TiVo's Planned Apple TV App 'In Limbo'

[R3k]

Ahh TiVo, the Blackberry of TV providers.
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I'm not sure how many Cable providers use TiVo as their DVR UI, but I know the two in my area do. I would think there are many other smaller operators using it. It's not a big deal anymore, but it seems they have found ways to remain somewhat relevant in the market. I think TiVo is a great UI and is really a well thought out system.

juding by the website, they do seem to be focusing on the corporate market> licensing of their platform and solutions.

I can imagine their consumer operation going away at some point.

 

[tooloud10]

I digress:: https://tivoidp.tivo.com/tivoCommun...Recorded-or-Was-Deleted-Early-Troubleshooting

"Keep until" & "Keep at most" says its restricted.. (to me)

they do have 28 days, but that is still not "for as long as I want"

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at, but I've kept stuff on my TiVo and DirecTV DVRs for years.

When you deal with services, nothing is kept for as long as you want, they all expire at some point... Apple has a good history of keeping purchases but only because of the model they run.. and business negotiations.

The only way around is is keep a physical copy.. never a digital one, particularly when someone else owns it. As we know "digital is torture" unless you have it yourself, including through other "less legal avenues"

I'm not talking about hoarding recordings for the rest of my life, I'm contrasting the ability to keep a TV series on my DVR for 12-24 months versus how programming randomly disappears on the streaming services. Even the "cloud DVR" functions of the streaming TV services only keeps programming for a few months at a time.

 

[Ted13]

Not sure why TiVo gets the level of hate that it does. I never use the DVR, but I have seven boxes...why would I be better off paying Verizon $500/yr, year in, year out...?

You certainly wouldn't - paying for any kind of box from your cable TV company is pure waste. The problem with TiVo (for those of us who have used it for a long time): it keeps getting worse. The only options available are sticking with TiVo until it goes down the tubes, or installing an antenna and using EyeTV on your Mac, until EyeTV goes down the tubes or cutting the cord altogether and just sticking to your choices of Netflix/Amazon Prime/HBO/Showtime/Disney +/Apple TV+/Hulu etc. etc. - via purely Internet apps on your Apple TV.

 

[aristobrat]

juding by the website, they do seem to be focusing on the corporate market> licensing of their platform and solutions.

I can imagine their consumer operation going away at some point.

Maybe... a running joke on the TiVo Community forum is that TiVo will keep retail around to beta-test their software on before making it available to the smaller cable companies that use TiVo as their premier DVR offering. 😂

 

[stevet]

If you are referring to the goofy ads, I called them right away and asked them to cut it out. They did.

I was not referring to ads, take a look at your TiVo Guide sometime and you will see there TiVo+ channel littered throughout the entire guide showing the 'free shows' they are offering.

 

[HouseofG]

I was not referring to ads, take a look at your TiVo Guide sometime and you will see there TiVo+ channel littered throughout the entire guide showing the 'free shows' they are offering.

Oh yeah. That crap. Ok.

 

[bferrell]

Yea, I love Tivo, but I feel like they're sliding into the Abyss... feeding me ads when I've shown that one of their big features is that I get to skip the ads. They broke suggestions and thumbs-up for me awhile back also.

And I have as many of their hardware devices as they'll let me have (12) and still have TVs I'd like to connect to, so this news really cramps my style. I'd jump ship if there was a great alternative. I'm playing with HDHomeRun and Plex for OTA, but some of my family still love cable... but boy do I *hate* cable box software. I guess I'll just wait for them to shoot the other foot.
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For anyone using an Apple TV and wanting cable tv solution, you should really be using Channels. If you've got a computer in the house, you can have DVR capabilities. An antenna gets you all the locals. If you've got a cable subscription, you can use TV Anywhere to get most every channel you get. If SiliconDust would ever ship the Prime 6, you'd have a cable card solution.

It's the slickest, easiest tv solution I've ever used. I used to love Tivo, and my parents still use it, but Channels is far superior and works on pretty much any device.

Maybe, but I have a funny (for others) problem. I have Spectrum Cable on RF, but fiber internet from Cincinnati Bell. Spectrum's app (and I assume Channels, but will have to check it out) refuse to work because I'm not on the Specturm IP address range. Dumb, but I kind of get it. What would be smarter is only allow one IP address to get the content, regardless of where in the world it is. I'm paying the subscription fee, why do they care if I'm on my phone, or at my friend's house, or have a different internet provider? Guess it's just too hard for them to care.

 

[Sunfsh2002]

I have two Tivo Roamios, one Apple TV box, one Roku Ultra, and two Amazon Firesticks. Why the heck can't Tivo enter the 21st century and add apps for each device? It seems to me that Tivo would sell MORE boxes with more apps. I want ONE DVR that would allow me to receive my OTA signals AND also allow me to connect to other boxes. That would sure make life much more simple!
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Yea, I love Tivo, but I feel like they're sliding into the Abyss... feeding me ads when I've shown that one of their big features is that I get to skip the ads. They broke suggestions and thumbs-up for me awhile back also.

And I have as many of their hardware devices as they'll let me have (12) and still have TVs I'd like to connect to, so this news really cramps my style. I'd jump ship if there was a great alternative. I'm playing with HDHomeRun and Plex for OTA, but some of my family still love cable... but boy do I *hate* cable box software. I guess I'll just wait for them to shoot the other foot.
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Maybe, but I have a funny (for others) problem. I have Spectrum Cable on RF, but fiber internet from Cincinnati Bell. Spectrum's app (and I assume Channels, but will have to check it out) refuse to work because I'm not on the Specturm IP address range. Dumb, but I kind of get it. What would be smarter is only allow one IP address to get the content, regardless of where in the world it is. I'm paying the subscription fee, why do they care if I'm on my phone, or at my friend's house, or have a different internet provider? Guess it's just too hard for them to care.

"What would be smarter is only allow one IP address to get the content, regardless of where in the world it is." Do you mean, like we all have One Cell Phone Number, and regardless of where WE are, we can still get our phone calls? Brilliant Idea!! Why haven't the internet providers done this yet? They can then sell their services to Anyone, Anywhere!

 

[MisterSavage]

I have two Tivo Roamios, one Apple TV box, one Roku Ultra, and two Amazon Firesticks. Why the heck can't Tivo enter the 21st century and add apps for each device? It seems to me that Tivo would sell MORE boxes with more apps. I want ONE DVR that would allow me to receive my OTA signals AND also allow me to connect to other boxes. That would sure make life much more simple!

I still can't believe they don't have Disney+ yet. 😐

 

[convergent]

Tivo still exists? I'm not trying to troll or be a smart ass with this post.

I simply thought that with DVRs being as prevalent as they are, whether you rent one from your provider or buy your own.....combined with the ability to record on demand, that it was kind of a dead idea.

They still exists, but got bought by Rovi several years ago and I think lack a vision. They could have really dominated what is going on, but they continue to flounder, making most of their money on patents and their parent business. What they used to be when I had them in my house was THE best TV experience out there.

Is TiVo just a DVR? Never owned one, never understood the appeal to buy one when you can get a DVR for free from your cable company. ...and now, I don't even have cable, so I get the appeal even less. If TiVo has more to offer, then they've done a really terrible job marketing themselves.

Because in their heyday, the cable provided equipment was terrible. Switching channels took like 8-10 seconds. Each room's DVR was separate so no whole house. The Guide was terrible. Tivo was worth it compared to what they provided... and often cheaper over time.

I gave up on Tivo last year, when they start adding advertisements before shows. That was the last straw.

I switched to Channels DVR, which has an Apple TV app (and Roku and Fire TV apps), so now every TV in the house can watch the recordings at full quality (not transcoded). It only transcodes when I watch shows away from home.

For anyone using an Apple TV and wanting cable tv solution, you should really be using Channels. If you've got a computer in the house, you can have DVR capabilities. An antenna gets you all the locals. If you've got a cable subscription, you can use TV Anywhere to get most every channel you get. If SiliconDust would ever ship the Prime 6, you'd have a cable card solution.

It's the slickest, easiest tv solution I've ever used. I used to love Tivo, and my parents still use it, but Channels is far superior and works on pretty much any device.

I agree... anyone longing for a Tivo app on Apple TV seriously needs to look at Channels DVR. Were it not for the dysfunction of the Siri Remote, then it would rival the Tivo experience. But even with that, it is a great way to pull everything together into one guide/DVR experience.

I still don’t understand the hate for the Apple TV remote. The touchpad is intuitive because it functions like using an iPhone or iPad

Because a phone and a TV are not the same thing. You use a TV in the dark. You leave the remote laying around in places like a couch. You want to jump around without swiping and clicking a half dozen times to get to key things. For a TV experience, the Siri remote is not good. A lot of this comes from the live TV viewing experience, but its more than that. The remote itself is one thing, but the Apple TV itself doesn't provide a lot of addressable functions that developers could tap into because they only have a small number of buttons that can be programmed. For example, they should allow a remote to call a specific App and go to a specific function in the app. If they did that, then you could have a "Live TV" button that takes you straight to Live TV from whatever other app you are in. Or a "Guide" button to take you straight to the Guide from wherever you are. Or "page up/page down" which is usually done with channel up/channel down.