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What's with all the jobs love? He built apple on stolen ideas from xerox ;)

Ppl also like gates because he's just a damn good, very charitable person. He does lots of good.

Wow, a decade or two ago, I knew no one that would've said that. Cheers to his charity work, and apparent public face lift.
 
Umm no Mr. Jobs is not one of the 20 most influential people or Americans of all time. I wouldn't even put him in the top 100 then nor would I add Linus, RMS, or Gates.
 
If you think about it I dont think he was very "influential" at all as I cant think of any other CEOs that started doing what he did. 99% of CEOs still value cost over quality and still think focus groups, not designers are right. Apple's products were influential but Steve Jobs as a person is unique among the business school CEOs and nobody seemed influenced by him, they all probably thought he was crazy spending so much money on a metal computer when he could have used plastic.
 
This is going to sound really picky (and it is, I know) but that Time cover says "People" and according to the article on Mac Rumors the list is of "Americans".

Perhaps it makes it clearer inside the publication? I know that if a magazine here in the UK did that it would be burned in the streets internationally for only including us Brits (slight exaggeration, but you get my point).

I'm not saying a list of Americans only isn't right - Time is a US publication after all - however I think it should make it clear on the cover.

If you reread the article you'll see it talks about two lists—the '20 most influential Americans of all time', and the '100 most influential people of all time'.

Umm no Mr. Jobs is not one of the 20 most influential people or Americans of all time. I wouldn't even put him in the top 100 then nor would I add Linus, RMS, or Gates.

And yet here we all are, spending our hours using the technology they brought to the world, and debating their influence.
 
Really? Of ALL time? You will put Beyonce before Madonna, Whitney or Mariah Carey? :eek:

Edit: But of ALL people, you would want Beyonce's name on the list before Michael Jackson? He definitely had a fair shot at the Top 20 list.

Celine Dion.
 
Unbelievable. Clearly a bone thrown to today's kids.

Jobs belongs in an influential list for sure, but not within the top 20 of all time.

Might as well also put Ron Popeil in the top 20 list (at least he actually invented some of the stuff he sold).

Waiting for you to show up. Glad to see you don't disappoint. :)
 
Wow, a decade or two ago, I knew no one that would've said that. Cheers to his charity work, and apparent public face lift.

Keeping in mind that a lot of the money he's giving away now was won by illegal means. Also keeping in mind that the Gates Foundation, for the good it does, is also run a lot like Microsoft was in the day. Not that Bill Gates wasn't and isn't influential. Influence isn't necessarily a qualitative thing. We also don't know that Gates is not on the 100 list.
 
Wow, a decade or two ago, I knew no one that would've said that. Cheers to his charity work, and apparent public face lift.

So, donating billions and billions and billions to medical research, food banks, missions, releife and education efforts, starting the bill and melinda gates fondation, and pledgling to give 95percent of your wealth to charity by the time you die?

Yes, I'm sure he's doing all of that to help a public image
 
If you reread the article you'll see it talks about two lists—the '20 most influential Americans of all time', and the '100 most influential people of all time'.



And yet here we all are, spending our hours using the technology they brought to the world, and debating their influence.

All written in a language they didn't create, nor was the computer novel during their time.

Ritche and Von Neumann are more influential computer guy's.
 
Just look at some of Time's man/person of the year covers and you'll know a list from them doesn't mean squat. Plus these all time lists are silly because it's impossible to get agreement from everyone on who deserves to be on the list and who doesn't. Just like when they do these greatest movies or albums or musicians of all time lists.
 
I agree, but if he is on the list..how is Gates not?

well in my opinion he was a great businessman but hardly influential. Possibly what excell and word has done for business could get him on there but im not sure how much input he had. If anyone knows please reply. We all know the Jobs had huge amount of input on all products while he was in charge.
 
If you reread the article you'll see it talks about two lists—the '20 most influential Americans of all time', and the '100 most influential people of all time'.

Good catch. The list of 20 Americans is drawn from 100 worldwide. I guess the debate that could be started now is whether Americans should occupy one-fifth of the slots.
 
If you think about it I dont think he was very "influential" at all as I cant think of any other CEOs that started doing what he did. 99% of CEOs still value cost over quality and still think focus groups, not designers are right. Apple's products were influential but Steve Jobs as a person is unique among the business school CEOs and nobody seemed influenced by him, they all probably thought he was crazy spending so much money on a metal computer when he could have used plastic.
Ah but what about all the iSheep and fanboys who drink the Apple kool-aid? Surely Steve was influential there, no? :D
 
Umm no Mr. Jobs is not one of the 20 most influential people or Americans of all time. I wouldn't even put him in the top 100 then nor would I add Linus, RMS, or Gates.

Well, the personal computer has been a major technological achievement (perhaps as influential to society as the invention of the printing press) ... you have to give someone the recognition for that ... one could argue who best deserves that recognition ... Gordon Moore for the microprocessor ... Bill Gates for the Operating System ... or Steve Jobs and Wozniak for the personal computer ... pick your poison :)
 
More like padding pockets of the Pharmaceutical companies the Gates Foundation is in bed with.

Do your research... here is one short article. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110919/02495316002/is-gates-foundation-really-looking-new-ways-to-tackle-big-health-problems-when-its-hiring-pharma-execs.shtml

:eek: You call that research?

I don't disagree that they have had mixed results and took questionable steps to get there, but there have been dozens of organizations over the decades that have followed philanthropy "by the book" also with mixed results. Furthermore, several of the Foundation's programs have made significant positive impact. Millennium scholarships and strides toward a Malaria vaccine.
 
Plus these all time lists are silly because it's impossible to get agreement from everyone on who deserves to be on the list and who doesn't. Just like when they do these greatest movies or albums or musicians of all time lists.

You're right… it's all a bit silly, but hey, it gives us something to argue about.

To truly measure someone's influence on the world, you would need to see how different the world is over time if that person had never existed. Unless we develop the means to explore a parallel Universe where Steve didn't exist, that's never going to happen.
 
What's with all the jobs love? He built apple on stolen ideas from xerox ;)

Ppl also like gates because he's just a damn good, very charitable person. He does lots of good.

I like Apple, Steve Jobs and all their products. but surely all this everyone stole from Apple come from fanboys that wernt alive in the 80's. Go do some research ppl before slagging off the other companies. Apple IS big brother now.
 
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