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That doesn't mean that they joined. It just means they have access. DROPOUTJEEP was an exploit and NOT an already installed backdoor like other companies have. (Microsoft, Google, etc..) Just to prove my point... DROPOUTJEEP exploit has been fixed: http://www.iphonejd.com/iphone_jd/2...ty-flaw-in-ios-perhaps-thanks-to-snowden.html

All the articles about Apple collecting your data has no proof in it. Don't you think that if the NSA wants your information they would try NOT to get you to buy things they don't have access to? Think of why the media always bash Apple every chance they get.The NSA and government DON'T WANT YOU TO BUY ANY APPLE PRODUCT PERIOD! Facebook is filled with bots that bash Apple products by trying to convince people that Android is better or that people are switching more to Android.

9to5Mac has been invaded by 2 journalists that posts negative things about Apple and I have blasted them out on comments and they completely removed it to shut me up. The two journalists are below:




Both these guys work for corporations and I advise everybody to start researching their stuff so you get to know your journalists on what is fact and what is fake.

Has Apple ever lied to you before? When the iPhone 4 had the antenna gate did they lie about it? No... When the whole thing of Foxconn happen did they lie about it? No... While many other companies refuse to comment on their NSA deal or if they do comment about it they're all lies Apple is the only one that is showing they are trying to do something about it. It's time to wake up and realize what our government and the NSA is doing.

That's an impressive subjugation of reality.
 
They don't unlock the data as evidenced by the fact that all it lets you do is pick a new password. The questions do not give you access to the data. The encryption key for the data is replicated in the data encrypted by the questions. It's a second password essentially. Password checking works by comparing hashes, not comparing plaintext. Same with the answers to the questions.

And Apple didn't "give" the NSA anything. They took whatever they took, probably by intercepting communications between data centers. And there's no evidence they've taken any encrypted iCloud information.

They unlock either my password or, more likely, my data. If my data were encrypted so that only my password were able to open it, nobody (including me) would be able to reset the password and access any of my data uploaded under the old password. However, that's exactly what someone can do.

Secondly, there is no guarantee that Apple does not have some way into my data because the entire login and decryption process takes place on their servers. If they are giving any data to the NSA, they must have a back door… or TRANSLTR :)D). For it to be secure and honest, I would need the decryption done on my side on an open-source component of OS X or iOS.

The fact that Apple and other companies always state that they "try" to keep our data private or state that they share a few things is frightening. You'd think that they'd want to just say "we share nothing". I mean, that's what the privacy policy on my networked app says.
 
Apple can reset your password at any time, they can get into your account whenever they want to - let's no be silly here.

Doesn't mean they read everyones messages, they don't care.

But they will give access to your account when the government knocks on their door - they have to.

Cook is intentionally misleading in his statement about the encryption of messages.

For someone who seemingly has no inkling about how security works, you sure do have confidence... Affirming there is a conspiracy is not proof that a conspiracy exists; better try some other stronger logical line.
 
I would trust Tim with my nude photos. Also, Tim seems to have some weird fantasy about being carted out in a box. At least it seems to be his favorite analogy.
 
I worked for CE Software for a short time(makers of QuickMail, long since bankrupt). The CEO at the time had a company meeting to rally the employees and his rallying cry was to tell us that "our job is to make money for our shareholders".. I can't tell you what a motivational speech that was. Didn't take long for it to go bankrupt after that :)

The number one aim for ANY company is to maximise the wealth of its shareholders. How it does that is what makes the difference.
 
'We Try Not to Collect Data'

If that's what Tim Cook actually said and not a MacRumours lie then . . . .

You either collect data or you do not. There is no try to ********.
 
"We try to respect your privacy, but when we feel you should have the new U2 album then we'll force it onto your devices."


You get something free from someone, and you are so upset that you slap them in the face!!! What is this world coming to, I wonder... Ever heard of humility and gratitude??

Perhaps you believe that the free gift in fact is a spyware, masquerading as a U2 Album, to collect all your private data......

I see you are back on other threads with your 'imagined Apple bashing' conspiracies.. Samsung must pay you well...
 
You're missing the point of why people are upset about this. Last week Apple pushed an album out to everyone's devices.

What stops them later down the line from pushing a great new social or entertainment app to your phone without your consent that you can't remove?

Would that bother you? Or would you just tell people to hurry up and get over it?

They were not pushed to devices. The album was automatically put on everyone's Purchased list. You decided to let music auto-download onto your device. That's not Apple's fault
 
In a table, Apple wrote (with emphasis – red – added by me):

All traffic between your devices and iCloud Mail and Notes is encrypted with SSL. Consistent with standard industry practice, iCloud does not encrypt data stored on IMAP mail servers. All Apple email clients support optional S/MIME encryption.

… iCloud … encrypt your mails? Nope, only the transmission.

All Mails and attachments are stored completely unencrypted.

One of my pet peeves, perhaps my biggest one, is people who make assumptions without any supporting evidence … Apple does, in fact, "bother" to encrypt iCloud email stored on the servers:

This means that your data is protected from unauthorized access both while it is being transmitted to your devices and when it is stored in the cloud

In the paragraph quoted by Wondercow, Apple also wrote:

… review the table …
 
No, Apple forced a free album onto everyone. If they gave it or offered it to people, it would have been opt-in.

You seem so sure that Apple won't use their ability to push things to your phone that it feels you should have to start sneak-installing applications and services.

I hope for your sake, at least, that you're right.

Not so. Put it onto everyone's Purchased list - you decided to let it auto-download
 
You get something free from someone, and you are so upset that you slap them in the face!!! What is this world coming to, I wonder... Ever heard of humility and gratitude??

Perhaps you believe that the free gift in fact is a spyware, masquerading as a U2 Album, to collect all your private data......

I see you are back on other threads with your 'imagined Apple bashing' conspiracies.. Samsung must pay you well...

If there wasn't a problem, Apple wouldn't have created this. Surely, I'm not imagining it.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6439?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

And, please. Try not to resort to the childish and tired "Hurrhurr you must be paid by Samsung!" routine when someone disagrees with you online... It's very transparent.

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They were not pushed to devices. The album was automatically put on everyone's Purchased list. You decided to let music auto-download onto your device. That's not Apple's fault

Not so. Put it onto everyone's Purchased list - you decided to let it auto-download

Oh, so I was using iTunes wrong?

Hmm, why does that sound familiar... Oh, right.

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Hmm which was that giant company, whose business is to collect user data from email, phone, glasses, watches, maps, home thermostat, etc and sell it to the government, oops I mean other companies.
 
Hmm which was that giant company, whose business is to collect user data from email, phone, glasses, watches, maps, home thermostat, etc and sell it to the government, oops I mean other companies.

Google. It's well established they sell your data to their partners, yet some people here try to use it as some sort of bulletpoint. Like people aren't aware of it already.

Google is a data-mining company. It's not news.
 
Google. It's well established they sell your data to their partners, yet some people here try to use it as some sort of bulletpoint. Like people aren't aware of it already.

Google is a data-mining company. It's not news.

of course it's not news.
it just becomes ****ing stupid when people try to compare apple to google on this matter.
 
of course it's not news.
it just becomes ****ing stupid when people try to compare apple to google on this matter.

I don't see anyone who's directly arguing that.

My point was I wish Tim Cook would stop giving lip service on television and actually do something useful to improve the security of iCloud.

Talking about how safe your product is doesn't make it so.
 
of course it's not news.
it just becomes ****ing stupid when people try to compare apple to google on this matter.


Today 10:42 AM
Glibglob
Guys, please don't feed the troll
We all know who it is...thanks.

I would follow the advise from Glibglob....
 
Secondly, there is no guarantee that Apple does not have some way into my data

People actually mention the word "guarantee" when it comes to data security on the Internet?

There is never a guarantee. It doesn't even matter whether or not the NSA has backdoors to Apple, Google, etc. If the NSA wants your data, they will get it, and a backdoor into some company servers only makes it marginally easier for them.

The more important question is whether or not Apple collects data for the sake of collecting data. When the NSA collects data, then at least I can say that it is a government agency which works for an elected government (with the most important question being not whether data is being collected but whether the government still has full control over that agency). But I have never elected Google or Apple. I may have bought their products, but that does not imply that I wanted to imbue them with any kind of "power". But data is raw power. If people feel more comfortable with that power being in the hands of corporations than with that power being in the hands of elected governments, then capitalism has really won big time.

Google for example could know more about most people than even their closest friends or their spouses. They can correlate huge amounts of data into profiles that say more about you than you would ever be willing to reveal to any living person. And they are very much in the business of using that data. The NSA is at least supposed to be bound by laws and due process, and they are supposed to be tightly controlled by the government (and yes, note the usage of the word "supposed"). Google on the other hand is pretty much free to do whatever they want. There is not even a "supposed" level of control there. People worry about the NSA and babble about Big Brother while naively ignoring the real threat. My vision of the future is that Google will be Big Brother. A non-elected corporation outside of any public control whatsoever using its knowledge to exert power. Heck, there are already many many people who have telescreens with Google software on it in their living rooms. That is the scenario I really worry about. And that is why a statement like "We don't collect data" is a fairly major statement to me. As far as I am concerned, no company should be allowed to collect data beyond what the customers have very explicitly asked them to collect.
 
Today 10:42 AM
Glibglob
Guys, please don't feed the troll
We all know who it is...thanks.

I wold follow the advise from Glibglob....

Oh dear. Heaven forbid someone say something not positive about Apple.

We absolutely cannot have that here.

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I am new to this thread.

Who is the troll?
Me??? :mad:

No, they're trying to paint me out as a troll because I dare say something not-so-nice about the way Apple does things.

Sort of like if you're going to own Apple products, you must speak nice about them at all times.

Some people here need to grow thicker skin and not take things so personally.
 
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