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Cook: "We make products for people that are tools to enable them to do things that they couldn't otherwise do..."

That describes MacOS products. iOS products? Not so much. The latter are consumption products. The bulk of their users are audiences--not creators--who regard their purchases as toys rather than tools.

It's a tad conceited or arrogant to say that people weren't able to create, teach, or learn without Apple's products. Cameras, paper and pen, books, and film existed long before the Apple logo. Digital media is not necessarily superior or attention-worthy.
 
The 6/6+ and the 5s are older than the SE and are 64-bit.

Correction accepted. In my head I'm thinking of "phones you can still buy new", which is limited to the SE.
I got a cheap iPhone 6 on Virgin Mobile this year, but that has to have been new-old-stock, not new manufactured, unless Apple has secret manufacturing runs of older models (which is possible, I guess)

From macrumors on 32 bit apps:
"Apple started supporting 64-bit apps when the iPhone 5s launched in September of 2013. As of June 2015, all apps and app updates must use the 64-bit architecture, so apps that are still 32-bit have not been updated in at least two years."
 
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Ignoring iOS11, have you explained to them how the sunsetting of 32 bit apps affects them though? No app updates for anything already - no new facebook features, all apps they can download are those frozen in time...

Anything older than a SE is now obsolete tech. That's a good percentage of the 100s of millions sold to date.

My FIL is a tech freak, so he knows. He just doesn't feel inclined to have the newest models. He takes care of all that for himself, my MIL and her mother. We talk gadgets when they're here (which is twice a year... snowbirds).

If all they can DL are apps "frozen in time" how is this any different than it would be with any other platform? Who is designing apps for stuff we use everyday, yet is being used on older tech? Nobody, really.

iOS and Android both keep moving forward.
 
Not for you maybe, though for many, thats a lot of money for an entry phone.

Imaging getting your kids phones, 4x £50 phones or 4X £380......

My kids all pay for their own phones. They save birthday money, gifts of cash from grandma when she visits, money from work, etc.

When they were little, we handed down old phones (this was back when subsidized phones were a couple hundred dollars and AT&T got the rest of that cash from us out of that phone bill). People hand down phones pretty often now. You can make sure a younger kid can use an older iPhone. Stuff like the browser, some games, phone, and iMessage work just fine.
 
Not for you maybe, though for many, thats a lot of money for an entry phone.

Imaging getting your kids phones, 4x £50 phones or 4X £380......

If we are talking about buying more than 1 then yes, but surely those who are on a low income are not buying 4 iPhone's, as for kids it depends on their age, personally I'm not a fan of children having smartphones they are not toys!
 
I'm sure Tim Cook's definition of "rich" is different from the average person in the World but it's such a pithy, back-handed justification. Yes Apple products aren't for the elite 1%. But saying that they aren't "just for the rich" is a million miles away from saying "Apple products are for everyone".

And if they're not meant for everyone then the CEO should make that clear instead of ambiguous statements.
 
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Correction accepted. In my head I'm thinking of "phones you can still buy new", which is limited to the SE.
I got a cheap iPhone 6 on Virgin Mobile this year, but that has to have been new-old-stock, not new manufactured, unless Apple has secret manufacturing runs of older models (which is possible, I guess)

From macrumors on 32 bit apps:
"Apple started supporting 64-bit apps when the iPhone 5s launched in September of 2013. As of June 2015, all apps and app updates must use the 64-bit architecture, so apps that are still 32-bit have not been updated in at least two years."

No harm, no foul.

Anyway, as the oldest 64-bit phone Apple sold the 5s is now 4 years old and will be 5 years old by the time it's (almost certainly) not supported by the latest OS next year. That's a good run and I don't really see any cause for complaint. 32-bit phone 5/5c and back will continue to run iOS 10 just fine.
 
I see the latest and greatest of Apple products quite often in coffee shops, governmental buildings, and universities in major cities here in Europe. People in the countryside just earn less and do not have the extra money to pay for the prices Apple is practicing

Do they need new iPhones? Would refurbished, resale, or older models be good for their needs? I suspect they either do not need them or can go with the more affordable models either new or resale.

My point was that if people are poor farmers or other types of workers who rarely refer to a phone but for casual use, they probably don't care if they have an iPhone X.
 
I agree with Cook. The iPhone experiences changes the way we use our devices and iOS is simplistic, fluid and intuitive. And the iPhone has a lineup that offers something for everybody. Not everybody has to purchase a $1000 iPhone if they don't desire.
Toilet paper changes the way I go about my daily life and there are different options to pick from, still doesn't mean it couldn't be too pricey.

There is no denying it, smartphones are becoming too expensive for the everyday commodity and the volume that they are and are produced at.

Cars used to be a lot more expensive as well and they too over time got a lot cheaper, because eventually savings had to be passed down to the customer to compete.

There are still cars with big markups, but at least Mercedes isn't trying to tell me that I'm not paying a dear premium and to be frank, you could have a point that in the long run you save a lot on cars if you go with the right brand and model right away.

iPhones have reached a price region where you could argue that for Average Joe needs with so many apps being on both platforms the difference between buying two mid-tier phones that last 2 generations and one iPhone that lasts 3-4 generations is a lot more favorable than what you could get from cheap cars and their maintenance costs.

And keep in mind, the iPhone is priced as luxury item but is marketed as a tool for "everyone".

Without subsidies or 24mo contracts this wouldn't be marketable at all. Certainly not 4 digits.

"Not everyone has to get the best one"

Whilst that is true Apple seems to have lost the original recipe for success.
"The latest iPhone has..." was a simple term that followed great innovative features or polish on features already found elsewhere.

Now more and more they play catch up, force you into weird ways to bend your life around their ideas (headphone jack anyone) and complicate things by trying to upsell you to models you may not even want.

Now I'm super glad I'm an owner of a Plus model, I really love the screen size, but I know plenty of people who want a smaller screen, but they will be forced to go with less RAM and a substantially worse camera.

And even though I'm a close follower of Apple news I couldn't even remember if there was more you get cheaped out on.
Maybe not, but the simplicity is gone.

The problem is that there is sparse competition in the high-end field of smartphones, so you can't blame Apple alone since there is little pressure and people in general have terrible spending behavior (loud hoorays in Cupertino and generally around the world), but to come out and say the iPhone isn't only for the rich is absolutly ignorant, because that's what the people are in comparison to the average income world-wide. We just like to forget how well off we are, but even then, an "everybody's phone" is priced at what often is a whole paycheck or more.

Sure get an older iPhone... And buy the next one even sooner, because just because you get the latest OS doesn't mean you still have a great experience. iPhones age from the moment of introduction, not from the moment of sale. (software-wise)

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I think Tim could have worded this better by saying "each of our products is a good long term investments. Its value is high yes, but we have never been about cutting corners here, its not in our DNA. When I see someone still using an iPhone 5s thats what I mean". It would sound less out of touch.
 
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Next day: announces $1000+ smartphone
Late to the party, but I do find it ironic that on the eve of announcing a $1,000 phone, Cook states that Apple's products aren't just for the rich. While there are a number of products from Apple that do represent a good value for your money, I do find the price of their Phones, and laptops to be priced so high that his statement is laughable.
 
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I think Tim could have worded this better by saying "each of our products in a good long term investments. Its value is high yes, but we have never been about cutting corners here, its not in our DNA. When I see someone still using an iPhone 5s thats what I mean". It would sound less out of touch.

I agree with you on this one, though.

I think part of what he's saying is corporate/marketing speak. They aren't going to walk out there and say that they know their phones are expensive. ;)
 
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If we are talking about buying more than 1 then yes, but surely those who are on a low income are not buying 4 iPhone's, as for kids it depends on their age, personally I'm not a fan of children having smartphones they are not toys!

Agree. Anyway , let's see how much they are tomorrow
 
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I agree with you on this one, though.

I think part of what he's saying is corporate/marketing speak. They aren't going to walk out there and say that they know their phones are expensive. ;)

I think the Xiaomi launches today, the day before apples, has "rattled Tim's cage"...somewhat.
 
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Apple computers used to be worth the moneythey had what users wanted and could be upgraded further down the line as needed. Now Apple computers are disposable and chocked full of parts with questionable reliability.
They're to expensive if you're confident that it'll make it through the year.
 
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I think Tim could have worded this better by saying "each of our products in a good long term investments. Its value is high yes, but we have never been about cutting corners here, its not in our DNA. When I see someone still using an iPhone 5s thats what I mean". It would sound less out of touch.
I'm not sure I agree. They've pretty much cut corners on the MBP's keyboard, Apple markets the phones to be replaced annually, I don't see apple marketing their products as a long term investment.
 
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Only the poor buy it that why they are still poor! Rich people still on their flip phones and fly in private jets! And why not? They can afford to since they don't have to pay for the iPhone and it related smartphone monthly services. LOL!
 
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Late to the party, but I do find it ironic that on the eve of announcing a $1,000 phone, Cook states that Apple's products are just for the rich. While there are a number of products from Apple that do represent a good value for your money, I do find the price of their Phones, and laptops to be priced so high that his statement is laughable.
You might want to edit "are just for the rich" to "aren't" or Freudian slip on Cooks behalf.
 
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I'm not a fan of children having smartphones they are not toys!

Casual evidence says otherwise. Youngsters are addicted to their devices. Games are the top selling apps. Social media is the most popular activity. Texting embellishments like stickers and emoji are the fashion. Music and videos account for the bulk of Internet bandwidth usage. Sounds like a toy to me.
 
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