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You're missing the point of why people are upset about this. Last week Apple pushed an album out to everyone's devices.

What stops them later down the line from pushing a great new social or entertainment app to your phone without your consent that you can't remove?

Would that bother you? Or would you just tell people to hurry up and get over it?

Oh, horrors. What's to stop google from selling everything it knows about you to your neighbor?

Answer: it already does.
 
Yes google does sell your info, what you search for, what to sell you, etc. Google knows more about you than you do.

Oh, horrors. What's to stop google from selling everything it knows about you to your neighbor?

Answer: it already does.
 
Completely lied about them not holding the encryption keys to iMessage. Users don't hold them... Learn your products mr cook.

No he didn't. They don't have the key. Asymmetric keys are created on your device. Only your public keys are sent to Apple (to verify things signed with your private keys). When you send an iMessage, your device fetches the other party;s public key from Apple, and uses it to encrypt the message (so that it can only be decrypted with the other party's private key). It then signs it with your private key (so it can be verified with your public key).

Apple never has anyone's private key, so it cannot decrypt anything.
 
You're missing the point of why people are upset about this. Last week Apple pushed an album out to everyone's devices.

What stops them later down the line from pushing a great new social or entertainment app to your phone without your consent that you can't remove?

Would that bother you? Or would you just tell people to hurry up and get over it?

Another half truth. They didn't "push an album down to everyone's devices." Hell, I had to go through a lot of work to get it down to mine. It wasn't nearly as smooth a deployment as Apple would have us believe. If you don't have automatic downloads of purchases enabled, something I'm sure you don't given your distrust of Apple, it wouldn't have come down to your devices.

How much more FUD are you going to throw up against the wall?
 
I really don't get why people think Apple is so "good" compared to other companies. At the end of the day, they're in it to maximize shareholder profit, by any means necessary short of doing something that would land them all in prison. I guess if it makes everyone feel better that they "try" to be "good", then that's fine. I for one don't trust them any more than I do Microsoft/Google/GM/etc.
 
Another half truth. They didn't "push an album down to everyone's devices." Hell, I had to go through a lot of work to get it down to mine. It wasn't nearly as smooth a deployment as Apple would have us believe.

How much more FUD are you going to throw up against the wall?

If it wasn't a big deal, they wouldn't have created a web page specifically so people could remove it from their libraries.

It's not FUD if it's actually happening.

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If you know that google is a bad offender shouldn't you be protesting google?

What makes you think I'm not on another forum? I use both Apple and Google products, and I'm as rough on one as I am the other.
 
Well that's not true.

Apple has so much money that they can say stuff like this.

Tim Cook tells climate change sceptics to ditch Apple shares
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...ok-climate-change-sceptics-ditch-apple-shares

In an emotional response to the National Center for Public Policy Research (NCPPR), Apple CEO Tim Cook soundly rejected the politics of the group and suggested it stop investing in Apple if it doesn't like his approach to sustainability and other issues.
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/arti...ics-of-the-ncppr-suggests-group-sell-apples-s

No, you're completely wrong. Apple doesn't cater to the share holders.

I really don't get why people think Apple is so "good" compared to other companies. At the end of the day, they're in it to maximize shareholder profit, by any means necessary short of doing something that would land them all in prison. I guess if it makes everyone feel better that they "try" to be "good", then that's fine. I for one don't trust them any more than I do Microsoft/Google/GM/etc.


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You know the offense of google but yet you still buy their products.

It sounds to me that you're not worried about it at all and that you're just riding the anti-apple crowd because it's "cool".

If it wasn't a big deal, they wouldn't have created a web page specifically so people could remove it from their libraries.

It's not FUD if it's actually happening.

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What makes you think I'm not on another forum? I use both Apple and Google products, and I'm as rough on one as I am the other.
 
I really don't get why people think Apple is so "good" compared to other companies. At the end of the day, they're in it to maximize shareholder profit, by any means necessary short of doing something that would land them all in prison. I guess if it makes everyone feel better that they "try" to be "good", then that's fine. I for one don't trust them any more than I do Microsoft/Google/GM/etc.

So it sounds like you don't believe that any company is capable of acting more ethically proper than any other company, which really gives you quite a lot of wiggle room to not pay any attention to how you interact with corporations, because they're all equally evil.

I'd submit that if you truly believe this, you're absolutely absurd, and there are many qualitative and quantitative metrics one can use to compare the ethical and moral actions of one corporation versus another. Just because you're too lazy or cynical to do it, don't try to convert us all to your breed of laziness and cynicism.
 
Excuse me for my jaded ways, but using any cloud or online service it's pretty much guaranteed for your data to be mined and shared. Apple or otherwise. The question just becomes how much you let be known online. :apple:
 
You know the offense of google but yet you still buy their products.

It sounds to me that you're not worried about it at all and that you're just riding the anti-apple crowd because it's "cool".

If I didn't buy products from companies that had things wrong with them, I wouldn't have any electronics at all. :)
 
"we try not to loose you photos"....

Where privacy is concerned, there is no "try". you do or you do not.

Though a very diplomatic answer by Cook.

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Excuse me for my jaded ways, but using any cloud or online service it's pretty much guaranteed for your data to be mined and shared. Apple or otherwise. The question just becomes how much you let be known online. :apple:

And also how much a company pushes for its functions/services to the cloud. It becomes a problem when you have to commit to the cloud when you want to remain in a given eco-system.
 
They don't have the key. Asymmetric keys are created on your device. [...] Apple never has anyone's private key, so it cannot decrypt anything.

That is completely false. What you're talking about is the transmission.
Nobody can intercept your iMessages, while they're being send. That's true.

BUT all your iMessages are stored in your iCloud backup, which is only protected by your login credentials.

Apple always has your iCloud password. Apple can get into you iCloud account at any time and therefore read you Messages - if they wanted to.

They even restored iCloud backups via phone call - when people forgot their password - before they changed their policy on that (because of a very public abuse case). The tech didn't change.
 
And also how much a company pushes for its functions/services to the cloud. It becomes a problem when you have to commit to the cloud when you want to remain in a given eco-system.

You're always welcome to go back to having a dumb phone that won't require any cloud system to get the full features out of it. ;)

The cat's out of the bag for privacy. It's a pain, but your data is like toothpaste to Marketing and Intelligence agencies. It's not ever going to be put back in the tube, and it only makes the people using it healthier and have a gleaming smile. :apple:
 
That is completely false. What you're talking about is the transmission.
Nobody can intercept your iMessages, while they're being send. That's true.

BUT all your iMessages are stored in your iCloud backup, which is only protected by your login credentials.

Apple always has your iCloud password. Apple can get into you iCloud account at any time and therefore read you Messages - if they wanted to.

They even restored iCloud backups via phone call - when people forgot their password - before they changed their policy on that (because of a very public abuse case). The tech didn't change.

No, Apple does not have your iCloud password. They have a cryptographic hash of a salted version of your iCloud password. And nothing I said was false - it was all absolutely correct.
 
Please stop this arrogance! People like Fleming and Einstein changed the world, and they never told that. Apple do business with electronic devices and software. And there are definitively better places in the world!
 

It would be weird if Apple didn't. Salted Crypto Hashes are the best we know at the moment in terms of security to ease of use.

Someone who was assuming the Apple is at least following industry standard would have less to answer for than otherwise. Restoring iCloud backups is unrelated to the passwords protecting them depending on the protection system they use. :apple:
 
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