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Kman564

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I have been reading the forums for a while and keep seeing people state that Apple needs to innovate and that iOS is boring. I have both an iPhone 5 and a note 2. Both phones have its strengths and weaknesses. To say that apple has not innovative is wrong...here are some of the great innovations put forth over the life of the iPhone.

- notification center
- Facebook integration
- iCloud sinking across all apple products
- maps with navigation integration (not as good as googles but still usable)
- sharing/phone stream
- I message (integration across all devices
- display retina
- address and phone number recognition with email and websites
- air play
- Siri
- passbook ( do not really use this much)
- auto message reply
- camera improvements
- enhanced hardware design (thinner lighter) best looking phone
- enhanced processor

Now android has also seen substantial gains/improvements as well. Most users use the operating systems in a similar manner. The operating system is a tool/ interface to access applications that complete the required tasks. The only real difference I see from the average user standpoint in iOS vs android is that android has a home screen with the ability to have widgets with enhanced sharing capabilities (this can be overcome with certain applications on iOS)

That all said I am happy with my iPhone and I think many people are as we'll. the tech crowd should stop making negative statements and just enjoy the platform. I think many individuals do not even know what the next stage of innovation will be... At this stage the smart phone market is pretty mature.
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El3ctronics

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- notification center
Copied from Android

- Facebook integration
Copied from Android

- iCloud sinking across all apple products
Good feature and iCloud backup is amazing but everything else was copied from Google's cloud services

- maps with navigation integration (not as good as googles but still usable)
A worse version of Google Maps

- sharing/phone stream
Only able to be shared with other iOS/Mac users...not as good as Android's implementation

- I message (integration across all devices
Love iMessage with other iOS users! Better than any form of communication on Android. But the fact that it's iOS/Mac only is a huge thumbs down.

- display retina
Apple was first in this respect but they have already been passed by many Android devices with higher pixel density and better screens

- address and phone number recognition with email and websites
Nice feature but not a game changer

- air play
Worthless to most people

Siri is a novelty feature to most people and isn't widely used after the novelty wears off. Google Now is a far superior implementation of what Siri should/could be.

- passbook ( do not really use this much)
Nice feature...but should utilize NFC like Google Wallet

- auto message reply
Don't know what this is.

- camera improvements
Camera still lacks many features of most high end Android devices. That said, iPhone camera still takes better pictures than any Android phone (IMO).

- enhanced hardware design (thinner lighter) best looking phone
HTC One is better looking

- enhanced processor
Far below the current top end Android devices

Not trying to get into a flame-war here but pointing out that many of your "innovations" are either a direct copy or are still inferior to their Android counterparts.
 
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sentinelsx

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I have been reading the forums for a while and keep seeing people state that Apple needs to innovate and that iOS is boring. I have both an iPhone 5 and a note 2. Both phones have its strengths and weaknesses. To say that apple has not innovative is wrong...here are some of the great innovations put forth over the life of the iPhone.

- notification center
- Facebook integration
- iCloud sinking across all apple products
- maps with navigation integration (not as good as googles but still usable)
- sharing/phone stream
- I message (integration across all devices
- display retina
- address and phone number recognition with email and websites
- air play
- Siri
- passbook ( do not really use this much)
- auto message reply
- camera improvements
- enhanced hardware design (thinner lighter) best looking phone
- enhanced processor

Now android has also seen substantial gains/improvements as well. Most users use the operating systems in a similar manner. The operating system is a tool/ interface to access applications that complete the required tasks. The only real difference I see from the average user standpoint in iOS vs android is that android has a home screen with the ability to have widgets with enhanced sharing capabilities (this can be overcome with certain applications on iOS)

That all said I am happy with my iPhone and I think many people are as we'll. the tech crowd should stop making negative statements and just enjoy the platform. I think many individuals do not even know what the next stage of innovation will be... At this stage the smart phone market is pretty mature.
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A forum designed for alternatives to ios devices should not contain discussion about them and why people prefer them by showing their dislike with ios devices? Nice.

Why don't you stay in the iPhone section if you get upset by others getting upset by the iPhone?
 
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nick_elt

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dude, I use alot of Apple products but it's embarrassing that you think apple came up with all of those.
 
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jrswizzle

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I find it ridiculous that any of the features mentioned are being called "innovations". Very useful features from both sides, but I wouldn't say any could be considered innovations.

Are any of these features brand new ways to do something? Are the altering the way we interact with each other and our devices? Are they disrupting an entire industry?

I would say no.....

As far as which implements these features better - it may be a 50/50 split in my opinion. But really its up to each person's own preferences. If I say I prefer Apple's features to Samsung's that's fine for me, but I know it won't be that way for everyone.

Let's please cut this "us vs. them" bullcrap....use what you like and be ok with it....don't feel like you have to defend iOS's honor - or Android's. They are both doing just fine.

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dude, I use alot of Apple products but it's embarrassing that you think apple came up with all of those.

Aside from the generic ones (enhanced processor, notification center, etc.) they did come up with all of those....these are features, implementations. Each company does notifications differently. Apple came up with their way.

Is it innovation? Of course not. But it is the implementation, not the feature itself that should be judged.

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You don't remember using GMail, google calendar, google contacts etc. before iCloud was "invented?" LOL

iCloud is much more than an email address and contacts.....

I'm not saying they came up with the idea of storing information in the cloud (nor do I believe the OP is) - but the implementation of that cloud storage, what iCloud can do in its entirety is a VERY big plus for Apple IMO - one of my favorite things about iOS over Android.

Innovation? Ehhh, maybe a little, but not much. I think the tight integration has more to do with what makes iCloud so great - and that's simply a philosophy of Apple's not a technological innovation.

I suppose one could say the way Apple made the smartphone was in and of itself the innovation - which would include their philosophy behind integration and efficiency. But that innovation happened long ago and we are simply still reaping the benefits in their newer services.
 
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mib1800

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I think android users mostly don't hate iphone. we just feel ios/iphone inferior. ios is so lagging in features that to us it is like a low end smartphone. and we are just frustrated because of the nonsense said about android.

I think hate applies more to ifans hating android because ifans want to think as a fact that iPhone is superior but then reality hits and they have to face or counter the numerous functionalities that android has but not available in ios.
 
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sentinelsx

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I think android users mostly don't hate iphone. we just feel ios/iphone inferior.

Yup. The OP is probably worried how something they viewed as the best in class is not considered the same by others. And how come people find flaws.

The OP should understand that nothing is perfect and even android devices have flaws we all talk about quite a lot. It's time they stop putting iPhone/ios on the untouchable pedestal. It has its share of flaws/operating philosophy that no everyone is going to like.

Also, not everyone criticizing ios uses android. I would not be surprised if people find wp8 or bb10 as serving them better than android/ios. Those OSes have their fair share of pluses and minuses as well.
 
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jrswizzle

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I think android users mostly don't hate iphone. we just feel ios/iphone inferior. ios is so lagging in features that to us it is like a low end smartphone. and we are just frustrated because of the nonsense said about android.

I think hate applies more to ifans hating android because ifans want to think as a fact that iPhone is superior but then reality hits and they have to face or counter the numerous functionalities that android has but not available in ios.

There's your problem right there. One is not inferior. There is no better overall platform. There's a lot of misplaced hate on both sides - most of which stems from insecure idiots spouting nonsense they have no idea about.

The fact is, the iPhone is not lacking in features. Android users see iOS the way they see Android - which is wrong to begin with because they aren't created with the same purpose. Of course if you put the two side-by-side, Android would have more features, but that's the way they were each designed.

iOS is a portal - behind-the-scenes manager of very basic function, allowing the apps to be the main focus. All that functionality Android users think iOS is missing is found in those apps.

Android on the other hand has many features packed into it. The apps are supplements, secondary to the OS itself. This why there is more customization - because the focus is the OS.

There are definitely things Apple could do better, just as there are things Android could do better. These arguments stem from the belief that both are infallible....which isn't true. Someone who's a fan of one will tend to point out every small problem with the other (ignoring that many times they are speaking from preference and the other person couldn't care less about the lack of a certain feature) and completely ignore the problem in their favored OS.

There are two key things I try to remember when getting into these debates, especially given the fact I like and use both daily:

(1) It's all about preferences.
(2) iOS and Android are not meant to be the same, nor can they be viewed in exactly the same light.

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Yup. The OP is probably worried how something they viewed as the best in class is not considered the same by others. And how come people find flaws.

The OP should understand that nothing is perfect and even android devices have flaws we all talk about quite a lot. It's time they stop putting iPhone/ios on the untouchable pedestal. It has its share of flaws/operating philosophy that no everyone is going to like.

Also, not everyone criticizing ios uses android. I would not be surprised if people find wp8 or bb10 as serving them better than android/ios. Those OSes have their fair share of pluses and minuses as well.

This is another annoying assumption made....

There is a small percentage of iOS users who blindly follow Apple wherever they go and think there are no faults with the device/OS.

My problem with this line of thinking lies in the fact that some people here think every one of their criticisms of iOS is completely valid....even though many times the criticism is in direct confrontation with Apple's philosophy for iOS or its simply a preference of the person....and when confronted with either of these issues, that person automatically resorts to this "You're a blind Apple fanboy who can't criticize iOS".

Stereotypes exist for a reason, I know. But I think the world would be a lot better of if we all tried both to not be the cause of the stereotype and to not use those stereotypes for our own gain in an argument.
 
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sentinelsx

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I believe I was talking about the people like OP, I didn't know it warranted an extrapolation to "many people think their ios criticism are valid". Many people also think their android/wp8/bb10/Symbian criticisms are valid too. However I never confirmed them as valid. Please don't read too much into it.

As for the first quote, notice "we feel". The poster did not imply it IS inferior, they mentioned how they FEEL and I expanded on that.

Again, getting defensive over that is not warranted.
 
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jrswizzle

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I believe I was talking about the people like OP, I didn't know it warranted an extrapolation to "many people think their ios criticism are valid". Many people also think their android/wp8/bb10/Symbian criticisms are valid too. However I never confirmed them as valid. Please don't read too much into it.

As for the first quote, notice "we feel". The poster did not imply it IS inferior, they mentioned how they FEEL and I expanded on that.

Again, getting defensive over that is not warranted.

I wasn't directing my post at you either - I read other posts of yours here and I know you view it as a choice.....

Simply used the thread as an avenue to express the thoughts I did. It seemed the OP opened up the door for ridiculous posts from both sides and I felt like I would preempt some of it.....He also said why he (and other Android users) were frustrated about the FUD spread about Android. I did the same, though in more words.

I didn't feel my post was overly defensive - its pretty clear where this thread will go in the next few days :p:rolleyes:
 
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sentinelsx

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I wasn't directing my post at you either - I read other posts of yours here and I know you view it as a choice.....

Simply used the thread as an avenue to express the thoughts I did. It seemed the OP opened up the door for ridiculous posts from both sides and I felt like I would preempt some of it.....

I didn't feel my post was overly defensive - its pretty clear where this thread will go in the next few days :p:rolleyes:

Touché.

I also think of it mostly as another troll bait thread. Considering there is many comparisons already being made in other threads.
 
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Tinmania

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I'm curious as to why you think iMessage synchronization is a joke?
Because it is. No doubt about it.

The other day I had a conversation going on my iPad with my daughter then needed to switch to my iPhone as I was traveling. Instead of showing me the most-recent messages and then synching older messages it was synching older messages first--and taking forever to do so. Over the slow mobile data network that I was on this made using iMessage impossible. I would send her a message, only to have it buried underneath old messages from her (that I already saw on my iPad). I had no idea if she was replying to me or not because, yep, older messages kept pouring in. I had to switch to facebook messages (which worked fine, even showing proper history without spazzing out like iMessage did).

On my macs? Ugh. Sometimes a conversation will just evaporate, zapping all messages since, say, the day before. What did they write me just before? I don't know unless I pick up my iPad and check (or wait who-knows-how-long for iMessage on the mac to come to its senses). This quirk has caused me to inadvertently reply to old messages, out of context.

Essentially if you are not constantly using all of the devices the synching goes nuts till it can attempt to catch up. I hardly ever use my iPhone so it hadn't run iMessage in over a week. This is often the case with my iPad and mb air too.



Michael
 
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jrswizzle

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Touché.

I also think of it mostly as another troll bait thread. Considering there is many comparisons already being made in other threads.

Here we go again

Lol yup...

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Because it is. No doubt about it.

The other day I had a conversation going on my iPad with my daughter then needed to switch to my iPhone as I was traveling. Instead of showing me the most-recent messages and then synching older messages it was synching older messages first--and taking forever to do so. Over the slow mobile data network that I was on this made using iMessage impossible. I would send her a message, only to have it buried underneath old messages from her (that I already saw on my iPad). I had no idea if she was replying to me or not because, yep, older messages kept pouring in. I had to switch to facebook messages (which worked fine, even showing proper history without spazzing out like iMessage did).

On my macs? Ugh. Sometimes a conversation will just evaporate, zapping all messages since, say, the day before. What did they write me just before? I don't know unless I pick up my iPad and check (or what who-knows-how-long for iMessage on the mac to come to its senses). This quirk has caused me to inadvertently reply to old messages, out of context.

Essentially if you are not constantly using all of the devices the synching goes nuts till it can attempt to catch up. I hardly ever use my iPhone so it hadn't run iMessage in over a week. This is often the case with my iPad and mb air too.



Michael

Huh, interesting. The "syncing" isn't what I like about iMessage - that feature can easily be replicated on android. I miss the integration of iMessage with the regular SMS/MMS and being able to send over WiFi.

Because of the radiant barrier in my new house, I get terrible cell coverage - even though I'm less than a mile from an AT&T tower. Texting over WiFi was a big deal for me, though I recognize it won't be for everyone.

I'll have to look at the whole syncing thing though. Not that I don't believe you, but lol - you do tend to "go big" in your criticisms of iOS devices. Curious if it would bother me - if it does, there's clearly an issue because I tend to roll with whatever. Probably why I still like iOS....it hasn't killed my dog or run off with my wife, so really I couldn't care less about anything else it does (or doesn't do). :p

EDIT: I realize I prefer to keep messages separate on my iPhone and iPad - I don't have my phone number set up to receive iMessage on my iPad and I don't have my email adresses set up to recieve iMessages on my iPhone. Avoids the unnecessary double dinging - my iMac and iPad would be on the same conversations though - but otherwise, if I started a convo on my phone, I'd continue it on my iPad, but in a different thread attached to my email address, not my phone number.
 
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mib1800

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There's your problem right there. One is not inferior. There is no better overall platform. There's a lot of misplaced hate on both sides - most of which stems from insecure idiots spouting nonsense they have no idea about.

The fact is, the iPhone is not lacking in features. Android users see iOS the way they see Android - which is wrong to begin with because they aren't created with the same purpose. Of course if you put the two side-by-side, Android would have more features, but that's the way they were each designed.

iOS is a portal - behind-the-scenes manager of very basic function, allowing the apps to be the main focus. All that functionality Android users think iOS is missing is found in those apps.

Android on the other hand has many features packed into it. The apps are supplements, secondary to the OS itself. This why there is more customization - because the focus is the OS.

There are definitely things Apple could do better, just as there are things Android could do better. These arguments stem from the belief that both are infallible....which isn't true. Someone who's a fan of one will tend to point out every small problem with the other (ignoring that many times they are speaking from preference and the other person couldn't care less about the lack of a certain feature) and completely ignore the problem in their favored OS.

There are two key things I try to remember when getting into these debates, especially given the fact I like and use both daily:

(1) It's all about preferences.
(2) iOS and Android are not meant to be the same, nor can they be viewed in exactly the same light.

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This is another annoying assumption made....

There is a small percentage of iOS users who blindly follow Apple wherever they go and think there are no faults with the device/OS.

My problem with this line of thinking lies in the fact that some people here think every one of their criticisms of iOS is completely valid....even though many times the criticism is in direct confrontation with Apple's philosophy for iOS or its simply a preference of the person....and when confronted with either of these issues, that person automatically resorts to this "You're a blind Apple fanboy who can't criticize iOS".

Stereotypes exist for a reason, I know. But I think the world would be a lot better of if we all tried both to not be the cause of the stereotype and to not use those stereotypes for our own gain in an argument.

it is not about stereotyping but more about human nature. the first thing that comes into play in any comparison is spec. more is better kind of mentality.

a rich man (android) has more money than a poor one (ios). you may argue that being rich may not be happy or you can't fully spend the money or you still die at the end. But pick ten persons out a crowd and ask them whether they want to be poor or rich? and we know what the outcome is. it is much harder to convince people that being poor is better. and it is even harder if the person is already rich.
 
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Tinmania

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Huh, interesting. The "syncing" isn't what I like about iMessage - that feature can easily be replicated on android. I miss the integration of iMessage with the regular SMS/MMS and being able to send over WiFi.

Because of the radiant barrier in my new house, I get terrible cell coverage - even though I'm less than a mile from an AT&T tower. Texting over WiFi was a big deal for me, though I recognize it won't be for everyone.

I'll have to look at the whole syncing thing though. Not that I don't believe you, but lol - you do tend to "go big" in your criticisms of iOS devices. Curious if it would bother me - if it does, there's clearly an issue because I tend to roll with whatever. Probably why I still like iOS....it hasn't killed my dog or run off with my wife, so really I couldn't care less about anything else it does (or doesn't do). :p

EDIT: I realize I prefer to keep messages separate on my iPhone and iPad - I don't have my phone number set up to receive iMessage on my iPad and I don't have my email adresses set up to recieve iMessages on my iPhone. Avoids the unnecessary double dinging - my iMac and iPad would be on the same conversations though - but otherwise, if I started a convo on my phone, I'd continue it on my iPad, but in a different thread attached to my email address, not my phone number.
The synching of conversations was supposed to be one of the benefits to iMessage. Ergo, I use it--or try to. It does get frustrating. But having multiple conversations going--which was the only option with iMessage prior to being able to use a phone number with ipad/mac--was even more frustrating to me.

As for signal at your house... maybe a signal booster/repeater would help?



Michael
 
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ECUpirate44

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OP, it's not a good idea to stick up for iOS lately around these parts.... It's stale and Apple needs to bring it with iOS7.
 
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jrswizzle

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it is not about stereotyping but more about human nature. the first thing that comes into play in any comparison is spec. more is better kind of mentality.

a rich man (android) has more money than a poor one (ios). you may argue that being rich may not be happy or you can't fully spend the money or you still die at the end. But pick ten persons out a crowd and ask them whether they want to be poor or rich? and we know what the outcome is. it is much harder to convince people that being poor is better. and it is even harder if the person is already rich.

Ehh - given the iPhone is still the single best selling smartphone line in the world, your analogy sort of falls apart. Also, Apple owns a majority of the smartphone industry's profits/revenue.

Pick ten people out of a crowd and ask them whether they want an iPhone or an Android phone, and the outcome wouldn't be so predictable.

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The synching of conversations was supposed to be one of the benefits to iMessage. Ergo, I use it--or try to. It does get frustrating. But having multiple conversations going--which was the only option with iMessage prior to being able to use a phone number with ipad/mac--was even more frustrating to me.

As for signal at your house... maybe a signal booster/repeater would help?



Michael

I'm sure it would - I just have a hard time getting behind the idea that I need to pay AT&T an extra $200 so they can use MY internet bandwidth that I already pay for to send texts that they'll charge me for anyway.....

Seems extremely scammy to me....and I can still generally get texts out....though sending group texts is a bit difficult....
 
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Tinmania

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I'm sure it would - I just have a hard time getting behind the idea that I need to pay AT&T an extra $200 so they can use MY internet bandwidth that I already pay for to send texts that they'll charge me for anyway.....

Seems extremely scammy to me....and I can still generally get texts out....though sending group texts is a bit difficult....
I didn't mean the one from AT&T that uses wifi to make a micro-cell. I meant an actual signal booster/repeater that can utilize that robust signal that is outdoors and make it usable indoors. Alas, for one that works it would probably still set you back $100-$200. If I was in that situation I'd probably get one. But I would also probably stress over the lack of signal a lot more too. ;)



Michael
 
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