To anyone considering the 2016 MB Pro...

[enzo thecat]

Forget the winers and naysayers here. This is one fabulous machine. The touch bar is AMAZING. That alone is worth the upgrade to me and I didn't really have expectations. The more I use the computer, the more features there are. The resolution of the touch bar is other-worldly. Ok, I have to admit, having to carry around an adapter is annoying and I also missed having the onboard DVD Rom drive. But now that I am using this notebook I am absolutely in love with the shape and weight and slimness of it. My 2010 was running great but I was worried that it was reaching its life expectancy so I bought this 15". I was somewhat reluctant because of the all "experts" here. Well, they are full of it. I get why Apple was excited about this machine. I think they did an amazing job and I actually think it was a bargain considering the all of this.

Lately I have been Apples biggest critic. I'm angry with my iOS experiences these last couple of years. But I have to give credit where credit is due.

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[runner77]

Thanks for the post. Yes, I often have the impression that most people who complain about the MBP do not actually need that more power they want to see in a MBP. I am a professional user and make my income 100% on a MBP as a software engineer. And these machines so far always amazed me.

The design, the performance, the durability and the awesome customer support of Apple are things that are hard to find at any other brand in this well executed combination. And I am not even talking about the OS, which is the main reason why I buy these machines for the past 15 years.

So far I only had good experiences with Apple products, so I don't care much about the price, as I make my income with these machines (around 2% of my income goes into Apple products, very reasonable, compared to other professions where people need to pay much more for their working tools).

 

[Ries]

Thanks for the post. Yes, I often have the impression that most people who complain about the MBP do not actually need that more power they want to see in a MBP. I am a professional user and make my income 100% on a MBP as a software engineer. And these machines so far always amazed me.

The design, the performance, the durability and the awesome customer support of Apple are things that are hard to find at any other brand in this well executed combination. And I am not even talking about the OS, which is the main reason why I buy these machines for the past 15 years.

So far I only had good experiences with Apple products, so I don't care much about the price, as I make my income with these machines (around 2% of my income goes into Apple products, very reasonable, compared to other professions where people need to pay much more for their working tools).

Max spec'ed 2016 model $4300, 15-20% Slower than the 2015 $2800 model... Same 4K files, same version of OS/FCPX:

 

[john123]

Forget the winers and naysayers here...My 2010 was running great but I was worried that it was reaching its life expectancy so I bought this 15". I was somewhat reluctant because of the all "experts" here. Well, they are full of it.

This is a little unfair. You went from from a 6 year old machine to a new one. A lot of people who have been critical of the new models are those who are using more recent models. The jump from, say, your 2010 to a mid 2015 model would be quite substantial. So it's not quite fair to say that everyone is "full of it" when they simply may have a different starting point than you.

 

[runner77]

Max spec'ed 2016 model $4300, 15-20% Slower than the 2015 $2800 model... Same 4K files, same version of OS/FCPX:

Ah come on, there are videos that can "proof" any point of view.

Here the opposite results. MBP 2016 faster than previous model. Scroll to minute 3:30 until 4:40:

These discussions are pointless. In the professional context I ask one question: Can I get my job done with it in a reasonable time? If yes, I buy it. I don't care about minor differences, really. For me it's important that I can work fast and in a flow without interruptions with the software and VMs I need to use. About everything else I don't care. I have the impression many people make up things and then get frustrated about them, while they don't actually are affected in their daily use.


And as you can see in the above video, the new MBP is faster.

 

[Ries]

This is a little unfair. You went from from a 6 year old machine to a new one. A lot of people who have been critical of the new models are those who are using more recent models. The jump from, say, your 2010 to a mid 2015 model would be quite substantial. So it's not quite fair to say that everyone is "full of it" when they simply may have a different starting point than you.

I have a late 2011, other than a better screen, it gives me nothing. The 2011 is plenty fast, the SSD speed increase I won't notice and I already got 16GB RAM. I'm keeping my money and hoping for a better model, 15-16" without touchbar and 4K OLED screen.

 

[0905893]

I also have the 15 inch tbMBP. However, I've been hearing an electrical buzzing noise under my keyboard if I put my ear right next to my keyboard. Can you hear anything on yours?

 

[idark77]

I also have the 15 inch tbMBP. However, I've been hearing an electrical buzzing noise under my keyboard if I put my ear right next to my keyboard. Can you hear anything on yours?

Coil Whine

 

[0905893]

Coil Whine

Is that normal for these new tbMBPs? All of my friends 2015 versions don't have this noise.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Confirmation bias is an amazing phenomenon to witness. One person can make FCP faster on a new machine, another can make it slower. They can shape benchmark results to fit their own beliefs or just to channel traffic to their bulkshit YouTube channel...because getting a real job is hard.

 

[idark77]

Is that normal for these new tbMBPs? All of my friends 2015 versions don't have this noise.

Coil Whine on Skylake architecture is not new. If you are in a silent room and you are not able to hear it when sitting at normal distance from MBP nothing is wrong. If you put your ear next to keyboard the buzzing sound can be normal.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Coil Whine on Skylake architecture is not new.

A coil on a CPU? Haha

 

[idark77]

A coil on a CPU? Haha

Coil is not on CPU. "Coil Whine" is a phenomenon in electronics which produces undesirable audible. It can be linked also to capacitors in the modern electronics

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Coil is not on CPU. "Coil Whine" is a phenomenon in electronics which produces undesirable audible. It can be linked also to capacitors in the modern electronics

Then you don't say it's a Skylake problem. You have to define where this 'whine' is because it's not in the CPU or chipset. There's no coil in those components.

 

[jacg]

At least I don't have coil whine, which sounds like a horrible issue. But I do have...

1. Terrible graphics glitches when logging in. And occasionally multicoloured windows when switching spaces.

2. When using Keynote v5.3 I cannot present slides to my 2nd display (a projector). Screen goes blank for a few seconds then Keynote crashes.

3. The touch bar shows only function keys when using Keynote v5.3 (and Keynote v7.0.5), even though it shows App controls with control strip for every other app. There is no option in either app to customise the touch bar as in all other iWork apps (’09 and the new feature-stripped versions).

4. I was randomly logged out while playing a podcast via Airplay connected to a power source yesterday. Will this be a common occurance?

5. Dashboard seems to quit randomly, so that when I bring it up, it has to reload all the widgets.

6. Battery life is very poor. 3-4 hours of actual use at most. This is several days in, so no housekeeping tasks going on in background.

 

[idark77]

Then you don't say it's a Skylake problem. You have to define where this 'whine' is because it's not in the CPU or chipset. There's no coil in those components.

I said Skylake Architecture and not CPU just to indicate the entire hardware, in general.

 

[poorcody]

Max spec'ed 2016 model $4300, 15-20% Slower than the 2015 $2800 model... Same 4K files, same version of OS/FCPX:

You may want to check out this more thorough review of video editing:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/max-yuryevs-review-is-up-video-people.2019233/

 

[ocgirl]

Max spec'ed 2016 model $4300, 15-20% Slower than the 2015 $2800 model...

I just bought the 13 tbMPB inch 512 / 16 Gb. I did a comparison with the 2015 model available and guess what there was only 160 euros difference (2280 vs 2439) for the same specs... obviously coming from a 2011 MBP (and interim 2009 MB) I opted for the new model... I think most complainers don't realize that the majority of users don't change their computer every year but instead opt to invest in the machine to keep it longer than a traditional Windows one.

At the end of the day, like the old adage goes : to each their own.

 

[Aspen82]

I also have the 15 inch tbMBP. However, I've been hearing an electrical buzzing noise under my keyboard if I put my ear right next to my keyboard. Can you hear anything on yours?

I read in previous posts about this being related to the lack of a ground, the solution was to purchase the extension to the power block.

 

[montanaco]

I have a late 2011, other than a better screen, it gives me nothing. The 2011 is plenty fast, the SSD speed increase I won't notice and I already got 16GB RAM. I'm keeping my money and hoping for a better model, 15-16" without touchbar and 4K OLED screen.

Lol huh? I just came from the 2011 model as well and the difference is huge. And I also upgraded my RAM and hard drive on the 2011 machine. Literally everything is faster and more efficient. The speakers are insane, the screen is insane and it's a pound lighter. It's been an amazing upgrade in every way lol.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

I said Skylake Architecture and not CPU just to indicate the entire hardware, in general.

The architecture is the CPU only. Every other component has its own name. But Intel doesn't ship any components that have coils.

 

[idark77]

The architecture is the CPU only. Every other component has its own name. But Intel doesn't ship any components that have coils.

I explained in my previous post, so stop here. I know very well coils, capacitors and what Intel ships. For me and in engineering, hardware architecture refers to the identification of a system's physical components and their interrelationships. Hope this time is more clear so I won't continue in this discussion.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

I explained in my previous post, so stop here. I know very well coils, capacitors and what Intel ships. For me and in engineering, hardware architecture refers to the identification of a system's physical components and their interrelationships. Hope this time is more clear so I won't continue in this discussion.

Just don't call this overall system interrelationship system components thing 'Skylake'. That's all I reminded you.

When pointing out something like coil whine you only needed to point out the narrow specific component that has a physical coil. That's nothing to do with a CPU's code name and everything to do with electronics in general.

 

[idark77]

Just don't call this overall system interrelationship system components thing 'Skylake'. That's all I reminded you.

When pointing out something like coil whine you only needed to point out the narrow specific component that has a physical coil. That's nothing to do with a CPU's code name and everything to do with electronics in general.

Again i know what i know. STOP OT

 

[Phoenixx]

The design, the performance, the durability and the awesome customer support of Apple are things that are hard to find at any other brand in this well executed combination.

You have got to be joking. The design is shocking, the performance is crap, the durability is nothing special, and the customer service that Apple has these days is about as bad as it comes. I think you are confusing the old Apple with the new Apple.