You're the only one talking about technical product managers. If the person I was having the discussion with has moved on, maybe you should too.
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You're the only one talking about technical product managers. If the person I was having the discussion with has moved on, maybe you should too.
The discussion is about Apple's neglect of macOS in favor of iOS. No one mentioned Android. I don't use Android.
The discussion is about RSU shares of stock to Tim Cook. And yes, Android was mentioned.
Google is only an advertising company if you ignore entire swaths of their business and Amazon is only a retail business if you ignore entire divisions within the firm. Since both of them are worth around 750 billion, I’m going to bet they’ve got it figured out. And funnily enough, Bezos wrote a famous letter to investors explaining that short term profit was not Amazon’s goal and he didn’t care what shareholders thought as long as they made a great product.
The same tired old ridiculous talking points. As if people who didn't work specifically for Foxconn would have starved otherwise. Because Foxconn is the only employer in China, right?
Since there are no stats for such things, I can only guess the suicide rate in China before the industrial revolution was a lot lower. I don't recall reading about suicide nets along the Great Wall.
I didn't say anything about them not figuring it out, they are both good companies. Advertising is 90% of Google's revenue, they are an advertising company. In regards to Amazon, they have a successful cloud service and they are an online retailer. Echo's definitely have a lot of market share, but I view success as profit over marketshare. They don't make much money off Echo's, they are more for collecting info and selling you more products. Hey, if you're a big supporter of these businesses, have at it. It's just my opinion.
Wait, you are saying, Apple is the only company in the world to use manufacturing facilities outside of the United States? Oh wait...But still the question is not answered, only deflected with some nonsense about Foxconn.
No I'm not saying that. Where did I say that? Try responding to what I actually said instead of creating a straw man.
Actually you created the straw man and please try to answer the question, unless you don’t want to.
Actually you created the straw man and please try to answer the question, unless you don’t want to.
What straw man did I create? And what question are you talking about?
No, not just Foxconn. Since the 70's, every major company based in USA, Japan, Western Europe, etc., whether they sell discount smartphones, sheet rock or stationary, provide jobs in China (and other third world countries) to the unwashed and hungry poor under conditions that might look "posh sterile" inside the factories, but have slave labor standards. Their living conditions outside those factories are just slightly better than the Russian and German labor camps of the early 20th century - they get to eat, some of it even protein.
I don't recall reading any stats from China that was reliable regarding living standards to date - wasn't quoting suicide rates then and now, because there aren't any. I might as well believe North Korean statistics.
Why would you guess that the suicide rates in China were better before the "industrial revolution" when you challenge my statement that they were worse?
I don't base a country's overall living standard on the satellite they succeeded in sending to Mars (India) or the number of bullet trains they built in the last two decades (China), especially if they are not "open to the world public" media.
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I was addressing your comment regarding your definition of a "tech product" -- the mere fact that services are "tech" products. The discussion you have with said person has no bearings with our discussion here. If you can't handle a discussion on a message board, the easiest solution for you is to just not post.
Amazon considers the individual components of the AWS cloud services as products: https://aws.amazon.com/products/
If you read their product descriptions they use terms like SaaS not SaaP. So they are selling a product that used a service, I guess.
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Seems like these are the same tired, old talking points as well. As if it’s apples doing that China has a huge outsourced manufacturing business model.
I’ve handled it just fine. I understand what the word product means. Moving on.
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Ah, I see why we disagree. You’re evaluating Cook’s contribution as a manager while I’m considering his contribution to the brand’s evolvement. You’re praising him for his supply chain, retail, and Wall Street accomplishments. As a customer, I couldn’t care less about those things. My concern is: what is Apple doing for me?
Jobs’ legacy isn’t limited to his respect within business circles. His focus inspired many circles and impacted the world. Cook’s legacy will be a chapter in a business school textbook.
As a customer I am praising Apple for producing quality products that fit my needs and I enjoy using. As a shareholder I praise cook for where he took the company in 7 years. As an outside observer I praise cook for his supply chain and retail accomplishments.
You over-value jobs and under value Cook is my opinion.
There was no mention of Android in the discussion between me and DNichter. We were arguing about iOS vs macOS for productivity when you quoted me asking what's different on Android...