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At the very least, be thankful that macOS isn't the pile of legacy crap that Windows is at this point.
Windows is fine, the system is very responsive, secure, less ads, great sounding music, more interchangeable and sleeker than OSX at times.
i thought Mojave was Apple OSX pinnacle,
although i have not tried BigSur because apple wont let me run that on their product.
 
Would have been a great day to launch a new iMac
Right? Or at least create something that's heartwarming like the 30th Mac anniversary video below.

It's taking Apple literally forever to refresh their iMac line and I doubt they'll ever deliver something compellingly new. If it wasn't for the M1 chipsets I'd be convinced they've abandoned the Mac for good.

 
Sorry but both OS's right now are a pile of legacy crap. Big Sur is Cupertino putting iOS lipstick on the Catalina pig.
LOL. How is macOS a pig?

Swift, Metal, APFS. All 64 bit applications. Apple Silicon. Machine Learning. SF Symbols. Dark Mode.

Nope. macOS is pretty trim.

Windows, on the other hand, well...that's going not very well.

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And that...that's from their official UI guidelines.
 
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i have the original box and disk somewhere in the attic- came with a lot of cool tools like text editor from what I recall. Had a g4 tower with 400mhz - very exciting to fire it up with the new OS... so easy on the eyes!
 
Like many of the designers and engineers I work with now they've lost a key ability... their solutions to new features and challenges is additive... add more components, more code, etc... because there's "no cost today" to add more (and it's good job security)... however, you see the impact... more complexity (inside and out), less stability. This is true @ AAP, GOOG, MS, FB, AMZ, NF... basically everywhere

Big Sur (with some issues) feels like it's reversing the trend... I think a breather needs to be taken and a reductionist, de-complexing, stability mentality needs to dominate the tech community (kind of like the way folks though when they were resource constrained).
That’s true for basically all software. People want more features, the competition is moving fast and commodity hardware doesn’t require super optimized code to run on slow CPUs with little RAM. Rewriting things from scratch anytime you want to add a feature is cost prohibitive and makes no business sense since you’ll be left way behind the competition when it takes you 2 years vs 6 months to implement stuff.
 
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I’m not going to join the nostalgia and say that the 00’s UI fashion trends were extremely garish - Mac OS X included.

Back then, the chrome was emphasised

Now it’s content that’s emphasised with the chrome taking a little bit of a back seat.

Not that we are in a great shape now, I hasten to add.

The vast fields of gleaming white chrome on ‘light mode’ apps and websites (instead of the more sensible platinum) will be seen in the same way as we now view brushed metal.
 
LOL. How is macOS a pig?

Swift, Metal, APFS. All 64 bit applications. Apple Silicon. Machine Learning. SF Symbols. Dark Mode.

Nope. macOS is pretty trim.

Windows, on the other hand, well...that's going not very well.

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And that...that's from their official UI guidelines.
Are you a marketing bot for Apple?

You're just namedropping high level features or system components that have been there for a good while. I don't have the time to go into detail about why macOS BS (really BS) is a pig, but here's a couple UI examples:

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A hodgepodge of new and old design language. The Finder "view options" are a past relic next to the touch-looking iOS-like control centre that can't be touched.


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Just look at this ridiculousness and how the dock is surrounded by the background. The lack of attention to detail here is beyond pig-ish.

And some extra on the functionality side:
- Kernel panics with each new release
- Broken support for 3rd party 4K displays with Big Sur (only HDMI seems to work now) (so much for "it just works")
- It takes more clicks to perform certain actions, like e.g. sidecar mirroring on/off
- Most of it looks/is exactly the same with added translucency and a few different icons here and there

Some of the updates are welcome, the widgets make more sense than the previous dashboard thing, but I really wish Apple took their time to fully refine the back end and polish a consistent design language than this endless beta program we seem to have been stuck in.

PS. I hate having 64-bit only applications because I cannot run old applications and games anymore.
 
Game changer.

I remember the first time I ever used a Mac. It was during a journalism conference for college students and I didn't have a computer during a Photoshop workshop. Had been looking at HP for a long time though. The instructor saw I was just taking notes and told me to sit by his PowerBook G4.

Found MacRumors a few months later.
 
Tiger to Snow Leopard, was the best period for me. Could easily run on machines that were 10 years old. The UI design was pretty consistant throughout. None of the added bloat that is sadly present in recent releases.

Would be great if during installation you could really customise the process and have the option to remove all gimmicks and fluff. Taking it back to be a fast and speedy system that actually aids productivity.
i was running my MacBook air on snow leopard last week and the OSX was still fast and responsive, even with a mini display port connected to a samsung 32" hdmi TV! i watched a movie without any fan noise or interruptions.
 
I had a roommate with a PowerMac G4 and we setup the OS X Beta dual boot. The big thing was WILL IT RUN PHOTOSHOP and there was some Photoshop beta out too if I rememeber right. It was real rough, but I was a believer! Can't believe the growth... from the original iMac to WiFi to OS X to iPod to iPhone to Intel Macs in under a decade. It was a spectacle to behold, and Mr. Jobs told the story on stage every 3-6 months!

i too had a G4 Quicksilver to run this hot jazz software. Such an easy learning curve n wow I learned a lot in 3mths of cheetah. Good times.
 
Are you a marketing bot for Apple?

You're just namedropping high level features or system components that have been there for a good while. I don't have the time to go into detail about why macOS BS (really BS) is a pig, but here's a couple UI examples:

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A hodgepodge of new and old design language. The Finder "view options" are a past relic next to the touch-looking iOS-like control centre that can't be touched.


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Just look at this ridiculousness and how the dock is surrounded by the background. The lack of attention to detail here is beyond pig-ish.

And some extra on the functionality side:
- Kernel panics with each new release
- Broken support for 3rd party 4K displays with Big Sur (only HDMI seems to work now) (so much for "it just works")
- It takes more clicks to perform certain actions, like e.g. sidecar mirroring on/off
- Most of it looks/is exactly the same with added translucency and a few different icons here and there

Some of the updates are welcome, the widgets make more sense than the previous dashboard thing, but I really wish Apple took their time to fully refine the back end and polish a consistent design language than this endless beta program we seem to have been stuck in.

PS. I hate having 64-bit only applications because I cannot run old applications and games anymore.

There is no problem with that dock. What is the problem? "Beyond piggish" The translucent panel of pixels is too much for you?

The control center looks great and works great too. It's not meant to match normal panels. It matches the dock and the menu bar and the notification center components. Are you suggesting you want control center to look exactly like a preferences pane? I don't get it.

As for your other issues, I've had zero problems with.

Maybe you're just too picky. Like I said, you can use Windows or Linux if you hate the size of the dock. Then you'll see actual inconsistency.
 
Are you a marketing bot for Apple?

You're just namedropping high level features or system components that have been there for a good while. I don't have the time to go into detail about why macOS BS (really BS) is a pig, but here's a couple UI examples:

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A hodgepodge of new and old design language. The Finder "view options" are a past relic next to the touch-looking iOS-like control centre that can't be touched.


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Just look at this ridiculousness and how the dock is surrounded by the background. The lack of attention to detail here is beyond pig-ish.
Yes, absolutely looks like a pig! It looks like BS!
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I'm sorry mate. You might have some issues with it, but to call it what you call it based on that is just ridiculous.
 
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Back then, the chrome was emphasised

Back then the "chrome" was used to distinguish interactive elements from content, and help visually separate windows/toolbars etc. There was purpose to it.

Unfortunately, that was followed by a flush of really bad skeuomorphic designs, particularly on iOS - although the tacky faux leather and green beize wasn't the problem (having different designs/colour schemes to distinguish apps is a good thing), the problem was that function didn't follow form: e.g. the iOS Contacts app looked like a leather-bound address book but it didn't really work like one - ISTR the index and entry panes looked like facing pages but worked like independently scrolling windows...

I think this caused a backlash against skeuomorphic design in general, and the baby got thrown out with the bathwater. Now we are stuck with the horrible, flat, low-contrast, mystery-meat "guess where the buttons are" school of design that completely misses the original point.
 
Man, I remember when OS X first came out. I bought an iBook when released and it had OS X and Mac OS 9 installed. I loved it and loved Aqua UI so much. OS X 10.0 didn't even have a dvd player, so you had to boot into OS 9 to watch one. I remember when 10.1 came out you had to go to an electronic shop to get the free update on CD. Also just brush metal lol. That was a crazy UI. Back then this forum was so much fun and helpful. The first couple of updates 10.2-10,5 were so much fun because they were actually adding so much stuff each time. I remember they would always say something like 120 new features on each release and on steves keynote. Plus back then if you ever ran into a problem with the OS messing up, all you had to do was go to disk utility and repair all permissions and your mac was "magically" fixed, lol.
 
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I remember getting my hands on the OS X beta and was so impressed. I miss some of the colorful UI items that have long disappeared.

Quite a change and in all honesty, a great step up to what we've been using before.
 
Got on board with Panther & my first mac, an eMac G4. Coming from XP and its never ending security problems and refusal to stay configured the way I wanted it beyond the next Windows Update, OSX was the “like giving a glass of ice water to somebody in hell".


Lost count of how many times I must have watched this promo piece before marching down to PC World (UK’s equivalent of Best Buy at the time), asking for the eMac G4 and the black, boxed copy of OSX Panther on the shelf.

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18 years later and I’m still in with the Mac/iOS/iPadOS eco-system with no desire or inclination to leave.

Happy Birthday OSX! I still loves ya.
I loved my eMac! I wanted a lamp style iMac so bad but couldnt afford one but bought an eMac for a lot cheaper and with better specs
 
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I never found the UI to be all that much different than OS8 or 9. Sure there were a few new things - the most obvious being the dock - but a lot of its easy adoption was due to that they didn't change it up too much, mostly aesthetics and style. For the most part it's still the same with the exception of many under the hood new features. The best thing of all for me was including Terminal, which was a life-saver in the early days.

One of the more exciting times of new technology that rarely come around now.
 
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I remember getting it for free at a local shop called Mac Center. I went to buy it but they were giving it away along with a t-shirt of the ‘X’ logo. There weren’t any Apple Stores yet so I figured it was an apple promotion.
 
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