To anyone who thinks the iphone4 Antennae issue is like other phones

[InfinitiG]

Troll much?

Get a life.

Troll? You are the one using grammar only used on internet message boards and I need a life?

 

[Knowimagination]

-Now someone shows that it's not about gripping, but a design flaw that can be replicated with one finger
*Without any better argument, these infants come back and say "don't hold it that way", because Apple says so

Funny I keep having to use this analogy. If you bought a new car but your passenger door doesn't open, do you ask your date to crawl/squeeze through on the driver side every time or ask the dealership to fix it? If you would rather have your passenger crawl from the driver side every time, more power to you. Otherwise, quit telling people to "avoid the spot". The phone is designed to be used in multiple orientations... you really expect EVERYONE in the world to avoid the spot during their normal usage habits, twisting and turning the phone?

Your analogy would be more accurate if there were a spot on your floorboard where if you placed your foot there your car would stop running. It could be a great car as long as you don't put your foot on that part of the floor.

So would you mark that spot and avoid it so you could enjoy the really nice car?

You would either return the car because you can not live with the one spot you have to avoid or you would live with the spot because you really like the rest of the car.

I'm not trying to say that apple is free and clear, but at this point I think that holding it differently is a perfectly acceptable answer and not because apple said so.

 

[QuarterSwede]

Why is anyone trying to convince everybody that the product is fatally flawed when there are so many people perfectly happy with it? I just don't get it.

It's the same reason why everyone thinks at&t has the worst service everywhere in the country even though most of the journalists/tech pundits that write/talk about at&t's coverage live in the WORST coverage areas with the highest population densities, San Fran and NYC.

 

[Fernandez21]

Everybody's just missing everyone else's point here;

All most of us iPhone 4 owners want to do is defend ourselves against this fandroid rhetoric that's being flung at us. I've been approached by strangers who want to pick a fight and tell me why my phone sucks. It doesn't matter to them that I say "It's not bothering me" because that just means I'm Apple fanboy apologist... that my choice in phone makes me an idiot. Im being judged personally... BY MY PHONE?!?!?! This crap needs to stop!

(almost) Nobody's pretending that attenuation isn't going to be a problem for some people. Nobody's pretending that the proximity sensor hasn't been causing problems for some people - hell, my wife's iPhone 4 has the proximity sensor issue and I just can't replicate it on mine.

I've been following these threads a LOT and I'm convinced that MOST of the emotion here is being brought out by a handful (I'm seeing the same names across multiple threads) of a**hole trolls who are going around insisting that we're all lying about the problems we're not having.

The result is that everybody gets all worked up, things get compounded and reactionary. Everybody starts making blunt blanket statements and generalizations and yes, it's really getting ugly.

Are you serious that people in real life come up to you and act that way? Honestly, you shouldn't let that bother you cause those people are truly pathetic. I've had that happen once, back when I first got my 3G some one at a Cingular kiosk asked if I had an iPhone, then said that's cool and if it can take pictures, then asked me to send it to him via mms then was all snarky laughing with his co-worker. I just laughed because I knew how pathetic that was and that he was lashing out cause they couldn't sell the iPhone and they probably lost alot of commission because it. Don't let losers like that get to you.

 

[doboy]

The iPhone4 antennae problem is unlike any other phone. Why do I say that? Because you have to actually grip other phones. The ip4 dies with a soft touch.

See this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TclSVCPzEs&feature=player_embedded

All data transmission freezes completely when the line is touched. Now this is because the 24db drop in signal put the phone in the No Service range. If they had perfect signal, this would only slow the data not kill it completely.

Anyone who wants to try to argue, please post a video of any other phone in existence losing signal with a touch.

Why is this important? Because this proves that Apple has a hardware flaw on it's hands. They are trying to lump this in with other phones as "just part of the business", but thats not the case.

P.S. Only the first 1:20 is relevant, the rest explains how invisishield solves the problem.

I'm not trying to defend iPhone 4 or trash Android, but I just picked up the Samsung Vibrant tonight to see if I want to switch over to T-Mobile since I can add a line to the family plan. I noticed immediately that the signal would drop when I hold it normally to use it in a portrait mode to surf the net. Since I can see the dBm under settings on an Android phone, I checked it out and noticed it the signal drop from -87 to -111.

This was just holding the phone to use it and not really gripping it hard. It still barely maintains the 3G status, but still can surf the net. Sure, this isn't the same as touching the spot on the iPhone, but presents similar challenges as the iPhone since I can't avoid signal attenuation. This problem is actually worse than my iPhone 4 since at least I'm willing to use a bumper, while I don't want to use a cover for this phone due to its size.

 

[Eso]

wow an RD design engineers doesnt know what a db is? But on the other hand is familiar with RF anechoic chamber certification levels.
Hmmmmm

He's probably just trying to point out that decibel is abbreviated as 'dB' as if he were five years old:

"What's a db?

...OH, you mean dB!"

 

[kre62]

But seriously... What's the difference if you can get the same attenuation by touching it? I mean really, this is exactly what Apple said. By holding any phone, there are varying levels of attenuation... Then they said they didn't think people would care that the same attenuation can be achieved by touching with a single finger... Jobs litterally said that in the press confrence. Why would you do that other then just to replicate the problem?

Hold it certain ways and drop bars? Yes, we know.
Touch it with one finger and drop the same bars? Who cares?

All you're doing is sensationalizing a non-issue. If you're not happy with it, please return it and stop perpetuating this idea that nobody is happy with it. I'm thrilled with this thing.

The difference is Apple is trying to avoid actually fixing their created mistake by convincing us its the same issue. They need to fix their flaw instead of playing this blame game.