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Tim Cook Receives Bonus of $5 Million and Stock for Performance During Jobs' Absence
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Read post number 216 (scoobydoo99), his comment touches more on my statements. Certainly life is "unfair", but it is also [collectively] up to humanity to determine what life "is". Unfortunately, humanity isn't proving itself to be "humane".
This made me [even] sadder.People really do suck. It's moments such as this that make me want to live on an island, or shut myself away. Every time I hear someone who banters on about the "New World Order", I sometimes walk away wondering "what if?". Now, even more so...
A utopia would be one filled with aritificial intellegence or filled with artists and hippy musicians.
Sounds like an Apple ad
... and sounds good to me, I like artists, philosophers and "hippy" musicians. As a friend once stated, I'd rather be in a room full of hippy pot smokers than a room full of drunks...
How about a room full of artificial artists and artificial hippy musicians? Been there, done that, not fun. I hate pretenders.
Sounds like an Apple ad
Philosophy:
A bunch of guys in a room holding a skull asking why.
Starts playing Foo Fighters - The Pretender
Philosophy:
A bunch of guys in a room holding a skull asking why.
LOL Hey! I like philosophy
...although yeah, I see your point...
LOL Hey! I like philosophy
...although yeah, I see your point...
There was no real point.
Tim Cook
Wow this thread has become crazy,
I say again best of luck to Tim Cook, the amount is a lot but Apple obviously think that he is worth it - period.
I am very sad for the people in the US who curse and swear at the current administration in Pennsylvania Avenue - wow what a mess he inherited after eight years of anarchy. You used 9/11 and lies to enforce your will on Iraq when it was only oil and Saddam's renegading on a private deal with GB senior. You managed to become hated as a Nation for your bullying tactics, you have failed to keep up with the rest of the world, your electricity grid is archaic, you internal transport system is way behind Europe and Asia.
What happened to the American dream? There is no doubt that the US must take a great deal of responsibility for making the world far more unsettled than it was even in the cold war.
Why not all get together as you in the Disunited States need to be one united country not divided and squabbling, as the reality is that China owns most of your debt, so come on wake up to the fact that times have changed as has the power in the world.
As long as you carry on how you are now you will never recover.
Wow this thread has become crazy,
I say again best of luck to Tim Cook, the amount is a lot but Apple obviously think that he is worth it - period.
I am very sad for the people in the US who curse and swear at the current administration in Pennsylvania Avenue - wow what a mess he inherited after eight years of anarchy. You used 9/11 and lies to enforce your will on Iraq when it was only oil and Saddam's renegading on a private deal with GB senior. You managed to become hated as a Nation for your bullying tactics, you have failed to keep up with the rest of the world, your electricity grid is archaic, you internal transport system is way behind Europe and Asia.
What happened to the American dream? There is no doubt that the US must take a great deal of responsibility for making the world far more unsettled than it was even in the cold war.
Why not all get together as you in the Disunited States need to be one united country not divided and squabbling, as the reality is that China owns most of your debt, so come on wake up to the fact that times have changed as has the power in the world.
As long as you carry on how you are now you will never recover.
I was kinda, but its more.. damn I cant think of the word. Its like Satire but isnt used to ridicule.
Sounds like an Apple ad
LOL oh, the idealistic youth. If only you knew. And I say this as a 32-year-old, and even I feel
ld and wise" compared to some of the claptrap in this thread. Hate to break it to you guys, but many hippies beat their wives, cheated people out of money, hired the Hell's Angels to do security for their concerts, etc. etc. Be REALISTIC for just a SECOND instead of blindly idealistic. I believe in idealism, but for goodness' sakes, being a poor smelly hippy does not inherently make you a "better person" than a wealthy executive. And why all the vitriol for Cook, when Jobs is way more wealthy? Oh wait, Jobs was adopted, isn't that right? Made his own way, with a unique idea, and some zeal? American Dream I think it used to be called? Hate away on the folks who accomplish more than you ever will, but the REALITY is, folks who are born into poverty have more of a chance to strike it rich now, than at any other point of human civilization EVER. That is a FACT. Things might not be perfect now, but they're better now, in the US of A, than they have been for most of the several hundred thousand years people have been people. I call that progress.
LOL oh, the idealistic youth. If only you knew. And I say this as a 32-year-old, and even I feel
Umm, the Utopia stuff was a joke. I think you're showing your age.
LOL oh, the idealistic youth. If only you knew. And I say this as a 32-year-old, and even I feel
Sorry, as a 33 year old PhD student, I didn't read past your first sentence
. Assumptions never do any one any good. Besides, I have the sense that much of your post has been discussed by myself and others, idealistic, perhaps, but I always believe the world is what WE make it... oh and my comment you referenced was a joke, meant to lighten the mood of what has become an over serious topic. ridiculous
Top executive pay and bonuses are obscene. $100,000 would have been an awesome bonus and this guy gets 200 times that. Most people in the U.S. are lucky to earn a couple million dollars in their entire working life.
Top executive pay and bonuses are obscene. $100,000 would have been an awesome bonus and this guy gets 200 times that. Most people in the U.S. are lucky to earn a couple million dollars in their entire working life.
5 Mil is a lot, but at least Apple actually makes something. Unlike these guys that just push money around, crash financial markets, and run away 100's of millions for their trouble.
Understood but I wonder what the "low-life" regular employees at Apple think about a guy getting $20 million in cash and stock for six months of watching the store while Steve was away.
It really is insane and I think Apple should spread the wealth, including giving some of that 40 Billion hoard to the stockholders.
And if the shareholders disagree with it, changes will be made. But they are too busy still counting there money from last quarter so I doubt they mind.
But when Americas economy hits a pothole, you claim it is responsible to the rest of the world.
You dont think this healthcare policy will have economic impact? Naivete at its peak.
The government is at best an inefficient administrator. Most times when the government interferes with an industry (banking, housing, healthcare) they cause more trouble than they fix. What DOES the government do that is efficient and reliable? Not much.
Well, taking care of the very basic infrastructure of society...?
Nice thread this one. However, one thing that makes me kind of laugh and cry simultaneosly, is that quite many of you in the US seem to think that universal healthcare (or some variety of it that Obama is proposing) would make your country a socialist or even communist totalitarian state. Have you not ever heard of Scandinavia?
In Finland we have a universal health-care system available for all (really, all, not depending on their income). Our current right-wing government would be a little surprised to hear that they are running a socialist country
Of course, compared to the laissez-faire capitalism that some people in this thread have been defending, everything that is giving people not only negative rights ('freedom' as absence of coercion) but also positive, substantial rights ('freedom' as social and economic possibilities to really exercise their rights) can be labelled "socialist", and thus, as they think, "evil"... Yet I do not find that very convincing as an argument.
Back to the main subject, large bonuses: As a general idea, huge bonuses for some and nothing for gound-level workers is not good for the balance of societies. In Finland, the income gaps have been widening since the 1990s, yet they are still quite small compared to the US. This makes our country quite a peaceful place to live.
Affluence.
This is one of those examples of what's wrong with society today. I'm a 'HUGE' apple fan, but 20 million on TOP of his base salary(which is?) is more than excessive. The top guys sure take care of themselves but that's corporate culture.
I'm sure if someone was given a 27" iMac at work, they'd be more than happy.
In his case ... it's like he was given 10,000 of them.
20 million dollars. Say it slowly. It's such a different world than what most of us live in.
Affluence.
This is one of those examples of what's wrong with society today. I'm a 'HUGE' apple fan, but 20 million on TOP of his base salary(which is?) is more than excessive. The top guys sure take care of themselves but that's corporate culture.
I'm sure if someone was given a 27" iMac at work, they'd be more than happy.
In his case ... it's like he was given 10,000 of them.
20 million dollars. Say it slowly. It's such a different world than what most of us live in.
Affluence.
There are those of us who abhor US Imperialism abroad, but we really can't do anything about it. The fact is, US leaders have a policy of NOT allowing indigenous peoples (in the Middle East, Central America, or elsewhere) to control their own resources and governments. When necessary to ensure US access to resources or strategic regions, we will preemptively attack or covertly destabilize any sovereign state that stands in our way. And the corporate/political/media machine will ensure through propaganda that the people either don't know, don't understand, or don't care about the truth.
Look at the response of the American public when it became widely known that the Bush administration had gone to WAR against a sovereign nation that had NO WMDs, NO part in the 9/11 attacks, and in fact had NEVER been tied to any terrorist acts against American interests - they re-elected Bush!
And NO, I don't think Obama or anyone else is the answer - that's the point. There is no difference. Nothing really changes.
So, back on topic. No ill will toward Tim Cook - he's just partaking of what the system provides. I say party like it's 1999!
Da way the cookie crumbles.
Sadly, that's not really how things work. I've been in the 'big corporate' world for a while and and after 15 years of 'scripted' Annual General Meetings and generic deadbeat answers to questions like "Why are the bonuses so big", you know they won't change.
There's one airline in Canada that in a speech to our group stated that their philosophy is the top guy should/will not get paid more than 10 times the lowest paid. i.e. $35,000 -> $350,000. It's a start. In our company it's like $35,000 -> $10,000,000.
Even after the recession and banks / car manufacturers giving out obscene bonuses... things may NEVER change.
The rich get richer. That's America.
(Man I should get therapy cuz I feel so negative today! ;-))
Sadly, that's not really how things work. I've been in the 'big corporate' world for a while and and after 15 years of 'scripted' Annual General Meetings and generic deadbeat answers to questions like "Why are the bonuses so big", you know they won't change.
There's one airline in Canada that in a speech to our group stated that their philosophy is the top guy should/will not get paid more than 10 times the lowest paid. i.e. $35,000 -> $350,000. It's a start. In our company it's like $35,000 -> $10,000,000.
Even after the recession and banks / car manufacturers giving out obscene bonuses... things may NEVER change.
The rich get richer. That's America.
(Man I should get therapy cuz I feel so negative today! ;-))
Why argue about something that will never stop? The high tier of America will continue to get crazy bonuses and salaries no matter what all of you anti-capitalistic socialists think.
The wise would apply the phrase "If you can't beat em, join em" to their life instead of ranting about it hoping for a change that will never happen.
I hope this doesn't hurt your feelings too much.
The wise would apply the phrase "If you can't beat em, join em" to their life instead of ranting about it hoping for a change that will never happen.
I hope this doesn't hurt your feelings too much.
Philosophy:
A bunch of guys in a room holding a skull asking why.
Hamlet said:
woof!