to Google servers (or Amazon or S3) that it gets split into chunks, encrypted and THEN stored with no user-identifying information (to paraphrase the iOS Security White Paper).
So explain to us how Google can do anything with this data when they don’t know what it is or who it belongs to.
[doublepost=1522268406][/doublepost]
A vulnerability that requires user cooperation. Still a vulnerability but nowhere near the same magnitude as an exploit that can get your data without your cooperation. Or worse, a company giving out your data without needing any kind of exploit.
Wrong. Jailbreaking occurs because jailbreakers find a security exploit. Apple does not want anyone jailbreaking their devices they are certainly not cooperating with Jailbreakers. And there are there are jailbreakers that have malicious intentions as well with the jailbreaks they release.
You asked for proof of something of Apple's being breached and I gave it to you even though it wasn't the reason I liked the original post and wasn't the same as asking for proof of what bad things Google was doing with user data.
[doublepost=1522268841][/doublepost]
A vulnerability is a still a vulnerability. End of story.
That's the thing, isn't it?
I do trust Apple that they aren't willingly giving information about me away, but data breeches do happen and they can happen to anybody, even Apple.
Apple is a major target, exactly because they are promoting the whole 'Your data is safe with us' idea, you can bet that there are hundreds of people currently working on compromising them.
Not the same as a zero day vulnerability through Safari; try as one might to make them equivalent.
Apple is in an insanely positive position that they actually give a crap about peoples' privacy, even if you think it's just lip service. Google, Facebook, and even Amazon made hundreds of billions in market cap by selling its users information.
There is something to be said that although the most profitable company in the world (by far), Apple made its money in a more dignified manner. Selling hardware and software people actually want and supporting it.
There is something to be said that although the most profitable company in the world (by far), Apple made its money in a more dignified manner. Selling hardware and software people actually want and supporting it.
But how would you monetize it?
Most people clearly aren't willing to pay for the service, so you have to find another way.
Non-targeted ads aren't worth much these days, so they have to be targeted which means harvesting customer's data...
It's pretty much the only way to make a profit with social networks.
It doesn't mean everything is perfect. He's conveying the position and philosophy of the company, which is his job.
So all vulnerabilities are equal?
I never said Apple cooperates. I said the user cooperates. Of course Apple plugs exploits that allow jailbreaking because they are, well, exploits. But they are at a completely different level from a drive-by zero day exploit.
As much as I despise some of Apple's crap, this is probably the biggest reason I still us an iPhone. I've ranted against google and android before and was made to feel as if I was a conspiracy theorist. Well lookie lookie, all my phone/text info collected from android to facebook. I still think there are unseen ramifications from giving all your info to a company that makes most of it's money from...your info. It's all a question of what they can get away with, and I'm sure Facebook saw the risk but the bean counters and actuaries advised them they would still make much more money even if they were outed. And they were right. Mark my words, in a month or 3 no one will even be talking about it. Trumps hair will blow in the wind again and the news will be all over that, and we all know how little the average citizen cares about their privacy. Everyone will be right back to facebook.
Not everyone fall for the lies. What else are they giving out?
https://theintercept.com/2016/09/28...sage-contacts-and-may-share-them-with-police/
Wait, wait, wait. You’re telling me that Apple follows the law?! Those monsters!
There is a difference between privacy and security. Nobody would claim that their stack is 100% secure -- Tim isn't making that claim either. Facebook wasn't 'hacked' -- they *gave* the data away. That's the problem.
You can laugh all you want at Apple's stance on privacy, either because you don't believe them / think its a marketing gimmick or you disagree with the position entirely -- but people who do that have never written a single damn line of code in their lives and have literally no idea what they're buying or how it works. Tim Cook is right. Apple, at least the Apple we know today, would never never be in this mess. If you disagree then you are, as they say, "talking out of your ass"
This x1000. Think about Google and Apple.
Google makes its money off something people hate and try to avoid (ads). It’s why people install ad blockers or PVR their shows so they can skip commercials.
Apple makes money selling products people actually WANT to buy/own.
Which business model is stable and which could be ruined overnight by something as simple as a new ad blocker that was 100% effective or government regulations on data gathering?
So Apple can track numbers. If he read the document he would have seen that the contents of any sent messages CAN NOT be accessed. Just numbers of people you MAY have had a conversation with (they can’t even confirm IF you had an actual conversation). So Apple gives police with a court order a “contact list” of people on your phone. Oh the horror.
That doesn't prevent other companies or governments from doing similar things.
I don't use facebook.
Thank you, Tim Cook. His statement is not only a repudiation of Google and Facebook, but of Microsoft as well. Users of Windows 10 have been up-in-arms about Redmond's data collection sleaziness. I actually have to install third-party software on my Windows 10 installation to disable (mostly) Microsoft's telemetry.
And even if it were true, it would still not be relevant to this thread, because this is NOT about security issues.
People are supporting Cook? What’s up with that? I read here everyday that he doesn’t have a clue and needs to be fired. I’m confused.
Apple as a very hard "public" stand on privacy. Behind closed doors they are accepting billions of dollars from the worst offenders like Google (for making them the default search engine on Safari), which we found out during an unrelated Oracle trial. God only knows how much Apple is being paid by Facebook for integrating it into iOS.
well, for starters, iOS 11 no longer has native facebook support... so I'd guess $0?
People are also forgetting that Apple relented to moving user data to China so Chinese government can have full access. Do you expect a used car salesman to tell the truth?
From his part, Zuckerberg would never be in the position of piling truckloads of spurious cash, by slashing customers with recycled iPads, obsolete computers and unavailable Airpads - while constantly pointing at others
Last edited:
this is an idiotic position. this applies to Chinese users only, and it's true for literally every web service available in China.