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Let's see how MacRumors forum members spin this one negatively.
I am so glad this is the first comment. The only reason I came into this post was to see how people turned this negative.
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Internet forum for opinions no?
You've been here for a while, so you've surely noticed the stream of negativity in every front page article for the past couple of weeks.
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Enjoy while it last, Tim. You won't last for too long as :apple: CEO. A few more strike outs and you are done.
Here we go! What an insightful, engaging comment.
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So you actually want to start this kind of discussion? :rolleyes:
They don't need to start anything, it WILL happen because the community here is extremely toxic.
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If we played the drinking game for when Cook said "Innovative/innovate/innovation" alone, anyone participating would either be in rehab or dead due to alcohol poisoning.
Or when those words get mentioned on Macrumors.
 
What the hell is Jeff Williams doing with Cook in this trip? Isn't he supposed to be back keeping watch over headquarters like a COO as he was promoted to be?

Oh wait..he's following Cook because...he's Cook's boy. Got it.

I don't like the looks of it.

I'm not really following what you're saying. They're working out lots of things with government regulators of China and India. Tim is there for the credibility, but these are the types of deals that a COO would be very involved with.
 
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What the hell is Jeff Williams doing with Cook in this trip? Isn't he supposed to be back keeping watch over headquarters like a COO as he was promoted to be?

Oh wait..he's following Cook because...he's Cook's boy. Got it.

I don't like the looks of it.
Someone has to keep watch over Apple headquarters when Cook is away for a few days? Wut??

I wish cook would return focus to innovation over global expansion. I know that's a selfish request, but I miss getting excited about new products.
Why can't they focus on both?
 
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Reduced sales growth of Apple products in America, Europe and China. Rather than trying to solve the issue by coming out with more refined and properly tested Operating System software and new innovative hardware, they just move along by trying to push their products and services onto the Indian market...

At least most people in India are used to service outages. So no one will go crazy when things don't work from time to time like us... gotta love Tim!
Why not both? The India market would open up billions in revenue. It makes sense to go after that market.
 
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It's not. This place has become a pit of toxicity. I generally just avoid the front page articles now.

I wonder sometimes how many people here are paid trolls. It's fine to have opinions, but I don't understand why you'd hang out all day every day on a forum about a company that you hate.
 
Tim is really trying to pucker up to China lately and I guess since he's in the neighborhood, India gets some brown-nosing too. It's not always clear what his motives are, but we've seen this kind of behavior many times in the past few years and there isn't much to show for. I'm not saying Tim isn't a good CEO, he just seems to have lost touch with what made Apple great, and is leading Apple down a bumpy road. Apple is a little messy lately, and kind of stale and boring. The magic is beginning to fizzle.
Yes God forbid Cook travel to countries where Apple manufactures and sells products and wants to increase sales even more. What a terrible thing to do. :rolleyes:
 
I am for Tim traveling around and trying to open markets for Apple. I am not for Tim with a Red dot between the eyes. That does not look good Tim.

It's possible that he didn't have much of a choice into doing that. That o it's just a sign of respect to do so.

But I don't know; I'm not Indian, nor do I claim to know that culture, so your guess is as good as mine.
 
Reduced sales growth of Apple products in America, Europe and China. Rather than trying to solve the issue by coming out with more refined and properly tested Operating System software and new innovative hardware, they just move along by trying to push their products and services onto the Indian market...

At least most people in India are used to service outages. So no one will go crazy when things don't work from time to time like us... gotta love Tim!

Perspective is key. A recent report showed that iPhones are far more reliable than Android... no surprise, considering most Android phones are running dated OSes and aren't upgradeable.

Also, who's innovated more in hardware in the past year than Apple? 3D Touch, Force Touch trackpads, True Tone display, 4 dynamically adjusting stereo speakers, Apple Pencil, A9 chip, Apple Watch (innovations in bands and more functionality crammed into 38mm than competing smart watches that were almost 50% bigger), etc.

That's a lot of innovation but people here seem to want another blockbuster like the iPhone. I think those people are going to be unhappy for a very long time.
 
I don't think you understand. I don't care if he's gay and that's his business. BUT, if Williams and Cook are what I think they are, it's unethical for Cook to promote "his boy" as COO.

It would be like having a CEO promote his/her lover to a position as second in command which is not right. It's almost nepotistic.

Remember, they BOTH attended Duke Uni, worked at IBM and joined Apple in 1998.

So in that sense, if Williams is a COO, he should be staying at headquarters and not following him around.
Your objections to Jeff Williams being on this trip seem petty at best.
 
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I don't think you understand. I don't care if he's gay and that's his business. BUT, if Williams and Cook are what I think they are, it's unethical for Cook to promote "his boy" as COO.

It would be like having a CEO promote his/her lover to a position as second in command which is not right. It's almost nepotistic.

Remember, they BOTH attended Duke Uni, worked at IBM and joined Apple in 1998.

So in that sense, if Williams is a COO, he should be staying at headquarters and not following him around.

You think??? Based on a random thought of yours, you feel the need make stuff up in order to spin a big bowl of FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt) for the world to see?

Oh, but wait, they both attended the same university, worked for another same company at different points in their lives, and joined Apple in the same year. Do you go out of your way to fantasize about similar possibilities at other large corporations? Digging up stuff about executives at Oracle, HP, Google, Salesforce, General Electric, Ford, NBC, Twitter, Levis, Samsung, Sony, and on and on?

You seem overly preoccupied with Cook's private life. Stop it. It's unhealthy...
 
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I'm not really following what you're saying. They're working out lots of things with government regulators of China and India. Tim is there for the credibility, but these are the types of deals that a COO would be very involved with.

Tim went to China and India because they are two of the most corrupt governments in the world and they will make life difficult for Apple in those countries unless he personally panders to them. All this pandering is becoming extremely cringeworthy. You would never have seen Steve Jobs do it.
 
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Tim is really trying to pucker up to China lately and I guess since he's in the neighborhood, India gets some brown-nosing too. It's not always clear what his motives are, but we've seen this kind of behavior many times in the past few years and there isn't much to show for. I'm not saying Tim isn't a good CEO, he just seems to have lost touch with what made Apple great, and is leading Apple down a bumpy road. Apple is a little messy lately, and kind of stale and boring. The magic is beginning to fizzle.
If you ask me, I think the magic is already faded.
 
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What the hell is Jeff Williams doing with Cook in this trip? Isn't he supposed to be back keeping watch over headquarters like a COO as he was promoted to be?

Oh wait..he's following Cook because...he's Cook's boy. Got it.

I don't like the looks of it.

It could be that Tim is thinking about expanding their production line into India, since working in China means working with their fickle and oppressive government.
 
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This is what happened to Dell. They moved all their customer service to India. It sucks. I hated it. Now Apple will probably do the same thing. Apple has started going down hill and I'm feeling the effects of it lately.

I hate offshore tech assistance too. However, it's easy to just ask for a U.S. based representative when the heavily accented voice starts up on the other end.

CitiBank and many others do this & I can't stand it, so demand for competent English speaking help on this side of the pond! Once the call is completed, ask the U.S. based rep to push your annoyance up the food chain so the corporate bosses get the picture!
 
Samsung and others are lobbying hard to keep iPhones from competing with their lower end smartphones.

Uh, a 400.00 (in the us)se iphone which is the lowest priced already does not compete with lower end android. In fact a moto x style/pure, a flagship device, is about 300.00. I'm just saying iphones may sell and may sell well but they are in no way competing with lower end smartphones. It's on their own merit.

In fact I bet, like here in mexico, iphones cost quite a bit more than in the us. An se starts at 9000. pesos or 525.00 us. That in no way competes with low end smartphones, a moto g turbo goes for 4600. off moto mexico with fast charging and it's half the price of the se and even a moto x style/pure goes for 8500.. Lower end phones go for 100.00 us or so and is really what most people use. Not a lot of people want to pay thousands of pesos more for a tiny screen.

Just to show the price difference a 6s starts at 694.00 and a 6s plus is 958. Those prices are for a 16gb and no expansion card slot.

I'm not saying iphones are bad phones. I'm just saying that anyone that thinks any iphone that is competing in the lower end smartphone market needs to take a closer look. Especially in many places other than the us. Android phones do not have the same markup here as iphones do. I understand it's a us company but they are still made in china like pretty much all the others. I have never seen a 6 or 6 plus in the wild here and no competetion in the lower market is why apple has a 6% market share in all apple products.

Apple is really in their own slot in places like this, they are not competing with anyone. People that can afford the extravagance. I have a feeling india is a lot the same way.

I know it's more competetive in the us, but that has nothing to do with places like this.

OK, I just did some checking around and it appears dollar wise the se is about the same price as here in mexico. How is 525.00 competing in the lower smartphone market? It's not, that's the problem. Not to mention 525.00 looks a lot different to most people in places like this and india than it does to people in the us, guaranteed. 525.00 is months of work to most people here, 48% earn about 100.00 a month.

I know this is a long winded post but people in the us and possibly europe do not understand that much poorer countries have to pay something like 30% more for even the cheapest smartphone. The se is not a competitor for the lower end market for 525.00 for the 16gb model, it's just a lower top end mini phone. The 6 and 6s family are in the luxury range.

I guess you missed that part, even with less than 2% of the market share the hunger for an Apple product is increasing in the metros, and is growing rapidly. This is just a wise business decision.

Though I agree with you on the other front.

At 525.00 for a low end se with 16gb I doubt it will ever get above the percentage here in mexico which is 6%. Apple does not in any way have anything to compete in the lower to mid even price range.
 
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WAIT UNTIL Herr Trumpf gets elected.....all companies like Apple that manufacture in China, India will CRASH.......
Including Trump's own companies!
[doublepost=1463592023][/doublepost]Go Tim! Tapping the largest (democratic?) middle-class volume, in the world, and then those rich ones. Best place for Apple to expand.

The Chinese have only the lowest manual labor component of Apple's production line, i.e., USA still is the largest manufacturer in the world. Even Boeing may shift to Chine, only its commercial airplane production. When they shift their war plane production to Chine, they are officially a Chinese company.
 
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[doublepost=1463592023][/doublepost]Go Tim! Tapping the largest (democratic?) middle-class volume, in the world, and then those rich ones. Best place for Apple to expand.

The Chinese have only the lowest manual labor component of Apple's production line, i.e., USA still is the largest manufacturer in the world. Even Boeing may shift to Chine, only its commercial airplane production. When they shift their war plane production to Chine, they are officially a Chinese company.

Middle class by what standards? Lower middle is 298.374 us a month and upper middle is 1118.00 a month where an se starts out at 525.00. Don't confuse this with us middle class between 42000 and 125000 a year.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-...ses-in-India-along-with-the-poor-and-affluent

I know in the western media they touted india as having a huge middle class but that was flawed. A lot more identify as middle class than actually are.

http://scroll.in/article/740011/eve...re-middle-class-and-almost-no-one-actually-is

It's kind of like middle class here in mexico. Actual Middle class is a relatively small percentage, makes a lot less than the middle class than their us counterparts and apple products cost a lot more. Most middle class here cannot afford iphones. Especially when entry level 4" is 525.00.

US middle class starts at 42000 so a good part of us lower class makes more than middle class in our "developing" countries. I don't see our middle class as helping apple out much. In fact someone ther e making 8.00 an hour 16640. a year and beats middle class probably in both "developing" countries. I don't know about india but some things are cheaper here in mexico than the us and some more expensive so not a huge different. I do know apple products are more expensive there.

I know it is not about mexico but mexico and india at this point are very similar in differences between the very poor and very rich.

Middle-income households – those with an income that is two-thirds to double the U.S. median household income – had incomes ranging from about $42,000 to $125,000 in 2014. Lower-income households had incomes less than $42,000 and upper-income households had incomes greater than $125,000 (all figures computed for three-person households, adjusted for the cost of living in a metropolitan area, and expressed in 2013-14 dollars).
 
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