Tim Cook Touts Apple's Contribution to Chinese Economy at State-Run Web Summit

[ChrisA]

Even US?

Yes, I would imagine more developers in China then the US. Look at the populations sizes:

• US 320 million
• China 1380 million

China is roughly four times the size of the US. And then I did some looking yesterday about the most popular majors in US universities. The number one, two and three are Bussnes, Libral Arts and Nursing. The number of students in engineering are in the signal digit percents. A tiny fraction of the total.

The three most populate degrees in China are 1. Information Technology, 2. Electrical engineering and 3. English.

It would seem that not only are there 4x as many people in China v. the US, there are more of them studying technical subjects.

And the other thing about the app store. It pays just about slave wages. Only a very few people get lucky. Must make very little. But in China $9K per year is good money so not only are there more people with generally better technical education but there is better motivation too.

 

[Kabeyun]

Oh don’t pull that crap. The left uses “conservative” interchangeable with a couple of other nastier words. This is definitely not a one sided issue.

Nope. From the Experience Project:

It's called "branding,” something the right has been much better at since William F. Buckley assassinated he word “liberal” 50 years ago, and the right has always been more effective at staying on homogenous message. Imagine, for example, what would happen if liberals were to trot out the word "conservative" every time something negative is in the news. For example, whenever there's a shooting, a news commentator would just happen to mention that conservatives want to loosen restrictions on gun ownership. Or whenever multiple food poisoning cases occur because of bacterial contamination at a meat packing plant, a commentator would just happen to mention that conservatives want to cut back on federal inspections of meat packing plants. Or whenever an aircraft goes down because of a safety/maintenance issue, the commentator would point out that conservatives want the government to be less involved in safety/maintenance and allow the airlines to do their own checking. With a steady stream such branding, eventually people begin to associate "liberal" with negative things. Many liberals often operate with a self-imposed handicap: the need to be fair and open-minded; to be, in a word, "liberal.”

 

[fairuz]

If it were Steve Jobs, maybe he'd say they contributed to the Chinese economy by letting Huawei steal their designs, haha.

 

[M2M]

Exactly.

Tim willingly suspends his principles for Chinese money and production efficiency.

If Tim was really against Chinese censorship, he’d suspend business and ties with the regime and manufacture devices in other countries, including the United States.

I’m disappointed to see this hypocritical behavior by him, but not surprised.

Would be far easier to give (Chinese) people choices and make country changes of the AppStore an easy switch. Then you can for ex. Block all unwanted items in country store A and provide it in country store B.

Currently switching AppStore country’s is near to impossible. Country laws are not apples fault but locking and limiting choices is Apples fault truly !

Plus Tim: Fix your software QA department!
Thanks

 

[fairuz]

And then I did some looking yesterday about the most popular majors in US universities. The number one, two and three are Bussnes, Libral Arts and Nursing. The number of students in engineering are in the signal digit percents. A tiny fraction of the total.

The three most populate degrees in China are 1. Information Technology, 2. Electrical engineering and 3. English.

It's annoying. I don't get why everyone here wants to study liberal arts. And until recently, high schools all focused on non-technical subjects.
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Exactly.

Tim willingly suspends his principles for Chinese money and production efficiency.

If Tim was really against Chinese censorship, he’d suspend business and ties with the regime and manufacture devices in other countries, including the United States.

I’m disappointed to see this hypocritical behavior by him, but not surprised.

He pretends to be brave when it's convenient. Like going to talk about gay rights in San Francisco, CA but not in China or the Arab countries. Can't blame him for not wanting to tick off the other countries, but it's so lame that he uses fake political activism as a marketing tool.

 

[Lerxt]

Tim is a hypocritical liberal phoney.
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Spare us the backward US style politics.

 

[drumcat]

Mock him all you want. Just remember, the US is basically heading down the tyrannical path as well. Consider this just good practice.

 

[MH01]

To be CEO of a multinational corporation, let alone the world’s most valuable one, is also to be a politician, not just a business expert. You develop business, i.e. profit, around the world as effectively as possible. Yes, exactly; he’s choosing his words carefully. Wise politicians speak delicately when they’re trying to get their way, especially in potentially hostile territory. Wise politicians don’t stamp their feet, pout about unfairness, and take a dump in the lap of countries where they’re trying to foster business, especially countries as state-controlled at China. I’m sure it looks different from the comfort of a slacktivist’s living room couch, but that’s why he’s him and we’re us.

I have no issues at all with the way CEOs approach china .... any country to be honest , they are after one thing , profits , hence they get the big bucks. When you run a company like Apple, global, there is no place for personal agendas, or very quickly people will pull you up on your double standards, especially when your agendas are social issues and you deal with countries that have the worst records and kiss thier *****.

My issue is Tim the SJW CEO in the west and perfect capitalist CEO choosing his words carefully in China to appease his audience ... so the point here.... Tim should just be a CEO focusing on profits and leaving the SJW Crap out of the agenda, cause it's not a part-time agenda based on profits / audience .... hence the hypocrisy.

The hypocrisy is the SJW, not him being CEO , we get the politician approach , but guess what , politicians are the biggest hypocrites .. see my point ?
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The right wingnuts have been trying to destroy the word “liberal” for quite some time. You’re sandwiching it between two negative words, so I assume this is your intent too. So enlighten us, which definition of liberal is so disgusting to you (quoting the dictionary here):
1. a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties;
2. marked by generosity
3. broadminded, counter to authoritarianism
4. developing general intellectual capacities such as reason and judgment
5. willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas

Am I missing a current definition that’s so horrific, or are you just trying to destroy like a perfectly good word standing for good things via proximity to bad things?

The left wingnuts are just as pathetic . My friend, who just had a baby, a mother, had to fill In an form where she was not "mother" of the child , but parent one.... care to explain that one ? It's pathetic .... she just crossed out patent one and put mother , she had not time for politicial correctness BS after a 27hour labour, she damn well knew she was the mother !

 

[Applebot1]

Like it or not China is an important market. I’m not Cook’s biggest fan either but Apple has changed with a global presence.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Exactly.

Tim willingly suspends his principles for Chinese money and production efficiency.

If Tim was really against Chinese censorship, he’d suspend business and ties with the regime and manufacture devices in other countries, including the United States.

I’m disappointed to see this hypocritical behavior by him, but not surprised.

A lot of trash talking going on about Cook.
Wait I can’t believe I’m defending him but it’s warranted here.

Ok so when manufacturing and assembly halts production on iPhones, iPads, MacBooks from CPU’s to RAM and motherboard assembly and a pause in supply chain occurs having to rerouteto anothe country where political policies have to be adhered to as well as per unit or bulk taxing for doing business there - some conglomerates need to build schools and pay into local community education - affects both shipments, revenue and thus profits, waning on customers for repairs and new products and other warranty claims .... (deep breath here) ...

I just wonder how do you think you an investor or end user trying and waiting to purchase or claim warranty repair on products would benefit without any forethought to this?!

Hell you don’t even have a country that can compete with an abundant labour force (think heavily reliant on textile industry countries). Not one suggestion. New or retro grade existing plants, trade routes, etc - just how long would you suggest a transition like this would take, hmm? During which if the price of their products jumps 50% are you immediately willing to pay that premium right now for uttering your debate without thinking this deeper? I know I wouldn’t have that kind of money or madnesses for that kind of increase. All hypothetical but there will be delays and an increase and affect customer satisfaction significantly.

 

[Kabeyun]

The left wingnuts are just as pathetic . My friend, who just had a baby, a mother, had to fill In an form where she was not "mother" of the child , but parent one.... care to explain that one ? It's pathetic .... she just crossed out patent one and put mother , she had not time for politicial correctness BS after a 27hour labour, she damn well knew she was the mother !

Completely agree that the far left is ugly too (the left and right converge at censorship). Wokeness, safe spaces, and especially microagression get me queasy. I just heard that at least one university allows an applicant to actually check off any race he/she wants. But to my point what I haven’t seen is the left trying to mutate a neutral ideology term (eg. “conservative”) into a dirty word the way the right has attacked the very term “liberal” since Buckley started the campaign half a century ago.

 

[5105973]

Outside World will come running when your products are superior. They will run away when they're not.

While Cook is out there dancing - his users are cursing over the his declining software.

Federighi is an employee of the CEO. If CEO cannot judge whether his employees are producing bad quality he should step down. Ultimately, it IS his software !

I don’t disagree. But Tim Cook is doing something. Eddy Cue was officially charged with oversight of the woefully neglected Siri until a few months ago. More such maneuvers may be forthcoming. And yes, change and fixes are definitely needed.

However, I don’t think the wholesale firing of top executives who helped build Apple up to what it is now is going to happen anytime soon. I think Tim Cook would at least give everyone time to settle in at the new campus and see how they perform and evaluate them then. I’ve been a part of the establishment of a new HQ first hand with my own employers and as a spouse watched wholesale movement of employees to new facilities and it does affect output and performance and the ability to meet deadlines no matter how meticulously planned and coordinated such moves are.

 

[Kaibelf]

Cost? You mean the gross margins they sell at now. Yes Cook serves the AAPL shareholders well, then he turns around and pisses on his U.S. customers with flip remarks about their lack of work ethic.

That’s because shareholders take the risk buying the stock and SHOULD be rewarded for it when it works out for them. And Apple is not a nonprofit so why are you complaining about basic capitalism?

Apple used to manufacture everything here. They nearly went bankrupt as a result. Americans demand more money and are less efficient and complain more about these jobs and as a mature economy younger people don’t say “you know what? I want to stand on my feet all day repeating the same small motion as a career.” That’s not pissing the on US, it’s a basic fact. Want to complain? Talk to the non American employees at Mar a lago.

 

[Daud]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-04/cook-kisses-the-ring

 

[RogerWilco]

That’s because shareholders take the risk buying the stock and SHOULD be rewarded for it when it works out for them. And Apple is not a nonprofit so why are you complaining about basic capitalism?

Apple used to manufacture everything here. They nearly went bankrupt as a result. Americans demand more money and are less efficient and complain more about these jobs and as a mature economy younger people don’t say “you know what? I want to stand on my feet all day repeating the same small motion as a career.” That’s not pissing the on US, it’s a basic fact. Want to complain? Talk to the non American employees at Mar a lago.

I founded a business in 1987 and have operated it for thirty years, so please spare me the ECON 101 lecture. Apple could do many things differently including on-shoring some of its manufacturing. Mr. Cook not only expanded its operations in China, he specifically denigrated the work ethic here in the USA as a broad excuse for what was essentially a P&L decision.

As for your "basic fact" about "younger people", how many have you hired? Young people here in the USA are no different that the kids in China when it comes to wanting a job and earning money.

 

[oldhifi]

Pay your taxe$$ Timmy

 

[Beachguy]

You'd think with all his money, he could afford someone who could tell him not to dress in such a manner that he looks like a slob. Straighten that jacket, Cook!!!

 

[Mike MA]

And the other thing about the app store. It pays just about slave wages. Only a very few people get lucky. Must make very little. But in China $9K per year is good money so not only are there more people with generally better technical education but there is better motivation too.

There are definitely more and more trash apps arriving from China lately. Tim should have an eye on that also.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Late news ...

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s recent trip to China may not have gone as planned, the PM is about to leave the country with at least one highlight. On Wednesday afternoon, the Prime Minister’s official Twitter account shared a picture from the Fortune Global Forum, currently underway in Guangzhou, China. In the photograph, we can see the PM and Apple CEO Tim Cook sharing a light-hearted moment, with the iPhone X clearly pictured in Cook’s hand.

Read more at MobileSyrup.com: Justin Trudeau gets a personal iPhone X demo from Apple CEO Tim Cook