Floating, just like with Baldi, I'm not going to rehash the arguments in the other thread here.
What you do need to do, Darryl, is be accountable when you make a factual error in a posting. I
noted your error and you never addressed it.
The quarter billion number you present pretends that it's all unique users rather than recognizing that many of those units are the same people buying newer iDevices as upgrades come out.
I didn't say 250M users; I said 250M devices.
We're
still waiting for you to explain how this number of devices can be explained away as a
small minority.
It's not 250 Million unique iDevice users; the number you reference is all iDevices made to that point in time. Do you really believe that all iDevices ever made are all still in use by individual users or is there no room to believe that maybe original iPhone users have updated to a newer iPhone(s), that iPad1 buyers have upgraded to iPad 2s, that iPod Touch users have bought newer touches? Yes, the total units ever made tally may indeed by 250M+, but if I've upgraded iDevices- say- 3 times, it's not that I'm 3 unique users using iDevices (I'm 3 of those 250M+). Some people upgrade with every new version of every iDevice. They might be 5, 6, or 7+ of that 250M+ tally. Unique users is not equal to total units ever made.
That's why I said a
quarter-billion iOS devices.
As to "small minority" that was in reference to the concept that one cannot fully embrace HTML5 as a complete replacement for Flash now if they want to do so. If we waved a magic wand to today and made all websites everywhere HTML5, only a small minority capable of displaying HTML5 sites could access them. If the lack of Flash on an iDevice makes that user feel like part of the Internet is broke, HTML5 suddenly in place everywhere would make tons of users feel like the whole Internet is broke.
No, that wasn't at all how you used the term "small minority":
Unless of course the website really needs mixed media, interactive media, etc, for which then you need to go with solutions that work for the whole world of Internet users (Flash) plus the relatively small minority (iDevice users) locked out of Flash.
Once I recognized that you would only see "facts" that supported the anti-Flash view and ignore "facts" that were contrary, I realized that argument was futile to continue there... and here.
Actually, it looks like you didn't at all believe the quarter-billion iOS device number. You made some sarcastic comments trying to dismiss it.
I provided the chain or reasoning and facts why I strongly believe we're well over the quarter-billion iOS device today. You didn't dispute anything I said.
@Darryl: in the third week of October, we will know the numbers. If Apple isn't significantly over the 250M number in this quarter, I will publicly apologize to you.
If Apple is well over the 250M number, will you publicly apologize here?
Anyone who believes the total number of iDevices ever sold are all still in use and are all being used by a unique user (thus 250M+ unique users) [SNIP]
Who exactly are you arguing against? I never said that is was unique users. That is
not what we were discussing in the other thread. Please stop arguing against straw men, Daryl.
should buy your arguments about impending tipping points, etc.
If you disagree, you should present your reasons and facts. But arguing against something we weren't even discussing sounds rather silly.
I'm done here. Objective minds should seek out such information for themselves.
When you make indefensible claims in a discussion, you should account for them. You should also avoid launching into straw-man discussions. Thanks, Darryl.
And given it's propagation and most mainstream standard for multimedia, animation and video on the World Wide Web,
It was a de facto standard. It was never a mainstream standard, and it certainly isn't an open standard. It's a proprietary standard with a player available from a single vendor.
Please be very careful in using spin-words in the discussion.
it is still THE way to do things that HTML5 is still far from doing and have that stuff playable on the vast majority of Internet-connected devices all over the world (except iDevices of course... but only because Steve chose to forbid it, not because it couldn't work on iDevices).
Please stop trying to claim that this was Steve's personal decision. That's another spin-phrase. The decision was actually a corporate decision.
Jobs wrote a memo about Apple's decision. He noted the accessibility problem as the most important reason for iOS being Flash-free. I have never seen a competent response to that point from Adobe or any of the Flash-advocates. Do they not understand that accessibility on the web is a problem? Do they not understand at Flash and accessibility are mutually exclusive?
Most importantly though, like any other "useless" app in the app store (for you or me), if it was available as an option, YOU wouldn't need to install it. And if the world of iDevice users agreed with your view of it, they wouldn't install it either (just like any other "bad" app tends to not get installed on many devices). When a superior technology replaces a buggy, battery burning, "crash my Safari 10 times a day" technology it does so because it is superior not because some corporation decides to forbid the established technology.
If the goal is getting to an accessible web, than Flash needs to be flushed. Deliberately limiting iOS devices will definitely help to accelerate that process.
We saw one of the major benchmarks to flushing Flash last week: Adobe's streaming servers now provide an open-protocol option for all streaming data. The shift is dramatic: Adobe used to argue that media only available in Flash was a compelling reason that all devices must have Flash.
Individual choices should trump corporate mandates.
If we as a society choose to have an accessible web, does that trump Adobe's corporate mandate to have an inaccessible technology on the web.
If what the corporation believes really is the best way forward, it will happen anyway... because it is the best way forward.
The point is that it will now happen much faster -- thanks to the decisive actions of Apple Corporation.
