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Why invest a fortune in Apple's latest attempt to own the accessory market. Thunderbolt flopped, Firewire flopped, ADB flopped. Maybe this time will work out for Apple, maybe it won't, but either way, why pour money into it now?

USB-C is an industry-standard connector like USB-A and USB-B. It is not something created by Apple (like FireWire was). It is already being adopted by PC and electronics manufacturers across the planet and that adoption will only increase over time.

As they were with USB-A (on the original iMac), Apple is just ahead of the curve.
 
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I don't care what Timmy or anyone else says, what the "numbers" say,etc.

I'm not buying crippled, amputee Macs with single port-types and dongle/dock requirements for formerly built-in functionality and features.

I'll hold on to my FAR more flexible (albeit heavier) 17 until Apple gives me something I can use to replace it or it dies and I (reluctantly) give my money to Razer for their 17 instead because Apple doesn't care for users like me (anymore).
 
Let's be honest, 99% of those that complained about the MBP don't have the money to buy one even if it had all the specs they wanted.

That number is based on what? ;-)

Mainly pro users were complaining and refusing to buy. Exactly those pro users usually do have the money because they work hard and really know their ****.

Especially in the pro segment, it's NOT about being able to afford a macbook. That sounds so ridiculous. It's about price/value/return-on-investment. We are talking about macbook PRO, right? ;-)

If you really believe that pro users can't afford an expensive computer, then your image of a pro user is VERY questionable. A pro user earns at least several hundret bucks per day, minimum. Believe me, a typical pro user can easily afford such a machine.

Successful people don't need a laptop to define themselves. There is intellect, houses, women, cars and boats for that. :)
 
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I don't care what Timmy or anyone else says, what the "numbers" say,etc.

I'm not buying crippled, amputee Macs with single port-types and dongle/dock requirements for formerly built-in functionality and features.

I'll hold on to my FAR more flexible (albeit heavier) 17 until Apple gives me something I can use to replace it or it dies and I (reluctantly) give my money to Razer for their 17 instead because Apple doesn't care for users like me (anymore).

With the 2016 MBP, Apple has signalled their intention to go all-in with USB C, and I honestly doubt this is a decision they will backtrack on unless the entire Mac community did a coordinated boycott of all their Mac products or something along that scale.

Whatever it is you want Apple to give you, you will likely not get it. You can try to hold out for as long as you can, but the chances are that you will capitulate way before Apple does.
 
Source?

That's what I thought...



1. They didn't grew only 4%

2. Nobody will care for MSOffice because it's a monopoly.

Meanwhile, the Surface sales went down 26% y/y in revenue....... OUCH!



Ahaha! MsVerge... they are just simply ridiculous, like when they rated the AWatch significantly worse than the Moto 270

https://i.redd.it/oc3bcvu2ubuy.jpg



Inflation:

In economics, inflation is a sustained increase in the general price level of goods and services in an economyover a period of time. When the price level rises, each unit of currency buys fewer goods and services; consequently, inflation reflects a reduction in the purchasing power per unit of money – a loss of real value in the medium of exchange and unit of account within the economy.

& This ladies & gentlemen is a great example of a consumer fed, armchair expert with blind brand loyalty.

The fact he mentions nobody will care for Microsoft Office just renders his entire post - & in fact his past & future opinions with regards to anything technical moot.

Get a job.
[doublepost=1494157231][/doublepost]PS: Reading the vast majority of 'defendants' in this thread lead me to believe that Apple's only remaining users are home users with either Mum & Dads wallet or far to much to waste.

The chap who posts a picture of his single TB3 Connection. Yes it looks clean, but in the real world it's not practical & a single point of failure. Not to mention TB cables have no lock on the connection & are notorious for port flex over time.

Unless you are professionally required to edit using FCPX, or even Logic - which, believe me 99% of post houses have moved to Adobe, then there is no reason to own a Mac anymore. Windows 10 is a solid operatibg system & there are fantastic devices out there right now to utilise the software. Not to mention the hardware available.

Unless of course you are the minority which just 'want' a Mac, then sure, nobody can deny someones passion. But for the love of god do not pretend that the it is the superior option. Running a single 5K display let alone the 2560x1600/ 3200x1800 resolutions on these GPU strangled machines make my eyes bleed - leave that for the real power house workstations out there which Apple do not produce, at all.
 
There's quite a few more monitors than two. Start here.

You're right that there are more choices than there used to be. Give it another 6 months and more of the objections will probably have gone away - and, hopefully, there will also be a decent choice of TB3 docks.

However, I'd point out that those are all USB-C which means that a 4k@60Hz display will snarf all four of USB-C's high speed data lanes, so all the downstream USB ports will be USB C only... so, as a single-wire dock, OK for your mouse and keyboard - not so good for 1G ethernet and backup drives. Also, I think the jury is still out on whether 60W is enough for a 15" MBP (if 60W is 'good enough' why do Apple - who are too tight to even bundle a new charge cable and extension cord if you buy an extra charger - bundle an 87W charger?)

USB-A and Ethernet ($20)
..."Out of stock"

DisplayPort ($14)
...Actually, I need MiniDP socket for the LED Cinema display at work (a decent display which isn't getting upgraded any time soon - I've succumbed to using my own laptop, but bringing my own display is a bit much),
When I was looking last year, there was one USB-C to MiniDP socket available on Amazon which had a slew of "avoid - does not work" reviews. This looks OK and, today, finally seems to be available (it hasn't been in the past).

All Legacy Video ($20)
...again, a recent appearance.

And you don't need multiple sets. You can just take them with you.


I don't need a $2000 MacBook Pro. I use MacOS because I prefer it to Windows, not because Windows running on cheap commodity PC hardware wouldn't get the job done. Frankly, unless my current kit dies suddenly, I don't need a new Mac at all - at the end of the day we're probably talking about a 50% speed increase over my 2011 MBP which is nice but it doesn't turn time-for-coffee-break tasks into real time ones (the way 2-yearly computer upgrades did in the past).

Currently, the only adapter I need to carry with me is the miniDP-to-VGA adapter, which I only need to plug into data projectors on the hoof and can hence live in my travel bag (and if I do forget it, its easy to borrow one). I don't even take the power supply to and from work, because the cinema display on my office desk has that. My £500 price tag on docks & dongles wasn't what I could get by with - it was what would give me an experience at least as good as what I already have.

Also put this in the context of a substantial hike in price c.f. the earlier generation plus - for many of us outside the US - an across-the-board "correction" for currency changes (which can't entirely be blamed on Apple but still has to be paid).

Sounds to me like you haven't actually sat down and added up your Total Cost of Ownership - "only $20" here, "only $20" there and "$50 for a TB2-TB3 adapter for a few months until the 5k came out" soon add up, and while the $2000 you've spent on new displays comes with the benefit of two very nice displays, you can't completely discount it.
 
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The chap who posts a picture of his single TB3 Connection. Yes it looks clean, but in the real world it's not practical & a single point of failure. Not to mention TB cables have no lock on the connection & are notorious for port flex over time.
i'm not following.

TB3 uses USB-C style plug.. are you saying this connector is notorious for port flex over time?
or, are you saying mini-display-port plugs are notorious for that? (which is what TB1&2 used).. if that's your point then i don't see how you're trying to tie it into the chap posting a pic of TB3 connection.
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I'm really sorry for you that you succumbed to the Apple Hating internet memes.

The 2016 MBP is simply superior in every conceivable way to its 2015 predecessor.


"The 2016 MBP is simply superior over priced as hell POS" amazing at the local Apple Store I can walk and ask ANY of the sales people which 15" sells more? And they always say the previous model. Bestbuy same thing.

People were complaining about Apple not having touch screen well now you have Apples version of touch screen. Processor in the previous model was fine. And it still must be fine if the previous model either NEW or refurbished are selling out. Previous version 13" MBP in refurbished area selling very well.
 
And why would anyone do that? Seriously. It seems one would have something to prove. To whom, exactly? And for what conceivable reason would anyone need to do that or care, really, one way or the other?

This forum really does boggle the mind at times.
 
That number is based on what? ;-)

Mainly pro users were complaining and refusing to buy. Exactly those pro users usually do have the money because they work hard and really know their ****.

Especially in the pro segment, it's NOT about being able to afford a macbook. That sounds so ridiculous. It's about price/value/return-on-investment. We are talking about macbook PRO, right? ;-)

If you really believe that pro users can't afford an expensive computer, then your image of a pro user is VERY questionable. A pro user earns at least several hundret bucks per day, minimum. Believe me, a typical pro user can easily afford such a machine.

Successful people don't need a laptop to define themselves. There is intellect, houses, women, cars and boats for that. :)

The majority of MBP users are not pro users. I know hundreds of pro users. Real folks that do video, graphics, CAD, and other work 40+ hours a week. There are very little in the way of complaints from that group. The vast majority is from the everyday users who think they need the power of a MBP to browse the internet and play iTunes.
 
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USB-C is an industry-standard connector like USB-A and USB-B. It is not something created by Apple (like FireWire was).

Same is true of Thunderbolt, and there were plenty of PC motherboards that had a Thunderbolt port. But it was another giant Apple flop.

Not saying USB-C will flop, I'm just saying it's too early to tell and way too early for a consumer to go all in on USB-C and way, way too early for a USB-C only computer.
 
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Same is true of Thunderbolt, and there were plenty of PC motherboards that had a Thunderbolt port. But it was another giant Apple flop.

Not saying USB-C will flop, I'm just saying it's too early to tell and way too early for a consumer to go all in on USB-C and way, way too early for a USB-C only computer.
how will USB-C flop? it's just a plug that works with pretty much everything..

you keep trying to compare it to things like thunderbolt or firewire (neither of which flopped btw)..
but they're not comparable.

USB-C can transmit thunderbolt.. it can also carry various other data protocols (such as usb3 etc), various video signals (including dp1.4 and hdmi), audio, electricity..

like-- there's finally a plug to do it all which was also developed with future proofing in mind and you're knocking it!?

dongle hell? how about having a look at that drawer full of random cables and plugs.. that's the 'hell' usb-c is going to do away with.

(also, all the other usb-c power plugs from other manufacturers also work to charge macbooks)


idk, i think you're going to be hard pressed to find many (or any) tech writers etc who actually know what they're talking about to say similar stuff as what you're saying..
i'm pretty convinced you're not actually understanding what USB-C is.

especially when you say things like this:
This USB-C only nonsense from Apple is just Apple's attempt to force their new port to succeed
(hint - it's not Apple's new port.. it's developed and controlled by the same group who brought you USB-A and USB-C amongst other connectors & protocols)
or this:
the present is USB 3, not USB-C.
(hint- USB-C carries USB3.. plus a whole lot of other stuff)

or this:
USB C is 10 times the price and offers zero performance advantage
uhh.

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not to mention.. wireless is what's going to be the ultimate solution and already is in many many cases..
 
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Any thoughts on these complaints of popping and clacking noises from 15" MBPs when they heat up? There seem to be a lot of reports of the issue on Apple Discussions and other places. I'd like to purchase one but I'm worried that this might be a widespread issue; it's hard to gauge and contextualize these things on the internet :/
 
So let me get this straight. Apple managed to move an extra 165,000 or so new Macbook units in this quarter vs the same quarter last year. And yet somehow their profits grew 14%. This means their profit margins went through the roof on the new Macbook. I knew the price hike was in the $350-$400, in the US at least, but that just tells me that they did it because they could. Correct me if my math is wrong but I'm pretty sure it's not. My god those margins are crazy good for Apple.

This whole game is all in how you spin the numbers folks. This article may seem amazing but if you compare this to last quarter. It doesn't look as good. They moved 1.175 million fewer units from last quarter. Around a -22% drop. Call it holiday sales or call it pent up demand since they were released last quarter but that is a significant drop in sales if you ask me.

On the market share side Apple gained around 0.3%. So let's party, right? Meanwhile HP gained somewhere around 1.5-2% pushing them close to 22% market share globally. Dell and Acer also gained greater % market share then Apple this quarter. The only one that dropped slightly was Lenovo.

Link to actual financial report: http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-q2-earnings-2017-5

Link for PC Market Share: http://www.businessinsider.com/top-pc-companies-sales-idc-market-share-chart-2017-4


On a personal level I'm not a fan of the new Macbook. We distribute them at my work place because we really don't have much of a choice if someone wants a Macbook. Whenever I ask an employee how they like the new Macbook, most of them say it's ok. The two main complaints we get is the dongle situation and battery life. I've had maybe 1 or 2 people say that they really like the new model. One person in particular wants us to fix his battery life issue but there isn't anything wrong with the software or hardware, we even had Apple look at it. The battery life just isn't good for this user and how they use the machine. They keep asking if there is a way to fix it and I just started replying with "I'm not a magician. Apple did this to you not me." You drop the battery size by something like 20% there will be impact to people, especially those that don't use their Macbook to just browse the web.
 
We distribute them at my work place because we really don't have much of a choice if someone wants a Macbook.

And this helps explain how Apple was able to push out 165,000 more MacBook Pros. It's not through how great the product is, it's that there really isn't another option if you want a portable Mac with anything resembling performance hardware (even if out dated, and overpriced). And for larger companies and enterprise situations I imagine you can't just load up on Refreshed 2015 MacBook Pros, that it's either the 2016 or nothing.

It's easier of individuals to thumb their noses and buy "last years", not so easy for large organizations.
 
I really want a new laptop. My MacBook Pro is over four years old, very dented and the battery doesn't last that long any more.

But Apple's whole line-up seems a disjointed mess. I don't want to invest while it seems they don't know what they're doing.

The MacBook has only USB-C and no lightning. But it does have a headphone jack.

The iPhone has lightning and no headphone jack.

But the MacBook Pro has more USB-C ports (or are they Thunderbolt?) and a headphone jack. But still no lightning.

The MacBook and MacBook Pro charge using USB-C. The MacBook Air charges using a Magsafe charger. Because it doesn't have USB-C. Or lightning. But it does have USB 3. And an SD card slot.

When there's more parity between their Macs and their phones and their tablets, I'll be ready to buy.
 
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Luckily, I bought a 15" 2015 and a 2012 13" MBP from BestBuy about two years ago so I am good to go for a few years more at least. I would not have bought the current MBP in it's current concoction. Not sure what I'll do when it's time for a new computer.

Imagine how many more MBPs they could have sold if these had the ports people wanted.
 
I really want a new laptop. My MacBook Pro is over four years old, very dented and the battery doesn't last that long any more.

But Apple's whole line-up seems a disjointed mess. I don't want to invest while it seems they don't know what they're doing.

The MacBook has only USB-C and no lightning. But it does have a headphone jack.

The iPhone has lightning and no headphone jack.

But the MacBook Pro has more USB-C ports (or are they Thunderbolt?) and a headphone jack. But still no lightning.

The MacBook and MacBook Pro charge using USB-C. The MacBook Air charges using a Magsafe charger. Because it doesn't have USB-C. Or lightning. But it does have USB 3. And an SD card slot.

When there's more parity between their Macs and their phones and their tablets, I'll be ready to buy.

Your problem is easily solved by buying a USB-C to lightning cable, so I am not sure what your issue is.
 
Your problem is easily solved by buying a USB-C to lightning cable, so I am not sure what your issue is.

By not buying a new Mac, I don't have a problem to start with.

My issue isn't what cable/adapter I would need, but how Apple doesn't seem to know what their computers should be like. They're all different.

I'm waiting until they work it out.
 
I think some people on here are forgetting that Tim specifically said the NEW MacBook Pro's meaning the ones announced in October

"We had great Mac results during the quarter. Revenue grew 14 percent to a new March quarter record, and we gained market share thanks to strong demand for our new MacBook Pros."

Whether some people on here like it or not it seems that the new MacBook Pro's are a hit.

This statement to which you refer is intentionally vague. Yes, Mac sales are up by 14%, BUT....

What percentage of that 14% does the tbMBP comprise?

Tim can say Apple gained market share thanks to the new MBPs, but that can merely mean they contributed to overall sales just like every other Mac which was sold. Tim might as well have said "we gained market share thanks to strong demand for {fill in the Mac model}."

Edit: Strong demand is merely jargon for "Mac ... revenue grew 14%."
 
By not buying a new Mac, I don't have a problem to start with.

My issue isn't what cable/adapter I would need, but how Apple doesn't seem to know what their computers should be like. They're all different.

I'm waiting until they work it out.

How so? It's either USB C, adaptors or not at all.

There is no lightning port for Macs. It's either USB C or A for the charging end.
 
how many times have you actually done this?
honestly

Seven times, we went in Saturday with a friend to pick out an iMac and the husband asked the same thing about the 15" MBP and he was told that they sell a little more of the new model BUT that they see allot more returns of the new style next to the previous model. Same thing happened in the Apple store in MA.
 
If the new MacBook Pro is selling like hotcakes, why is it that I have only seen two or three in the wild since the release? I travel a lot so my local coffee shop is not my metric.
People don't upgrade their laptops like they update their phones. Even the most enthusiastic tech consumers keep their laptops for at least a few years. So you're not likely to see a bunch of 2016's in the wild.
 
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