And that's one more reason why you're an idiot, Tim.
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Tim Cook Says Apple Won't Create 'Converged' Mac and iPad
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So instead we get two useless devices.
(one thin under-powered over-priced laptop with no ports, and one giant tablet that only gives os icons further apart on the home screen - both for almost the same price)
(one thin under-powered over-priced laptop with no ports, and one giant tablet that only gives os icons further apart on the home screen - both for almost the same price)
I agree with Tim. Most people forget that we had tablets long before the iPad. They were full blown PC's. They were mostly terrible with bad battery life, and they ran desktop software requiring either a keyboard or stylus input to run their desktop software with the little mouse designed controls. Anyhow, the iPad changed all that. What Microsoft has done with the surface is to try to resurrect the old tablet. The current gen Surface gets 5 hours of battery life in the real world, has a terrible keyboard/trackpad, and is a huge compromise device: neither a good PC nor a good tablet experience. Apple is not about compromises. Maybe one day, if the battery power is there they could come out with a single OS, but we're years from that still. The surface will have its advocates, but at the end of the day it's a forgettable device that Microsoft can get away with simply because of its huge, largely undecerning, user base.
But that is much more about third party software. There is really not much that the Surface Pro can do that the iPad can't, except take advantage of a lot of third party enterprise software.
The key here is enterprise. I could drop an iPad Pro into my work environment to replace our Windows laptops in two seconds if there was third party software that supported our vertical. But that's not just an iOS problem. That same software is lacking for OS X, too.
Or maybe because we don't want a Frankenstein OS that does everything but doesn't excel in anything.
Touchscreens on a laptop are a gimmick, and there hasn't been anything yet which has changed my mind on this. The Apple trackpad gestures are far quicker and more powerful for multitasking than a touchscreen could ever hope to achieve. I'm pleased Apple have the fruits (pardon the expression) not to wane to consumers' odd demand of wanting to press the odd icon on their laptop screen.
If anyone could do it and not **** it up like the surface pro, it would be Apple.
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"We feel strongly that customers are not really looking for a converged Mac and iPad”
You feel incorrectly. Just build the d@mn OSX tablet to compete with Microsoft and be done with it already. Stop delaying the inevitable, you are just falling further behind in that category.
You feel incorrectly. Just build the d@mn OSX tablet to compete with Microsoft and be done with it already. Stop delaying the inevitable, you are just falling further behind in that category.
For me, even if Apple were to make an iPad capable of running full OS X, it would still be a non-starter - in its current form. The ability to attach externals, and run off-net is essential for my work. The option to run a totally closed system is the only way I will go.
I use OS X and Windows for work. I hate what MS has done to Windows coz of Surface. I really don't want to see Apple take that route ever.
I broadly agree with Cook.
All hybrid laptop/tablets are flawed, because they involve gorilla arm from touching the screen. That said, Apple should really have included a trackpad in their detachable keyboard for the iPad Pro, otherwise they are falling into the same trap.
What I would like to see is a version of iOS that really takes advantage of the iPad's bigger screen. iOS 9 was a step towards that; let's see a giant leap for Padkind.
All hybrid laptop/tablets are flawed, because they involve gorilla arm from touching the screen. That said, Apple should really have included a trackpad in their detachable keyboard for the iPad Pro, otherwise they are falling into the same trap.
What I would like to see is a version of iOS that really takes advantage of the iPad's bigger screen. iOS 9 was a step towards that; let's see a giant leap for Padkind.
I don't understand why people want Apple to do a hybrid.
Heck, looking at the few people around me that have the Surface Pro, they pretty much use it as a laptop. The only reason they said they bought the surface was the portability and weight (vs traditional laptops), not because of the tablet features. Even Microsoft advertise it to be used as a laptop, a laptop where you have to pay extra for the keyboard. The Macbook can fill in that gap easily.
Heck, looking at the few people around me that have the Surface Pro, they pretty much use it as a laptop. The only reason they said they bought the surface was the portability and weight (vs traditional laptops), not because of the tablet features. Even Microsoft advertise it to be used as a laptop, a laptop where you have to pay extra for the keyboard. The Macbook can fill in that gap easily.
So something Cook has been saying for years he's still saying now. How long does he have to keep saying it before people move on to something else?
Honestly the day Apple brings a pointer and mouse support to iOS is the day we should be worried about the company.
My apps are all in folders. If I want to launch something I use spotlight or multitasking pane. The amount of time I spend looking at the home screen to even notice the icon spacing is next to none.
Honestly the day Apple brings a pointer and mouse support to iOS is the day we should be worried about the company.
Except Cook never said that.
I wasn't aware the MacBook Pro has no ports and too thin and underpowered.
Right because people sit and look at their iPad home screen all day.
My apps are all in folders. If I want to launch something I use spotlight or multitasking pane. The amount of time I spend looking at the home screen to even notice the icon spacing is next to none.
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Let me think about it, sell 2 devices (1 iPad and 1 Mac) with 2 upgrade cycle or make it one and loose half of the income, I dunno I mean 2 devices = 2 sets of dongles 2 Applecares , 2 stores that generate 2 incomes, they would be pretty silly to merge and loose 50% of all of it.
Agreed. The MacBook is an underpowered disappointment, and the icon spacing on the iPad Pro is beyond ridiculous.
It's a compromise until it isn't, and until Apples homegrown architecture can compete with x86.
Then we get an OSX macbook that can also run iOS apps.
Then the sky falls.
Maybe i'm just desperate for Apple to re-introduce the iBook
I think Apple clearly showed that their homegrown architecture can compete with x86. The A9X beats the 13" MBP in single core benchmarks. If they were to hyperthread their next processor, it would easily out perform the majority of their Mac lineup. I think they have a solid foundation with the A9X. So many ways they can build on it. If I were Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA, I'd be really concerned.
I also find it bitterly ironic in this thread that people are implying the MacBook line and OS X is suffering because it's not touchscreen. As if enabling functionality to get pawprints all over a MacBook Pro's Retina display makes it more a Pro machine and less of a gimmicky option that adds nothing to functionality. Give me a break.
Tim's been making a lot of comments regarding hybrid devices especially wrt the Surface lineup. Reminds me of:
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
The iPad is useful for checking email and reading news headlines and viewing weather forecasts and weather maps. Too many news sources provide only the initial news in condensed form. No updates. It's not for working on spreadsheets or editing photos or organizing financing. It's not even very good for on-line shopping.
Really? I was thinking "hallelujah" because convergence never really works well. I love my iPad but need my Macs.
Cook seemingly said, “So we want to make the best tablet in the world and the best Mac in the world.” Why, then, do we see that, since 2011, the iMac has been of lower quality? OK, they have upgraded a few parts and made the shell look thinner on the edge, but at the expense of soldered in RAM, soldered in GPU and CPU, glue, proprietary screws, virtually useless connectivity (99% closed shop Thunderbolt which is useless for the majority of consumers, OK you may find a use for it if you are a power user professional and need extra storage but that is about it,) etc. We cannot use our expensive iMacs as monitors for games consoles or anything except – yes you guessed it – another Mac. It is like the confectionary sales, in this example chocolate. Recently they have reduced the amount of cocoa butter used and substituted inferior, cheaper products (Polyglycerol Polyricinoleate), so the end product is not even the so-called vegolate that Cadburys were accused of selling some years ago. Same story with Apple, cheapening the product whilst incrementing the price.
Why would Apple give up the chance of a consumer buying two or more devices in place of a single "converged" device?
There's obviously a huge disconnect between Tim Cook and his customers. He either needs new advisors that can read public forums, or maybe he should fire up Macrumors.com on his new iPad Pro and do some light reading.