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Tim Cook Says Apple Won't Create 'Converged' Mac and iPad

There would be so little reason to if Apple just put time into the iPad to making it more productive. The space wastage in the iOS 9's design on the iPad is pretty poor, and even worse in iOS 10 by the look of it -_-
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Piggie said:
Can we just admit to the real reason Apple won't make a device like the iPad Pro, be able to "flip" into OSX mode when wanted by the user.
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I think the reason is that it would either end in a very poor interface for the iPad (touch targets that are too small etc), or a very poor interface for the Mac, with everything getting redesigned around touch (the Microsoft approach) which makes it a poor interface for the mouse.
 
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OneMike said:
When apple makes comments like "we feel consumers don't want xyz." It's clear they are not talking to consumers or getting feedback from them. Apple typically has a stance on telling the customer what they want rather than listening.
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If this were true, why would they bother maintaining two distinct operating systems for consumers to choose from? They would just have a one-size-fits-all OS which compromises both the tablet and notebook experience.
 
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If this were true, why would they bother maintaining two distinct operating systems for consumers to choose from? They would just have a one-size-fits-all OS which compromises both the tablet and notebook experience.
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Two distinct operating systems means the consumer has to buy more hardware if they want certain experiences. Smart business move, maybe. Bad for the consumers for sure.
 
Cook is so full of crap. Here he is saying that customers don't want a convergence between iOS and Mac OS X, and at the same time Apple continually bring in "features" that dumb down OS X and make it function more and more like an iPad.
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ICEBreaker said:
When VR does take off in 5-10 years' time, and 20% of households will have one, Apple would be left out in the cold. They should have acquired Nvidia while it was still an affordable company, or else, they will just have to abandon their high margin business model, when it comes to the GPU.
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VR isn't going to take off in 5 to 10 years time. It's taking off now. VR is already possible through smartphones, which are already powerful enough to experience it directly at very low cost. Android phones are vastly better for this, due to the higher screen resolutions on the more premium models, the faster processors, and the larger amounts of memory. You can also stream VR content from a mid range PC with relative ease.

More dedicated headsets like the Vive and the Occulus rift already exist, and the Hololens is due out soon as well. If Apple doesn't release something shortly, they will get left behind in the same way that Microsoft did with smartphones and tablets.
 
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Phoenixx said:
Cook is so full of crap. Here he is saying that customers don't want a convergence between iOS and Mac OS X, and at the same time Apple continually bring in "features" that dumb down OS X and make it function more and more like an iPad.
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VR isn't going to take off in 5 to 10 years time. It's taking off now. VR is already possible through smartphones, which are already powerful enough to either experience it directly at very low cost. Android phones are vastly better for this, due to the higher screen resolutions on the more premium models, the faster processors, and the larger amounts of memory. You can also stream VR content from a mid range PC with relative ease.

More dedicated headsets like the Vive and the Occulus rift already exist, and the Hololens is due out soon as well. If Apple doesn't release something shortly, they will get left behind in the same way that Microsoft did with smartphones and tablets.
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how many actual businesses are buying VR equipment? and regular mortal customers? VR is still not even close to the drones market, or the selfie stick market...
 
It will be interesting to see to what degree the Surface Book affects Mac Book sales over time. I prefer the Mac ecosystem by far to Microsoft but Windows 10 seems to have finally become a decent OS the Surface Book is extremely tempting to buy as a quality all purpose device. I would love to replace my MacMini with a Mac Book if it was functionally comparable to the Surface Book. I would be more than happy to pay the requisite premium price it would command which could likely be equivalent to the combined cost of buying an existing Mac Book and iPad. But with no hint of such a device on the horizon, my only alternatives are to either wait until the next generation of MacMini finally appears or to go bilingual and get a new Surface Book to use with my existing iPhone and iPad. I hope Apple soon manages to wrench themselves from the tractor beam hold that has diverted the bulk of their resources away from refreshing their product line to building the Spaceship campus and trying to become a competitor with Tesla.
 
I need a new MacBook Pro. Money has been collecting dust for a few months. Patience is running out.
 
OneMike said:
When apple makes comments like "we feel consumers don't want xyz." It's clear they are not talking to consumers or getting feedback from them. Apple typically has a stance on telling the customer what they want rather than listening.

I have an iPad Pro right now, which I'm currently selling in the marketplace.

While it's nice, if I had to do it over again. I would've just purchased a Surface Book or Surface if I wanted a similar setup.
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Yeah I think Jobs said, "Customers don't know what they want until you show them."
But to do that you as the maker need to first know what they want in order to show them.

I am currently developing an operating system and already solved scalibility, so I know it's possible, but Apple knows if you have an all in one device you won't buy 2. lol
 
dotails said:
Yeah I think Jobs said, "Customers don't know what they want until you show them."
But to do that you as the maker need to first know what they want in order to show them.

I am currently developing an operating system and already solved scalibility, so I know it's possible, but Apple knows if you have an all in one device you won't buy 2. lol
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That is probably true.


It seems to me that Apple is playing it safe, trying to protect each of their product lines even if it is at the expense of their other products. That's a typical corporate move. Apple may also be factoring in general economic forecasts as well. If consumer spending is projected to drop over the next 24-48 months then it makes little business sense to introduce new products that won't sell well because people don't have the money to buy them.

I highly doubt that those clamoring for a merging of iOS and OSX (or touch-enabled version of OSX... oops macOS) have actually spent significant time with a Surface or other Windows tablet/hybrid. Making a desktop OS optimized for touch requires far more than simply magnifying the user interface elements to create larger targets for a finger tap.

The thing that I'd like to see is for Apple to make a few minor and moderate tweaks to iOS to nudge iPads closer to that tablet/notebook dividing line. Those few modifications would go a long way in satisfying many needs without compromising the iOS user experience.

For my uses, the 12.9 iPad Pro falls on the tablet-side of that dividing line but is generally close to that "sweet spot". My Surface devices fell on the notebook-side but not as close... making them neat notebooks but poor tablets.
 
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Show me an iPad Pro that can run Logic, Ableton, or Cubase with a minimum of 60 tracks (a mix of audio and AU/VST instruments), all with compressors, delays, and reverbs (reverbs take a lot of processing power) and I'll consider it. There's no way you'll be able to run U-he's Diva or Spectrasonics Omnisphere on an iPad as good as it runs on a Mac desktop/laptop.
 
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The release of Occulus Rift later this year, along with the HTC Vive is predicted to bring sales of around 10 million units. The Microsoft is predicted at around 47 million units (though the Hololens is AR not VR)

In the meantime there have been over 5 million downloads of the Google Cardbord app, 5 million sales of Samsung VR, 3.6 million sales of the Occulus Rift developers kit, 2.1 million sales of HTC Vive, and 1.4 million sales of Sony Morpheus.

VR is most certainly NOT going to take 5 to 10 years to go mainstream. It's happening right now.
 
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Show me an iPad Pro that can run Logic, Ableton, or Cubase with a minimum of 60 tracks (a mix of audio and AU/VST instruments), all with compressors, delays, and reverbs (reverbs take a lot of processing power) and I'll consider it. There's no way you'll be able to run U-he's Diva or Spectrasonics Omnisphere on an iPad as good as it runs on a Mac desktop/laptop.
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Nobody is saying it should replace every Mac for every purpose. Just having mouse input, actual multitasking, etc would make even basic workflows better.
 
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Altis said:
Nobody is saying it should replace every Mac for every purpose. Just having mouse input, actual multitasking, etc would make even basic workflows better.
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When discussing this topic it is common for someone to present an extreme example as the "dividing line" that determines whether or not a device is capable of replacing another device. These "strawmen" arguments do nothing but illustrate how narrow a view that person has of the issue.

Yes, there are little things that can be done that would have a significant benefit in increasing the usefulness of the iPad for various workflows. Multi-Window support is a game-changer for many. Adding support for mice, even if only bluetooth mice, would be one as well.
 
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Today Apple only serves Apple. Only way to change this trend is vote with your $$$$. If Apple does not produce the hardware & software that meets my need, I look elsewhere, as there is no shortage of well designed premium hardware & software solutions available, albeit on other platforms.

Latest system I purchased is Windows 10 with touch & pen input, based on the reasons stated above. Personally I find as time passes Apple is simply becoming far less relevant in the PC space...

Q-6
 
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It'll happen eventually just like Apple reversed their decision on not having >3.5" display, pen, etc.
 
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