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I think Tim is taking Steve's advice of not trying to be like Steve a little too far.
[doublepost=1473572717][/doublepost]But all joking aside, I think Tim thought the question was about mac 'n' cheese.
 
Stay tuned? What, for the removal of more features? For the continued slow metamorphosis of the Mac into some kind of oversized iOS device? For reduced upgradability? For everything getting even thinner and glossier while we cling for dear life to dated design aesthetics that last made sense 10+ years ago?

Sure. I'll stay tuned.
 
Well, one reason would be if you hit the CPU limit in your existing machine.
I can do that with my 2013 rMBP using Cubase [or Logic] when running multiple VST instruments and effects.
There are workarounds like freezing tracks, rendering VST tracks to audio, but these are all compromises to get around the fact that the limit of the CPU has been reached. And often the workarounds completely destroy the creative process.

So yeah. Thats why many need new computers, because realtime software like Cubase and Logic are limited by CPU.

Although I'm sure faster cores would be great too, @flat five here's another example of something that benefits form more cores.
 
"I love the Mac"...

hmm you don't have to be a psychologist to understand this sounds like a weak excuse.

Are we talking about the reply being a weak excuse for not updating the Mac hardware lineup vs 1 new product intro, or the excuse that OSX, now MacOS being an iOS overlay of fGUI features vs anything really tangible in core power since Bertrand Sirlei worked at Apple?! (Sorry Bertrand for the mispelling).
 
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my twopence worth..

Although I do wish we had some new MBPs and the return of 4 core Mini-mac (they make great little 4D Servers), I do not want them to be loaded with at worst the latest bug ridden or at best incompatible new OS. Business users need consistency of operating system without being held back in terms of being unsupported if they downgrade, even if that is an option. I am finding Windows 10 more and more attractive as our database client licences are non-OS-specific seat and this only requires a few code changes for platform detection.
 
my twopence worth..

Although I do wish we had some new MBPs and the return of 4 core Mini-mac (they make great little 4D Servers), I do not want them to be loaded with at worst the latest bug ridden or at best incompatible new OS. Business users need consistency of operating system without being held back in terms of being unsupported if they downgrade, even if that is an option. I am finding Windows 10 more and more attractive as our database client licences are non-OS-specific seat and this only requires a few code changes for platform detection.

Microsoft's offering is now very compelling. Full on Windows 10 tower running latest hardware. Surface Pro Laptop / Tablet - all running exactly the same OS. If you are daring - even a Windows 10 phone ( I was looking at the Lumia 650 the other day. Gorgeous screen and only £100! - almost throwaway). Now Windows 10 can run the Linux subsystem on Windows- it's a very compelling development platform.

Apple need to publish a roadmap otherwise professionals just can't ignore the bottom line and are going to jump ship to GTX1080 / latest CPU etc.
 
- At least 32GiB RAM, perhaps upgradeable to 64GiB in the future (bare minimum, 4 DDR4 slots really wanted)
- 2.5" bay
- Thunderbolt 3
- 10Gbase-T
- DisplayPort 1.4
- ExpressCard
- Unlocked LTE-A with SIM card
- RX460 graphics minimum
- 17"
- BDXL burner
- Removable battery

Still poor without at least 6-core i7-level CPU.

Er... Everybody knows half of those things won't ever be in a MacBook... Go buy a PC
 
The rest of the email is missing. He said "Stay tuned. We're working on getting a really good deal on 5400RPM hard drives."
Just to be fair, I was looking at laptops on the BestBuy website a few days ago. There are huge amounts of current laptops being sold with 5400RPM HDs to this date.
 
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mr cook actions speak louder than words but if you love macs so much why can you bring good games to the mac like you do with iOS, i'll be more than happy if i can have that mario game on mac. so you say one thing but you do another. i'm believe me i'm in your side
 
I hope that Apple makes something that meets your needs. One problem that many people will face is that they have fairly niche use cases. Not saying that it's not completely valid, but Apple is likely to shoot for the sweet spot where the vast majority of users live. Light weight and needing to run high resolution displays probably doesn't apply to most people. But you certainly have a valid gripe.

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I think new iOS devices soon will be called Mac instead of iDevices.
This.

Because I don't think my usage is very special. When I'm on the road I'd like to be as portable as possible but when I'm stationary I'd like as much screen estate as possible.

I reckon as far as Apple's market segments goes, I'm in the "starbucks crowd". I don't need super hardware.

Reading a lot of threads I've come to realise I'm stuck in a Apples "knows better" case. They probably wants me to become an ipad pro user. They "know" I don't need computing power, proper multitasking, an accessible file system or a desktop UX.
It is just that I the user have not yet realised this, and keeps asking for new and better hardware at a time when Apple strategy is to turn all but the real power users into ipad users. Cheaper hardware, dumber software, highly commoditized, with at strictly controlled life span and thoroughly limited and dependent on other Apple gear.
So why would they offer me a laptop that satisfies simple computing needs both on the road and at the desk, when they can sell me crippled hardware specialised for each scenario?
It is pure business logic. As long as the starbucks crowd is the main target and they are happy to pay for multiple devices to be able to do what one single laptop use to be able to do, then it is pretty clear what path to chose.

Nunyabinez is pretty spot on when asking why we are hunting for new hardware. As for me, the solution is old hardware. Find some outdated but OK-ish Apple tech on the second hand market and forget about new macs.


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Is that mini server a quad-core? If so, the current ones will be slower. Hang on to it. :( I was actually considering a mini for a home media (and extra processing) server, but the new ones are kind of lame. I'd actually buy a used quad-core at this point, but I'm nervous about how long until Apple cuts support.
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It actually is a 2010 server, so no not quad core but a Core2Duo. The SSD and 8GB memory makes it a decent desktop at the office.
However, here in lies the answer to my upgrade path. Just the other day I bought a used Mini 2012 server (Quadcore) and this will make an excellent desktop for me for the coming 3-5 years. While I haven't solved the macbook air situation just yet, I'm fairly confident I can just hibernate for a few years. If future macs all are going comodity (no user upgradeable parts, designed with a lifespan of 2-3 years) and if future Mac Os is moving even further away from desktop usage, then I'm at least set for a few years of ample computing power and decent UX and will have plenty of time to decide on future needs and solutions.






...computing is sequential.. an example of sequential would be driving coast-to-coast.. you have to use a single car(core) to do this.. leave SF and get to NYC in 3 days... you can't use 10 cars (cores) to each drive 1/10 of the distance and arrive in new york 10x faster..
the only way to get through this process faster would be with a faster car (clock speed)..

another example would be human pregnancy.. a sole woman needs to carry the child to term for the full 9 months.. 9 women can't join up for 1 month and produce a child.. (like this isn't happening---- lady1 "hey, i'll grow the left arm", lady2 "i'll make the feet!" etc... then combine all the parts after a month)

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Those analogies are not really apt. Even if Apple was extremely late to the game, the current Mac OS does do pre-empitve multitasking. That is one thing tha makes the "sequential" view of things more complex. In your analogy preemptive multitasking would be aborting the fetus and inserting it at a later stage when the voom is available for handling lower priority tasks.
Since there is a cost associated with preempting, more cores allows for better computing even of tasks that are truly one-core.
 
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It's just better than the alternatives and has been a lesser target until more recently.
I work in security/cryptography and in my personal estimation it's only better than Windows. Most Linux distros patch faster, same for the BSD ones, particularly OpenBSD which is very security-oriented.

To contrast OpenBSD's full disclosure policy, think about the fact that Apple fought tooth and nail Google's 3-month disclosure of security flaws. I.e. instead of fixing issues as soon as possible (and a 3 months timeframe is extremely generous when it comes to security), Apple prefers to fix at a leisurely pace and prevent the public from knowing their security flaws.
 
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I had a terrible premonition. The new Macbook Pro, and Mac Pro will debut at the same time. The only ports are USB-C, and Lightning. The Mac Pro is even devoid of gigabit. To use your 'legacy' Thunderbolt peripherals you will need to use a USB C to Thunderbolt dongle. To plug in speakers or headphones you must use lightning to 1/8th adapter.
Newertech, Belkin etc debut USB C to plain old USB hubs so you can plug in all your other junk.
Hopefully just a daydream.
 
I just hope I don't require lot's of courage to buy it. I really want to update my 2009 MB pro
 
“I love the Mac and we are very committed to it. Stay

tuned.


Tim”

Why does this sound just like Drumpf? Same specifics and details in the proclamation.


Oh Tim!
Did you see Tim Cook's other email? The one that talked about Windows computers?

"They're not good. They have problems, and they're bringing their problems with them. They have viruses, they have BSODs, and some of them, I assume, are good systems."
 
Believe me, trust me I have a private plan. :)

Politics aside I've started crafting a backup plan incase nothing good comes out of Apple in the next 6ish months. My current desktop is nearly 3 years old, this is the longest I've ever used the same desktop machine. I've started looking at replacing hardware in my current Ibuypower Revolt case, Desktop replacement laptops, and Single/Dual Xeon workstation hardware as options. It's amazing how much PC hardware you can buy at the same price as a fully loaded Imac, albeit in a much larger footprint.
 
I mean, duh? They JUST announced a bunch of iWork improvements - of course they're not pulling away from the Mac. Computers just aren't on the same upgrade schedule as phones and tablets.

nah, the new Macbook pro refreshing timeframe is now 25 years.
 
I wonder what the chances of them doing retina display on the air is? That was the reason i bought the 13 inch 2025 pro because I love to take pictures and to edit them; the processing power is overkill for anything else I need it for, but I do enjoy it.
 
Microsoft's offering is now very compelling.

Except for a lot of the stuff we (now spoiled) Mac users are complaining about is rampant on Windows. We're just used to things being better. But, yes, if the Mac goes further downhill, and Windows improves a bit more... it's going to come down to which is cheaper and more flexible, at some point. If I'm going to put up with *%$#, I may as well get a good deal.

Er... Everybody knows half of those things won't ever be in a MacBook... Go buy a PC

Yea, I'm not even sure I'd want all of that stuff anymore. I highly doubt Apple is going to built a boat-anchor laptop anymore (and not sure I'd want one... though I could see a very small niche who would).

I'm actually even fine with the sealed, non-upgradable, stuff if I know that going in... and if there are sufficient advantages to it (which I think there are... it isn't just planned obsolescence). But, I do expect up-to-date hardware and reasonableness on the port stuff (i.e., not 1 USB-C that's also the charge port... or a desktop w/o ethernet, etc.).

I'm pretty easy to please. It's the utter lack of keeping pace with the hardware, and software that's continually being ignored or even degraded that is the problem.

Just to be fair, I was looking at laptops on the BestBuy website a few days ago. There are huge amounts of current laptops being sold with 5400RPM HDs to this date.

Yea, we've gotten spoiled by most of the Mac lineup being SSD. My bottom of the line MBA seems to fly compared to my way faster iMac because of that. It's just a whole different experience. They really should make the entire line SSD based now, though.

I reckon as far as Apple's market segments goes, I'm in the "starbucks crowd". I don't need super hardware.

Most people don't, and Apple knows it. But, that doesn't mean Apple should only focus on one market segment.

It's just silly. Imagine Ford saying... well, according to this here pie chart, pickup trucks outsell our other products. I think we'll just stop making the rest, because everyone could make a pickup truck work.

Or, McDonalds saying... french fries make up that big pie slice, lets phase out the burgers and coffee.

It's like Cook is so focused on maximization that he's going to kill the company trying. At the same time, they are fragmenting the product line when it comes to marketing/fashion purposes. It's just nuts... it's like the worst combo of Apple in the early to mid-90s, coupled with an ironic twist of that 'fashion product' accusation we long-time Apple faithful used to defend against and hate so much.

So why would they offer me a laptop that satisfies simple computing needs both on the road and at the desk, when they can sell me crippled hardware specialised for each scenario?
It is pure business logic.

Well, it's pure business school 101 for businesses that want short-term success to the detriment of the long-term. It's just not good business. More like, pure stupid (which is, unfortunately, modern business logic .... that's starting to change though. Listen to some of the more entrepreneurial types or newer businesses.)

As for me, the solution is old hardware. Find some outdated but OK-ish Apple tech on the second hand market and forget about new macs.

The problem is longevity... and it's a problem from OS to modern apps. Unless you use all 'owned' apps, you have to keep updating the OS and software, which means new hardware.

However, here in lies the answer to my upgrade path. Just the other day I bought a used Mini 2012 server (Quadcore) and this will make an excellent desktop for me for the coming 3-5 years.

I've considered that too, though I'm worried about the above.

I work in security/cryptography and in my personal estimation it's only better than Windows. Most Linux distros patch faster, same for the BSD ones, particularly OpenBSD which is very security-oriented.

Linux just isn't a viable option for most people though. I've used it professionally in the server room, and had a MythTV box at home for a number of years. But, as a typical desktop for even a 'pro' user, I think that would be rough.

I've started looking at replacing hardware in my current Ibuypower Revolt case, Desktop replacement laptops, and Single/Dual Xeon workstation hardware as options. It's amazing how much PC hardware you can buy at the same price as a fully loaded Imac, albeit in a much larger footprint.

I think you might be a bit surprised if you really use similar components, though you'll easily get more GPU, bit more CPU power, more storage and expandability. But, even the display itself on the iMac is a pretty expensive component if you want/need it. It's not that bad a deal, it's more the limitations.
 
I think you might be a bit surprised if you really use similar components, though you'll easily get more GPU, bit more CPU power, more storage and expandability. But, even the display itself on the iMac is a pretty expensive component if you want/need it. It's not that bad a deal, it's more the limitations.

Ya I'm not figuring in the cost of a 5k monitor I've already got 3 WQHD monitors so I would be saving on that part, if I were to go down the Xeon route I would reuse my current video card for a while as well.
 
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