Tim Cook Poised to Receive Around $120 Million in Apple Stock as Tenure and Performance Award

[ipponrg]

When I think of tech companies, I don’t think of Amazon as an innovator in any way

So AWS is not innovation? Okay.

 

[DNichter]

So AWS is not innovation? Okay.

I don’t consider it a tech product, no. A solid service, yes. The conversation was around tech products, consumer products.

 

[Detnator]

I’m not angry over the Mac, I just dislike people who moan and complain about those who are. Especially when they do not know the ‘facts’. iOS apps need Macs, that’s a fact today and will continue to be so for the foreseeable future, maybe one day Apple will make iOS be as powerful as OSX and allow it to make iOS apps, but that’s nothing more then assumptions and guessing.
All your comment does is provide further evidence of exactly why Apple needs to improve and update its Mac range, for all those app developers.
And that’s another reason why Cook isn’t worth all those stocks IMO.

Oh I see. So today’s Macs are not adequate enough for building iOS apps then...?

 

[ipponrg]

I don’t consider it a tech product, no. A solid service, yes. The conversation was around tech products, consumer products.

I see. You’re confusing the term. It’s a tech product. You’re actually talking more about consumer devices.

 

[DNichter]

Oh I see. So today’s Macs are not adequate enough for building iOS apps then...?

I’ve kept asking the same question. Are today’s Mac’s incapable of being productive machines? I haven’t really gotten a so

I see. You’re confusing the term. It’s a tech product. You’re actually talking more about consumer devices.

No, we just disagree. That’s okay too.

 

[Defthand]

Cook was responsible for the fortunes apple has today. Apple didn't get that way because customers were driven away in droves. Cook is a legend in his own right. And who knows, in 2018 Apple may have fallen on it's face with Jobs at the helm. You can't say that isn't a possibility.

I disagree. Cook is riding a wave started by his predecessor. People aren’t buying Apple’s products because of sales incentives or Cook’s world views. They are buying Apple’s products for one of three reasons: loyalty and past experience, the OS and ecosystem, brand status and recognition. All of these are the consequences of historical decisions that occurred prior to Cook’s reign. If Cook’s talent and contribution had anything to due with the brand’s appeal, we would have heard examples in recounts of the brand’s history.

 

[DNichter]

I disagree. Cook is riding a wave started by his predecessor. People aren’t buying Apple’s products because of sales incentives or Cook’s world views. They are buying Apple’s products for one of three reasons: loyalty and past experience, the OS and ecosystem, brand status and recognition. All of these are the consequences of historical decisions that occurred prior to Cook’s reign. If Cook’s talent and contribution had anything to due with the brand’s appeal, we would have heard examples in recounts of the brand’s history.

I get your point and I don’t necessarily think it’s all Cook, but customers have to be happy with their products right? I mean millions of devices don’t just sell based on brand name alone. People like their products.

 

[ipponrg]

No, we just disagree. That’s okay too.

It's actually not OK that you are spouting false information. Educated opinions are one thing, but being stubborn is another. If you want to be stubborn about it, then please feel free to state.

Technology products is a very broad term. Just about everyone in the tech industry acknowledges Amazon as tech. Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook, and Apple are some of the most sought tech companies for technology graduates and professionals for employment. Most if not all products delivered by tech companies internally or externally are various forms of a "technology" product because they have had various technologies applied during their development into fruition.

Netflix's core product is their streaming service.
Microsoft's core product before services was Windows OS.
Amazon's underrated product that people forget about is Amazon Web Services.
Facebook's product is its social platform.
GoPro's product is their camera.

 

[I7guy]

I disagree. Cook is riding a wave started by his predecessor. People aren’t buying Apple’s products because of sales incentives or Cook’s world views. They are buying Apple’s products for one of three reasons: loyalty and past experience, the OS and ecosystem, brand status and recognition. All of these are the consequences of historical decisions that occurred prior to Cook’s reign. If Cook’s talent and contribution had anything to due with the brand’s appeal, we would have heard examples in recounts of the brand’s history.

I disagree. To see how easy it is to:
- buy strategic acquisitions
- develop new products
- increase the valuation of your company more than twice
- increase your services revenue
- plus more

As a thought experiment find a company that would appoint you CEO and go ride some coattails, it’s easy peasy. I’ll check back in 7 years.

 

[DNichter]

It's actually not OK that you are spouting false information. Educated opinions are one thing, but being stubborn is another. If you want to be stubborn about it, then please feel free to state.

Technology products is a very broad term. Just about everyone in the tech industry acknowledges Amazon as tech. Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook, and Apple are some of the most sought tech companies for technology graduates and professionals for employment. Most if not all products delivered by tech companies internally or externally are various forms of a "technology" product because they have had various technologies applied during their development into fruition.

Netflix's core product is their streaming service.
Microsoft's core product before services was Windows OS.
Amazon's underrated product that people forget about is Amazon Web Services.
Facebook's product is its social platform.
GoPro's product is their camera.

I gave my opinion. Yours no more valid than mine, and vice versa. I don’t consider a cloud service a tech product. It’s more of a back end enterprise service in my eyes. Look up the meaning of product and service and you’ll get it figured out. Move on.

 

[Abazigal]

For my opinion, apple has the best ethos for all of the phone manufacturing companies, but you have to be happy and okay with your tech life.

Good luck. I'm not sure you will be missed, however, by Apple.

People enter and leave the ecosystem all the time. Not sure why they have to sound like they have been living in the matrix all this while and have only just woken up when it comes to Apple.

 

[Hanson Eigilson]

I gave my opinion. Yours no more valid than mine, and vice versa. I don’t consider a cloud service a tech product. It’s more of a back end enterprise service in my eyes. Look up the meaning of product and service and you’ll get it figured out. Move on.

AWS is a cloud computing service, part of the value is from the actual server farm, but far more (if you compare prices) is from the technologies used to develop and manage those computing resources, and they are by far the most sophisticated provider in their field, if that does not qualify as tech i'm not sure what does.

 

[Soccertess]

A monkey? If it was that easy, you could do it. So I’ll wait here patiently while you take Cooks easy peasy formula, execute it and make your company 1T.

Done. absolutely. Could never do what jobs or Elon have done, but you would be surprised what someone could do if you gave them the most valuable brand in the world, 200 billion cash reserve, army of techs, and an awarding winning line up of products. Oo, and then throw in 2 billion new customers in Asia that were perfect for targeting. Most people could get results

You forget that TIM doesn’t have a formula, he inherited the golden goose from jobs!!!!

 

[DNichter]

AWS is a cloud computing service, part of the value is from the actual server farm, but far more (if you compare prices) is from the technologies used to develop and manage those computing resources, and they are by far the most sophisticated provider in their field, if that does not qualify as tech i'm not sure what does.

It’s tech for sure. Obviously. I just don’t look at it as a tech product. A product is an article or substance that is manufactured or refined for sale. People are really having a tough time with understanding what the word product means.

 

[Substance90]

Isn't ROI the main purpose of running a company? They make the best computers in the world, they fit in your pocket. With the best sales numbers and customer satisfaction in history, maybe they aren't the problem? Maybe those stuck in the past will simply be left behind.

WTF are you smoking? The best computer in the world on which you can barely be productive beyond writing emails and scheduling meetings. Who do you think writes all the software for your iOS device? People on Macs.

 

[DNichter]

WTF are you smoking? The best computer in the world on which you can barely be productive beyond writing emails and scheduling meetings. Who do you think writes all the software for your iOS device? People on Macs.

Depends on the person and task I suppose. I manage a team of 60 people and my girlfriend is a graphic designer and we each use just an iPhone and an iPad. I’ve considered moving everything I do to an X Plus only, but I need to see what the split screen is like. Is it great for operational tasks? Not the best, no, but I don’t think it needs to be. Leave the grunt work to more traditional computers and those that prefer them. Macs will always be valuable, they just won’t be nearly as prevalent as mobile. That’s true today, shown by the hundreds of millions of people buying iOS devices. And yes, the iPhone is an extremely impressive pocketable computer. Best is subjective so I’ll give you that, but that’s my opinion. It’s okay we disagree.

 

[Substance90]

Depends on the person and task I suppose. I manage a team of 60 people and my girlfriend is a graphic designer and we each use just an iPhone and an iPad. I’ve considered moving everything I do to an X Plus only, but I need to see what the split screen is like. Is it great for operational tasks? Not the best, no, but I don’t think it needs to be. Leave the grunt work to more traditional computers and those that prefer them. Macs will always be valuable, they just won’t be nearly as prevalent as mobile. That’s true today, shown by the hundreds of millions of people buying iOS devices. And yes, the iPhone is an extremely impressive pocketable computer. Best is subjective so I’ll give you that, but that’s my opinion. It’s okay we disagree.

So you're able to be productive with a smartphone just because other people do the actual work on actual computers (the 60 people you manage). That's good for you but you basically confirmed my point – an iOS device is only good for email and scheduling (e.g. management type work).

 

[I7guy]

Done. absolutely. Could never do what jobs or Elon have done, but you would be surprised what someone could do if you gave them the most valuable brand in the world, 200 billion cash reserve, army of techs, and an awarding winning line up of products. Oo, and then throw in 2 billion new customers in Asia that were perfect for targeting. Most people could get results

You forget that TIM doesn’t have a formula, he inherited the golden goose from jobs!!!!

As I said, go do it. I’m looking at you soccertess.
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So you're able to be productive with a smartphone just because other people do the actual work on actual computers (the 60 people you manage). That's good for you but you basically confirmed my point – an iOS device is only good for email and scheduling (e.g. management type work).

And what exactly is done on an android device that is so different?

 

[DNichter]

So you're able to be productive with a smartphone just because other people do the actual work on actual computers (the 60 people you manage). That's good for you but you basically confirmed my point – an iOS device is only good for email and scheduling (e.g. management type work).

No I am productive on my iPhone and iPad regardless of any other work being done behind the scenes. As I said, it obviously depends on the task, but I am able to do my job completely through just an iPad an iPhone. For example, I create and manage productivity reports (Excel/Numbers), create presentations (Powerpoint/Keynote), create and manage different marketing projects (Affinity Designer), manage contracts and compensation (Excel/OneNote), review new sales opportunities (Excel/Powerpoint/Word), handle FaceTime performance reviews, project management (OneNote/Asana), everything I need to do. Just because you aren't doing operational work, doesn't mean it isn't productive.

 

[ipponrg]

It’s tech for sure. Obviously. I just don’t look at it as a tech product. A product is an article or substance that is manufactured or refined for sale. People are really having a tough time with understanding what the word product means.

No, you clearly don’t work in tech and don’t understand what technical product managers are for. Product managers don’t always manage physically manufactured products. See my above examples.

Your definition of a product from your perspective is narrow minded from your personal experience which is not in tech. As someone that works in tech on products that you use on your devices, please don’t try to explain something you don’t know. It makes you lose credibility

 

[I7guy]

No, you clearly don’t work in tech and don’t understand what technical product managers are for. Product managers don’t always manage physically manufactured products. See my above examples.

Your definition of a product from your perspective is narrow minded from your personal experience which is not in tech. As someone that works in tech on products that you use on your devices, please don’t try to explain something you don’t know. It makes you lose credibility

Maybe you can explain what technical product managers do, since it's right on topic with the premise of the thread title. /s

And fwiw, throwing around insults doesn't bolster the argument at hand; it diminishes it.

 

[ipponrg]

Maybe you can explain what technical product managers do, since it's right on topic with the premise of the thread title. /s

And fwiw, throwing around insults doesn't bolster the argument at hand; it diminishes it.

What insults am I throwing here? Guy doesn’t work in tech and is trying to passively provoke debate?

You have even thrown around your experience for off topic comments so don’t try to lecture here

You’re right that this doesn’t have anything to do with the title, but I was responding to an original comment earlier which in itself was already strayed from the topic

 

[DNichter]

No, you clearly don’t work in tech and don’t understand what technical product managers are for. Product managers don’t always manage physically manufactured products. See my above examples.

Your definition of a product from your perspective is narrow minded from your personal experience which is not in tech. As someone that works in tech on products that you use on your devices, please don’t try to explain something you don’t know. It makes you lose credibility

Haha I know what the word product means. Any dictionary will help you out if you need it, you seem to be struggling a bit. You're simply arguing for the sake it, for who knows why. I am talking about a tangible product, not a back end service.

 

[ipponrg]

Haha I know what the word product means. Any dictionary will help you out if you need it, you seem to be struggling a bit. You're simply arguing for the sake it, for who knows why. I am talking about a tangible product, not a back end service.

Services are products. Look up technical product managers. It might not be in your dictionary because it’s a technical term.

I’ll help you out:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_manager

 

[I7guy]

What insults am I throwing here? Guy doesn’t work in tech and is trying to passively provoke debate?

You have even thrown around your experience for off topic comments so don’t try to lecture here

You’re right that this doesn’t have anything to do with the title, but I was responding to an original comment earlier which in itself was already strayed from the topic

Since the rabbit hole is deep at this point:
- questioning someones creds, could be considered to be an insult
- the question of what does a technical manager do, that may potentially not be a good fit with an iphone is at hand, which is what you haven't answered. Which I guess could loosely be related to sales and profits and the thread premise. Buts it's a tenuous link at best.