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To apple it's all about numbers

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Phonefanman

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Apple could easily outdo Samsung if they wanted it's all based on choices. The things I know Apple could do....

1. Make an attractive classy device that's waterproof and go the extra distance on super quality materials...

2. Produce the best phone camera on the market or equally as good as the best out there

3. Use the best screen on the market behind (samsung screens) or Apple even create it's own super screen ( they have the money to do anything)

4. Produce the best speakers out of any phone you ever heard (apple being so big into music why haven't they?)

All about them numbers... Apple rather add a few new tech items to outdated hardware than to fully kick Samsung's butt and be recrowned as the number 1 smartphone... Apple rather be in second place and go cheap as possible squeezing all they can out of its dated hardware. All about them numbers...

Either way Apple is going to sell a boat load of iPhones regardless of the content of the phone... That's why the 2017 iPhone is coming a year late, the 2017 phone should be the 2016 phone...

Apple better get on the ball and stop being so obsessed over money or in the end they will lose. They are spinning out of control and going to screw the pooch and let Samsung get so far ahead that it will be game over for Apple...

Think Tim think.... We don't want Samsung's current phone two years from now we want a better phone today....
 
Phonefanman said:
Apple could easily outdo Samsung if they wanted it's all based on choices.
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Wow. You figured the way business works. Successful business make consistently good decisions! In my opinion and the opinions of many others, iPhone already outdoes Galaxy, but as you said it's all about choices.
 
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Sales numbers speak volumes, check them out.
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This will be an interesting post to revisit at the end of the year. All projections have Apple losing market share and there are numerous reports of suppliers downgrading orders based upon the likelihood of sluggish sales. I believe you will find that as far as numbers go Samsung easily sells more phones than Apple does. However Apple makes more money off of each phone they do sell.

I don't entirely agree with the OP but he does make some valid points. Apple does seem to linger and drag it's feet on adding features and simple upgrades. Look no further than the 16GB base model on their flagship 6S plus. They are beginning to be pushed into moving quicker and that is good. At least I hope they hurry up because they can't show up this late to the game for another few years and expect their earnings to stay level or higher.

Look at Apple's computer line up and tell me honestly they aren't beginning to lag behind. A good gauge of this is Macrumor's buying guides. There is hardly a product they suggest buying right now.
 
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Phonefanman said:
Say it isn't so
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Sales numbers are going down on iPhone for the first time. Yeah they are good, great, but they going down. Cause old hardware and Samsung
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It's the "down a quarter" after 10 record breaking quarters, apple is doomed! (hyperbole alert).
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ryanwarsaw said:
This will be an interesting post to revisit at the end of the year. All projections have Apple losing market share and there are numerous reports of suppliers downgrading orders based upon the likelihood of sluggish sales. I believe you will find that as far as numbers go Samsung easily sells more phones than Apple does. However Apple makes more money off of each phone they do sell.

I don't entirely agree with the OP but he does make some valid points. Apple does seem to linger and drag it's feet on adding features and simple upgrades. Look no further than the 16GB base model on their flagship 6S plus. They are beginning to be pushed into moving quicker and that is good. At least I hope they hurry up because they can't show up this late to the game for another few years and expect their earnings to stay level or higher.

Look at Apple's computer line up and tell me honestly they aren't beginning to lag behind. A good gauge of this is Macrumor's buying guides. There is hardly a product they suggest buying right now.
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Apple doesn't care about market share; market share is a red-herring. (check android). The only company that makes out on android marketshare is google, as they get a cut of every phone that a manufacturer builds. Apple gets 94%(I don't know the correct number) of revenue/profits in the smartphone sector; they will not be hurting if they got 92%.

Apple is behind if the benchmark is screen resolution. Other than they are well ahead of the competition in the overall ecosystem, stability of the platform, longevity of the platform. If you want to turn this into a file system vs non-file system; we all know where that is.
 
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I don't think anybody said Apple is doomed. It's just the game has changed and become more competitive. They will have to offer compelling reasons to retain customers from here on out. This is a good thing. Nobody likes watching a game that is completely lop sided unless of course you are a die hard fan of one side or the other.

Apple could sell half of what they do and still be fine with 30 billion instead of a gajillion billion. Apple is certainly not dying but will find it increasingly difficult to be the juggernaut they are. This is normal, they have sold the most expensive equipment to most everybody in the world. How will they continue to grow or even maintain current levels if they don't pull a rabbit out of their hat soon?

You will see what happens when they announce the biggest feature in their new android killer is 32 GB base unit, a new color and lack of a headphone jack. Just about anybody that follows this site knows that in the past few years Apple hasn't hit a home run lately and need one now or very soon.
 
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Phonefanman said:
Say it isn't so
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Sales numbers are going down on iPhone for the first time. Yeah they are good, great, but they going down. Cause old hardware and Samsung
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Everyone's numbers are going to start falling now. Its not an Apple problem, its a market problem. The market has reached maturity and the only way something is going to create a new smartphone boom is if there is true innovation. Camera, waterproofing and screen quality isn't enough to change it. It has to be something new.
 
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Phonefanman said:
Apple could easily outdo Samsung if they wanted it's all based on choices. The things I know Apple could do....

1. Make an attractive classy device that's waterproof and go the extra distance on super quality materials...

2. Produce the best phone camera on the market or equally as good as the best out there

3. Use the best screen on the market behind (samsung screens) or Apple even create it's own super screen ( they have the money to do anything)

4. Produce the best speakers out of any phone you ever heard (apple being so big into music why haven't they?)

All about them numbers... Apple rather add a few new tech items to outdated hardware than to fully kick Samsung's butt and be recrowned as the number 1 smartphone... Apple rather be in second place and go cheap as possible squeezing all they can out of its dated hardware. All about them numbers...

Either way Apple is going to sell a boat load of iPhones regardless of the content of the phone... That's why the 2017 iPhone is coming a year late, the 2017 phone should be the 2016 phone...

Apple better get on the ball and stop being so obsessed over money or in the end they will lose. They are spinning out of control and going to screw the pooch and let Samsung get so far ahead that it will be game over for Apple...

Think Tim think.... We don't want Samsung's current phone two years from now we want a better phone today....
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Most of your posts are rah-rah Apple...this one is a change of pace. Or is it?

It's no secret that the iPhone is not the most technically advanced phone and that features like oled displays, wireless charging , and waterproofing have appeared on other phones but not yet on the Apple phones.

We can only hope that some of these features show up soon.

Otherwise. yes... some may look elsewhere when it's time to buy a new phone. Ball is in Apple's court.
 
ryanwarsaw said:
I don't think anybody said Apple is doomed. It's just the game has changed and become more competitive. They will have to offer compelling reasons to retain customers from here on out. This is a good thing. Nobody likes watching a game that is completely lop sided unless of course you are a die hard fan of one side or the other.

Apple could sell half of what they do and still be fine with 30 billion instead of a gajillion billion. Apple is certainly not dying but will find it increasingly difficult to be the juggernaut they are. This is normal, they have sold the most expensive equipment to most everybody in the world. How will they continue to grow or even maintain current levels if they don't pull a rabbit out of their hat soon?

You will see what happens when they announce the biggest feature in their new android killer is 32 GB base unit, a new color and lack of a headphone jack. Just about anybody that follows this site knows that in the past few years Apple hasn't hit a home run lately and need one now or very soon.
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When one down quarter is mentioned without mentioning 10 record breaking quarters, it's a bit myopic....don't you think?

Apple is not about specs, they are about changing the experience. The game hasn't changed; it's still the same game, same company turning out innovative products. Samsung and HTC flagships at launched are priced on par with apple. The difference is the price of those flagships drop quickly after launch...why is that? An Xiaomi or OPPO offers almost the same experience as the S7 at half the price that is where the competition is. These phones are 98% of the s7 at 50% of the price; where is the real competition. It's extremely likely these brands will take both Samsung and Apple customers.

Apple hit a home run with the 5s, 6 and 6s, I don't know how you can say they didn't, but opinions vary I guess. The 5s was an industry game changer, while the 6s just hit it out the park, with the newer s7 barely besting it.

My favorite example is integrating apple pay in websites. While I'm sure the competition will catch up with this, what a great idea, not to have your credit number floating around the internet; even though one isn't liable for fraudulent charges.

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bufffilm said:
Most of your posts are rah-rah Apple...this one is a change of pace. Or is it?

It's no secret that the iPhone is not the most technically advanced phone and that features like oled displays, wireless charging , and waterproofing have appeared on other phones but not yet on the Apple phones.

We can only hope that some of these features show up soon.

Otherwise. yes... some may look elsewhere when it's time to buy a new phone. Ball is in Apple's court.
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Those features you mentioned, none of them are compelling to me to switch to another brand.
 
I7guy said:
When one down quarter is mentioned without mentioning 10 record breaking quarters, it's a bit myopic....don't you think?

Apple is not about specs, they are about changing the experience. The game hasn't changed; it's still the same game, same company turning out innovative products. Samsung and HTC flagships at launched are priced on par with apple. The difference is the price of those flagships drop quickly after launch...why is that? An Xiaomi or OPPO offers almost the same experience as the S7 at half the price that is where the competition is. These phones are 98% of the s7 at 50% of the price; where is the real competition. It's extremely likely these brands will take both Samsung and Apple customers.

Apple hit a home run with the 5s, 6 and 6s, I don't know how you can say they didn't, but opinions vary I guess. The 5s was an industry game changer, while the 6s just hit it out the park, with the newer s7 barely besting it.
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Those features you mentioned, none of them are compelling to me to switch to another brand.
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Only one I'm interested in the OLED.

My 6s will last 2-3 years easily. If Apple hasn't made the jump to oled by then, I may jump ship.

We'll see.
 
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Only one I'm interested in the OLED.

My 6s will last 2-3 years easily. If Apple hasn't made the jump to oled by then, I may jump ship.

We'll see.
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The OLED is the killer feature on the S7E. I prefer IOS over android and am not into all these specs droid fans always throw out as they don't mean much to me. If Apple wasn't late to the game with the same thing nobody would even be mentioning the S7E. But they still as far as well know more than a year out from that happening on an iPhone. Anybody who is tempted to switch is having a good look at it now.

However that is just Apple being behind and what the OP I think was talking about is how Apple seems to hold off of basic features that are feasible to do today in order to milk out the numbers. I think it is safe to say that this is the case. It may be a good business strategy and it has worked very well for Apple over the years. But things have changed and there is real competition now and Apple no longer owns the only usable phone out there by any means. So we shall see how this pans out but the sales figures projected have already been priced into Apple's recently falling stock.

Pretty much everybody and their brother knows Apple has lost this round and is looking forward to next year when there is something to talk about. We all know the next keynote is likely to be a big yawn fest and most of us are simply hoping something happens to their computer line so we can upgrade our aging Macs.

I am just one person but the fact that an avid Apple user is suddenly looking around at other options phones and computers included should be an indication I am perhaps not the only one doing so?
 
This forum does not represent the majority of Apple users. It's not about winning or losing because Apple seems to be winning big time overall. The Galaxy s7 is samsungs best to date, but it is far from an iPhone 6s killer as some make it out.

There will always be those who go back and forth and then the generalist statements like "many people believe..." Will come out. And Apple does not shove specs into their devices without thinking it through. SD card and ir blaster come to mind.

Apple holds off features because it wants to have a clear path, not like the above put it in take it out SD card. New software and hardware features form the fabric of future generations of products.

With rumors about Apple adopting tru-tone wide gamut display without going oled is exciting news.
 
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I agree with this. iOS has been going down hill, but has improved in iOS 10, but still just isn't as pleasing as the legacy versions. Apple shoves software updates down our throughts like crazy and don't give a flying **** if it benifits you or not. Are they proud of the number of iDevices on the latest software? Yes, a little too proud if you ask me. If you look at the numbers and you see that more people are on the older version after a year the newest one released, that's a sign to get your **** back together and fix what you ****ed up. Listen to the people once in a while Apple… please?

You have no idea how much frustration and letdowns iOS 7+ has brought me. iOS 4-6 got me into the Apple ecosystem and when I accidentally updated to 7, I was upset. I hated every minute of it and still do to this day. I've read all sorts of things the designers said about iOS 7 and just shook my head and said you guys are so stupid… do you not understand how to make a pleasing UI and UX??!!! They clearly don't understand skeuomorphism at all.

I know raging about it isn't going to do ****, but this really gets under my skin. The only thing I can do is try to shoot for a designer job at Apple in the future and attempt to fix it myself, unless they fix it before I get there, but that's way easier said than done.


I know this wasn't about the phone, but iOS is just as important as the iPhone and iPad.
 
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