Tim Cook Says Apple Won't Create 'Converged' Mac and iPad

[Precision Gem]

No need to feel bad for me, IMO I've got the best hardware and software by a mile. I feel bad for you, forced to use an OS you don't like. Is that Apple sticker on the windows laptop a form of protest?!?

The sticker is to try to inspire the Windows machine to work better.

Have had the iPad pro for about a week now, and love it!

 

[Precision Gem]

Even though he got the size wrong, we all know what that poster meant.

The actual quote is this:

• "We've put a lot of thinking into screen size and we think we've picked the right one."
  - Cook on 4" iPhone, dissing larger displays of competitors, Quarterly call, Jan 2013

And of course, before Cook said that, his boss Jobs made similar comments over and over again through the years, about products that later came out. That's what makes it so funny to hear Apple leaders dissing anything they don't sell... at least, not YET ... and why people half jokingly assume it means such a product could be in the works.

Funny thing is, I work with a number of people with iPhone 5 and some with iPhone 4 who don't want to get the 6 because they feel it's too big. I got my wife a 6 plus and she hated it. I ended up buying her a 6 to replace it.

A lot of people with the big phones are using them as a replacement for a laptop or desktop. A few guys imwork with ditched their home computers and wifi and only have larger phones. These leads me to believe that Cook was correct when he said the iPad pro CNBC be a PC replacement for many people.

 

[Xiroteus]

"We feel strongly that customers are not really looking for a converged Mac and iPad," said Cook.

Sure...........I would not mind a Mac version of the surface pro. Tons of people would love it.

 

[Xiroteus]

"We feel strongly that customers are not really looking for a converged Mac and iPad," said Cook.

Sure...........I would not mind a Mac version of the surface pro. Tons of people would love it.

 

[CE3]

After spending the past day setting up my MBP, I'm glad they're keeping the two separate. They're really very different operating systems, and being new to OSX I'm seeing there are a lot of things iOS gets right for the devices that run them. It just needs to continue to evolve, and I'm sure it will. I wouldn't mind seeing mouse support for those tasks that require more precision than touch allows, and a better file management system for iPads, but iOS is a great OS IMO.

 

[Rivvvers]

The ipad pro seems like the perfect enviroment to make Mac OSX available.
The original argument was that the interface elements where too small to be used in any practical application, but time and other products on the market prove that this could be feasible.
Id personally love the ability to dual boot an ipad pro into iOS or OSX

 

[Joseph1989]

maybe one day, you will find the screen of macbook is touch screen and able to separate from the key board. LOL. no offending.

 

[ICEBreaker]

Why would anyone want to merge Mac OS X (one of the best OS of all time) with iOS (one of the most closed off system in the world)? What benefits do people possibly see from such a marriage? It only benefits Apple, but has no advantages for the consumer. If people like iOS, then get an iPad Pro. Why do they want to dumb down an amazing desktop OS?

 

[tayalva]

Why would anyone want to merge Mac OS X (one of the best OS of all time) with iOS (one of the most closed off system in the world)? What benefits do people possibly see from such a marriage? It only benefits Apple, but has no advantages for the consumer. If people like iOS, then get an iPad Pro. Why do they want to dumb down an amazing desktop OS?

I don't think anyone was calling for a dumbed down version of anything... Simply making osX available on the iPad with multi touch worked into the OS, like Windows has successfully done with the surface.

 

[navaira]

After Cook's remarks about the ultimate computer experience, or whatever it was he said, I am really worried that their goal is to completely phase out laptops and, Gods forbid, desktops. :/

 

[Piggie]

Why? If I remember right the A9 has caught up to the i5 processor. It's all the other things around the main processor that make a workstation so powerful.... not just the processor.

That's yet to be proven. We keep seeing synthetic benchmarks showing results with one chip running say windows or osx, and the other chip running ios. Let's load the arm chip up with the exact same is THEN test them against each other before we start making all these assumptions
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Why would anyone want to merge Mac OS X (one of the best OS of all time) with iOS (one of the most closed off system in the world)? What benefits do people possibly see from such a marriage? It only benefits Apple, but has no advantages for the consumer. If people like iOS, then get an iPad Pro. Why do they want to dumb down an amazing desktop OS?

I've said this many times. Why merge them, why not just allow the user to change into either osx or ios mode

 

[throAU]

Complete BS. Plenty of us want that.

As someone who's spent a year and a half using a hybrid (Surface Pros) as my primary work machine, my take is that converged devices just don't work the way most think they will.

Microsoft are even trying to make the UI adjust on Windows 10 and Office 2016 based on whether or not you are in "touch mode" or not.

And what does that say? ONE UI FOR BOTH DOES NOT WORK. The vast majority of my Surface Pro's time is spent on a desk hooked up to a mouse, and it very, very rarely gets used as a tablet (rather, I use the iPad) because it just doesn't work very well as a tablet.

As a laptop, its pretty neat though. But still crippled by Windows 10.

 

[Crosscreek]

That's yet to be proven. We keep seeing synthetic benchmarks showing results with one chip running say windows or osx, and the other chip running ios. Let's load the arm chip up with the exact same is THEN test them against each other before we start making all these assumptions

This is exactly the point. To prove those arm chips are as power fully as an I5 they must use the same OS with multiple windows open. Need the full line up of benchmarks on the same OS. At that point I may believe Apple that their chip is as good as an I5.

 

[johnnyturbouk]

Why would anyone want to merge Mac OS X (one of the best OS of all time) with iOS (one of the most closed off system in the world)?

-Agreed in your assertions of both OSX and ios
-however, many, myself included, have revelled at the prospect of using a tablet that can use all my ipad apps, which then can run full osx if a keyboard is added, especially a mbp backlit type, for far superior productivity.

What benefits do people possibly see from such a marriage?

a top-notch keyboard is added to the iPad
-the juxtaposition of ability to run all my ipad apps, and whilst having the use of a file archiver like finder,
the way ios impedes one from having an organised archive of folders is redundant, especially in a 'laptop' replacement. It is a folly that will ultimately hurt sales.

It only benefits Apple, but has no advantages for the consumer. If people like iOS, then get an iPad Pro. Why do they want to dumb down an amazing desktop OS?

Not really, it would not benefit apple, if a hybrid device replaces both the mbp and an ipad; this is what apple are afraid of. It is pure greed.

 

[nia820]

They said the same thing about a 7 inch tablet and a stylus . We'll see what happens in the future.

 

[Crosscreek]

I don't get the point of an iPad replacing a laptop or desktop when to use the iPad in an efficient manner for work you need to add a keyboard at the very least.

So how does that replace a PC?

For the same price of an iPad Pro you can have a laptop with full OS plus multiple windows open, BootCamp and ports. What about the VMs we can run on a X86 computer.

How does an iPad compete with that?

 

[hagar]

They said the same thing about a 7 inch tablet and a stylus . We'll see what happens in the future.

No, they won't change their minds: this is nothing like changing the screen size of the iPhone or the iPad, or releasing a stylus. They did that to sell more devices. Apple is a hardware maker and wants to sell hardware. Merging two top selling hardware devices into one, by doing a huge, huge (I cannot stress this enough) huge software engineering effort, is just crazy. It would completely mess up their hardware line up and commercial strategy. And there is no indication whatsoever that it would lead to a better user experience. Look at the competition.

 

[sracer]

I don't get the point of an iPad replacing a laptop or desktop when to use the iPad in an efficient manner for work you need to add a keyboard at the very least.

So how does that replace a PC?

For the same price of an iPad Pro you can have a laptop with full OS plus multiple windows open, BootCamp and ports. What about the VMs we can run on a X86 computer.

How does an iPad compete with that?

I plan on using my (soon to be delivered) 12.9 iPP to replace both my iPad Air 2 and Macbook Air. I've tested the viability of this with my Air 2. It worked pretty well with the most limiting factor being the screen size of the Air 2. For mobile use, I natively use the iOS apps on the iPad with core data stored in the cloud (and locally backed up offline) that is accessible by both my iOS and OSX devices. When I need to use OSX apps, I remotely connect to my iMac in my home office using my iPad (current RDP software is TeamViewer).

The Apple smart keyboard allows for easy attachment and removal so that I can use it in "full tablet mode".

I want/need both a tablet and a notebook. There is no option currently available the evenly straddles between both. The Surface falls on the notebook side, the iPad Pro on the tablet side. Having had extensive experience with Surface devices, I have concluded that the iPad Pro can more closely fit in with my use cases than the Surface Pro can.

 

[Crosscreek]

I plan on using my (soon to be delivered) 12.9 iPP to replace both my iPad Air 2 and Macbook Air. I've tested the viability of this with my Air 2. It worked pretty well with the most limiting factor being the screen size of the Air 2. For mobile use, I natively use the iOS apps on the iPad with core data stored in the cloud (and locally backed up offline) that is accessible by both my iOS and OSX devices. When I need to use OSX apps, I remotely connect to my iMac in my home office using my iPad (current RDP software is TeamViewer).

The Apple smart keyboard allows for easy attachment and removal so that I can use it in "full tablet mode".

I want/need both a tablet and a notebook. There is no option currently available the evenly straddles between both. The Surface falls on the notebook side, the iPad Pro on the tablet side. Having had extensive experience with Surface devices, I have concluded that the iPad Pro can more closely fit in with my use cases than the Surface Pro can.

In your case you are still using your iMac as your main computer remotely but could you replace your iMac with just an iPad Pro and I think in your case no.
Shiller seems to think IOS can replace desktops and laptops and in some cases where all you do is consumption you could but for everyday work and cross platform OS apps except for the ones ported to IOS you can't.

 

[sracer]

In your case you are still using your iMac as your main computer remotely but could you replace your iMac with just an iPad Pro and I think in your case no.

That wouldn't be a "no"... it'd be a "heck no!"

Shiller seems to think IOS can replace desktops and laptops and in some cases where all you do is consumption you could but for everyday work and cross platform OS apps except for the ones ported to IOS you can't.

Yeah, Shiller is engaging in nothing more than marketing hyperbole. It's sad.

 

[nia820]

No, they won't change their minds: this is nothing like changing the screen size of the iPhone or the iPad, or releasing a stylus. They did that to sell more devices. Apple is a hardware maker and wants to sell hardware. Merging two top selling hardware devices into one, by doing a huge, huge (I cannot stress this enough) huge software engineering effort, is just crazy. It would completely mess up their hardware line up and commercial strategy. And there is no indication whatsoever that it would lead to a better user experience. Look at the competition.

A osx hybrid tablet wouldn't kill macbook sales just like the surface doesn't kill laptop sales. You'll actually find that surface owners also own laptops.

Maybe an OSX hybrid isn't the answer. But apple needs to make ios for ipad more functional. It is ridiculous that a "pro" product doesn't have a file viewer.

So Tim says osx for tablets will never happen, so fine. But Tim needs to do more with ios for ipad.

 

[ThunderSkunk]

When you try using OSX on a small touchscreen display, you discover the same thing Apple did. It doesn't work well, because everything's too small and it's too hard to be accurate enough when using fingertips which obscure what they're trying to touch as they touch it.

But when you use OS X on a large touchscreen display, you realize that problem goes away, and it's the best way of interacting with the best operating system and best applications going. We can and do actually do this now, thanks to Wacom, but it is very very expensive, and their hardwares touch functionality is still young yet.

The combination of the current iPad Pros display and pencil technology, applied to about a 15" display, with the horsepower and cross-platform capabilities of an intel chipset, running OSX, would be an ideal addition to the Mac line, and not cannibalize the lineup as they already have building all the macbook/air/pro variants.

If you want the laptop, you buy the laptop, get a keyboard, & no touchscreen.
If you want the tablet, buy the tablet, get no keyboard, and use the touscreen.
Two very different things.
If you want a cheaper, mobile device for playing around on, get an iPad.
Three different things.

There's a gaping hole in Apples line, where a product should be to bridge it.

 

[CE3]

After Cook's remarks about the ultimate computer experience, or whatever it was he said, I am really worried that their goal is to completely phase out laptops and, Gods forbid, desktops. :/

People love to throw around lines like, "If Steve were alive.." & "Steve Jobs is rolling in his grave" for a lot of unnecessary things.. but Steve would truly roll in his grave if Apple phased out their desktops & laptops. Don't worry, it's not gonna happen.

The future is both iOS & Mac OS ecosystems continuing to evolve and becoming more interconnected - not putting Mac OS on an iPad.

 

[ThunderSkunk]

A better Mac OS / iOS hybrid lies in the way both ecosystems continue to evolve and become more interconnected - not putting Mac OS on an iPad.

So you think there's a long future ahead of the mouse and typewriter interface?
A thousand years from now, to do any real work, people are still going to sit in a chair all day using their arm to chase a single point cursor around on a screen and bang on a keyboard to type out a novels worth of memorized key commands to get it to do what they want?

Don't be ridiculous. The old hamfisted way of interacting with your content through these clunky old tools is rapidly coming to an end. It's clear Apple is at least aware of this, even if their average customer is not.

 

[Mr. Buzzcut]

People love to throw around lines like, "If Steve were alive.." & "Steve Jobs is rolling in his grave" for a lot of unnecessary things.. but Steve would truly roll in his grave if Apple phased out their desktops & laptops. Don't worry, it's not gonna happen.

The future is both iOS & Mac OS ecosystems continuing to evolve and becoming more interconnected - not putting Mac OS on an iPad.

Well...

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/tech-sanity-check/steve-jobs-proclaims-the-post-pc-era-has-arrived/