Tim Cook Touts Apple's Contribution to Chinese Economy at State-Run Web Summit

[joueboy]

China is waiting for Apple to fail and then they’ll be the first in line to bid for the company. They already bought big American tech companies like IBM and Motorola. They start eyeing car companies and eventually start production once they acquired one. Their government is backing all these purchases and that’s how they can afford all of this. Cook knows how to play the game and he knows where to go once this happens.

 

[justperry]

China is waiting for Apple to fail and then they’ll be the first in line to bid for the company. They already bought big American tech companies like IBM and Motorola. They start eyeing car companies and eventually start production once they acquired one. Their government is backing all these purchases and that’s how they can afford all of this. Cook knows how to play the game and he knows where to go once this happens.

You're kidding right.... right.

 

[iReality85]

Make China Great Again!

Doesn’t have the same ring, though...

 

[supercoolmanchu]

The right wingnuts have been trying to destroy the word “liberal” for quite some time. You’re sandwiching it between two negative words, so I assume this is your intent too. So enlighten us, which definition of liberal is so disgusting to you (quoting the dictionary here):
1. a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties;
2. marked by generosity
3. broadminded, counter to authoritarianism
4. developing general intellectual capacities such as reason and judgment
5. willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas

Am I missing a current definition that’s so horrific, or are you just trying to destroy like a perfectly good word standing for good things via proximity to bad things?

Easy there... team Democrat destroyed the term liberal all on their own.

The collectivism routinely called liberalism, is pretty much the polar opposite of individual freedom.

The people that routinely describe themselves as liberal, have zero what it even means, and worse blatantly engage in a securlar collectivist theology whose tenants have more to do with Catholicism.

If you want real liberals these days, they’re almost exclusively restricted to Libertarians, who literally had to awkwardly rebrand because of socialist astroturfing of ‘liberal’.

Now we have partisans on both sides trashing the meaning and spirit of liberalism, with nowhere any real liberalism to be found. Some people even proudly call this ‘progress’, which is another word whose definition escapes them.

 

[dogslobber]

Comrade Tim

This a thousand times.

 

[MH01]

Y

Go ahead and be a foreign social justice warrior running a huge company and insult a major trading partner and manufacturing base. I’m sure the employees you’d have to lay off as a result would be comforted by it.

Or if you feel so strongly about it, go become CEO of Apple and show everyone how it’s done.

You know what , I would do exactly as Tim in China , except I would not BS in the west how much i care about social issues ....id just run the company and focus on the products ! And quality !

You missed the point completely .... sorry .

 

[25ghosts]

No, Craig’s job is to focus on the quality of the software. This sort of thing IS what the CEO is supposed to do. He is the human interface between the company and the outside world, be it the shareholders, government officials, other corporations. He has to position Apple as strategically as possible to be able to provide the growth and value that is demanded these days.

In a way I agree with you and what you’re seeing is quality sacrificed under the pressure for constant signs of growth. But that is demanded by Wall Street, it’s not any CEO’s per se. I have only come to a gradual understanding of that and have now accepted Tim’s push into China despite finding it unpalatable for so many reasons. But if he were to refuse to do it, he would be replaced with someone else who would do it.

I personally don’t think it’s healthy the way companies are only valued for growth these days. Someone close to me says he feels constantly the pressure to meet metrics that value growth of any kind over consistent quality output. It does not matter if that consistent quality sustains even insane amounts of profits. If it does not cause them to grow the way Wall Street demands, then the corporate officers are penalized. In other words, publicly held companies can no longer just “be”. It’s no longer enough to provide services for Peoria and turn a nice profit at it year after year.

Firstly your company will be bought by a larger company, and if your employees survive that sale intact, they will eventually be folded into a global multinational company and the executives who once only faced the pressure to provide services for Peoria will now have to face providing them for Switzerland and Vietnam among many other markets to be added year after year. lol, eventually these global companies are going to run out of customers on earth and Wall Street will demand we find alien life forms to sell stuff to.

Outside World will come running when your products are superior. They will run away when they're not.

While Cook is out there dancing - his users are cursing over the his declining software.

Federighi is an employee of the CEO. If CEO cannot judge whether his employees are producing bad quality he should step down. Ultimately, it IS his software !
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Exactly.

Tim willingly suspends his principles for Chinese money and production efficiency.

If Tim was really against Chinese censorship, he’d suspend business and ties with the regime and manufacture devices in other countries, including the United States.

I’m disappointed to see this hypocritical behavior by him, but not surprised.

You're talking about a man who believes he makes this world a better place with the iPhone.
The number one device teaching people to become anti-social by making them communicate with others via a 6 inch display... Nothing against iPhone. I like them. But to fool himself into thinking that he is making the world better is downright sad and perhaps even delusional. Especially considering the salary those building the iPhone are getting.

 

[Gasu E.]

Even US?

It actually makes sense. A lot of English-language apps you use are developed outside the USA. But nearly every Chinese app is developed in China.

 

[alex2792]

Outside World will come running when your products are superior. They will run away when they're not.

While Cook is out there dancing - his users are cursing over the his declining software.

Federighi is an employee of the CEO. If CEO cannot judge whether his employees are producing bad quality he should step down. Ultimately, it IS his software !
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You're talking about a man who believes he makes this world a better place with the iPhone.
The number one device teaching people to become anti-social by making them communicate with others via a 6 inch display... Nothing against iPhone. I like them. But to fool himself into thinking that he is making the world better is downright sad and perhaps even delusional

There are no 6in iPhones, current models range from 4in (SE) to 5.8in (X).

 

[25ghosts]

There are no 6in iPhones, current models range from 4in (SE) to 5.8in (X).

true... but then again it was a figure of speech !

 

[Gasu E.]

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And the left wing nuts have been trying to destroy “conservative” too. Just thought I’d mention it.

Interesting, as that's not my perception. I usual hear right-wingers described disparagingly as "right-wingers, right-wing nuts, fascists", etc. Whenever I hear left-wingers use the word "conservative", it's usually more reserved, applied to someone such as John McCain. Usually what I hear on the left is stuff like: "the right wing has abandoned conservatism". On the other hand, I do hear people on the right use the word "liberal" as an insult.

 

[pika2000]

Apple keynotes should be conducted wearing something like that, not looking like they’re on a weekend outing.

Different culture, different societal norms. The Apple keynotes are done in California, and the more casual look are actually expected.
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China is waiting for Apple to fail and then they’ll be the first in line to bid for the company. They already bought big American tech companies like IBM and Motorola. They start eyeing car companies and eventually start production once they acquired one. Their government is backing all these purchases and that’s how they can afford all of this. Cook knows how to play the game and he knows where to go once this happens.

Lenovo bought IBM's PC business not because China is taking over, but IBM's smart business strategy to reinvent themselves. It was IBM's decision to sell their PC business.
Lenovo (again) bought Motorola simply because Google ditched the "used gum." Before that, Motorola wasn't doing too well anyway due to poor management. Don't blame the consumers (China) for buying goods that are on sale.

And in addition to China, you should look at India. Who are the current CEOs of Google and Microsoft? Yeah.

 

[RogerWilco]

Different culture, different societal norms. The Apple keynotes are done in California, and the more casual look are actually expected.

A straw hat and cane would have made the outfit complete -- as he soft-shoed his routine of jive and blather. Cook has become a parody of himself, the ultimate hypocrite.

 

[pika2000]

Not entirely. Samsung for example has manufacturing in Korea, Vietnam, India and even plans to invest in Pakistan & Bangladesh in future. Carried with the fact that Apple commissions everything from manufacturing, fabrication, assembling, packaging etc that too, all of them being Chinese only, while Samsung does it out themselves so, Samsung can move to any country instantly and if Apple is ousted by the Chinese Govt. then Apple is doomed even if they move to India, they never developed an alternative of these Chinese only contractors or will have the experience to maintain their own, all of them, at once.

If Apple was out of business, Samsung would worry as well, as Apple is one of their largest customers. Heck, there are dozens of other companies that will be out of business as well as they rely on orders from Apple.

And China is not going to be so dumb to just oust Apple. If they ousted Apple, many components suppliers and even Foxconn factories will be in deep trouble, and imagine the headache the Chinese govt had to deal with economically.

 

[thadoggfather]

Tim is a Chinese pandering hack

What else is new

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AI taking over the world is a very real concern.

Worrying about humans being robots more so?

LOL. it's called zombies and they're part of the so called resistance. Upset from the moment they wake up til when they go to bed every day. Of their lives. Because of what talking heads tell them to be angry about.

 

[pika2000]

A straw hat and cane would have made the outfit complete -- as he soft-shoed his routine of jive and blather. Cook has become a parody of himself, the ultimate hypocrite.

I don't see adjusting your wardrobe to the local audience you are presenting to is hypocritical.

 

[MH01]

I don't see adjusting your wardrobe to the local audience you are presenting to is hypocritical.

You must really trust and believe your in your politicians.....when they say one thing and do the opposite .... you might want to look up what hypocritical means , just to make sure we are discussing the Same thing. If you adjust your wardrobe too much - it's in fact hypocrisy

 

[Apple Knowledge Navigator]

"Much has been said of the potential downsides of AI, but I don't worry about machines thinking like humans. I worry about people thinking like machines,"

Well he should know, given he’s an android. You can tick off pretty much every phrase and line during his speeches; so proud, incredible, humanity, laser-focused etc...

 

[BruceEBonus]

Gawd bless you Tim. One an' all!

 

[Kabeyun]

And the left wing nuts have been trying to destroy “conservative” too. Just thought I’d mention it.

Nope. The right slings the word “liberal” as though it were intrinsically foul. Just reread the OP or just listen to Limbaugh or Hannity (if you can) for 30 seconds to see what I mean. The left uses conservative to describe, not insult, conservatives. “Nut job,” “wingnut,” and other terms are sometimes used because the left has not succeeded in contaminating the term “conservative” the way the right has contaminated the term “liberal.” To escalate the discourse, they may use “fascist” with varying decrees of accuracy.

 

[mariusignorello]

Nope. The right slings the word “liberal” as though it were intrinsically foul. Just reread the OP or just listen to Limbaugh or Hannity (if you can) for 30 seconds to see what I mean. The left uses conservative to describe, not insult, conservatives. “Nut job,” “wingnut,” and other terms are sometimes used because the left has not succeeded in contaminating the term “conservative” the way the right has contaminated the term “liberal.” To escalate the discourse, they may use “fascist” with varying decrees of accuracy.

Oh don’t pull that crap. The left uses “conservative” interchangeable with a couple of other nastier words. This is definitely not a one sided issue.

 

[Lesser Evets]

He has moral certitude when it is at the expense of American voters. In other countries, the money speaks louder than human rights. Tim Cook is a modern liberal.

 

[Plutonius]

Makes you wonder who the real Tim Cook is ?

 

[JosephAW]

Go ahead and be a foreign social justice warrior running a huge company and insult a major trading partner and manufacturing base. I’m sure the employees you’d have to lay off as a result would be comforted by it.

Or if you feel so strongly about it, go become CEO of Apple and show everyone how it’s done.

Your right. See how businesses are persecuted in America if they hold firmly to their beliefs. Cook just caves because it's about money and not about holding firm to his values. I understand.
Addendum: Apple would not be the success they are today if they held fast to their core values. It would nearly be impossible to produce the volume of products in any other country at the cost they sell them at now.

 

[RogerWilco]

It would nearly be impossible to produce the volume of products in any other country at the cost they sell them at now.

Cost? You mean the gross margins they sell at now. Yes Cook serves the AAPL shareholders well, then he turns around and pisses on his U.S. customers with flip remarks about their lack of work ethic.