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The thing about not opting for "conventional" medical treatment is: nobody knows what would have happened.

Andy Warhol died during a gall-bladder operation that was as standard and run-off-the-mill as you could get even back then.

Mistakes still do happen - and sometimes, if the patient is "VIP", the people standing around the operating-table do get a bit nervous. There's a reason medicine even has a name for this: VIP syndrome. It doesn't come from nothing.

Apple was ready for a transition when he stepped down. I think we can all be glad for him that he didn't have to live through current times. He died relatively young, as a legend, leaving behind an empire and a legacy. Not many people were able to achieve this.
 
reinforced had nothing to do with his belief it never rally faltered

Nice guess with 0 proof.

, especially taken into account Forstall telling ofJobs help of his near death experience.

That was what I was quoting. After Forstall's life was saved, it makes people wonder if it increased Steve's belief in alternative medicine.

makes you wonder - again not relevant since Jobs always had this belief. I read your post correctly.

I never said he didn't believe it. I suggested it was possible his belief in alternative medicine was stronger after Forstall was saved. Again, you completely failed to understand what was stated.

I believe you're refusing to admit wrong which is wasting time for the both of us, so I'm going to stop conversing with you here. Have a nice day.
 
I remember, I was at a conference going to the dining area and everyone staring at the TV and talking about it like something big happened. Then I saw the news on the TV myself with big eyes and shock.
 
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I remember sitting down at my iMac to work for a while. I saw the huge black-and-white image on the Apple home page and I knew it...such a strong feeling. You can never replace someone like that, and trying to would be a disaster. I wish he was still making those keynotes!
 
It was so surreal to find myself out there just immediately after he had died. I got the news actually, as I was leaving home. I had some stuff to do when I got there, so it was a few days until I was able to get to The Loop. By that time, there was already quite a collection of things people had left to honor and remember him by. Computers, notebooks, iPods, posters pictures, all kinds of things, plus flowers, and food, etc.

It was quite a moving sight to see all of that laying around. I couldn't believe that he was already gone. I had just missed him at Kona Village too, but there was probably no way that I'd have ever gotten to meet him there, but I surely understood his love of that place. The night was full of chirping and croaking and the days were full of long walks and sitting and contemplating life, the universe, and everything. (I had heard he and his entourage had left a couple hours before we arrived. We arrived late due to the massive storms to the west over Honolulu. The place was a total mind blow. The food was amazing, the service was A+. All to be wiped out by a tsunami eventually, and never rebuilt. So sad.

What could have been. I wonder if he'd still be alive if he had aggressively treated his CA. Apple's future sure took a fork in the road. Good or bad, we're all still here. I wonder if he would have been so politically involved. *shrug* Sad day...
 
I remember, I was at a conference going to the dining area and everyone staring at the TV and talking about it like something big happened. Then I saw the news on the TV myself with big eyes and shock.

People will remember where they were, well, *some* people will remember where they were.

I still remember where I was when the Challenger blew up. I remember the smells and the incredible reaction to the video on the TV. I remember seeing that silhouette someone did of his head, and getting emotional. Some people laughed at me. I thought it was an end of the innocence of Apple. No one would run Apple the same way again, for good or bad...
 
After commenting, my mind popped up another famous person whose demise really effected the world, and I remember where I was when it was announced. Lady Diana Spencer. The wife was getting ready to go in for a third shift. I had turned on the box, and they were talking about the usual stuff, when all of a sudden the 'BREAKING NEWS' alert came on. The wife said, mockingly, 'Crap, now what!'. Then the word came through that she was dead. Yikes... So damn tragic... Jobs' death wasn't quite that hard, but it was surely a sad day.

😔

And another freaky thing about this incident. I found an old original DEC notebook. I mean, this thing was OLD. But the battery still charged up, and it ran. So I fire it up, and see a 'compatibility checker' program. Curious, I invoked it, and it offered to pair the user up with 'famous people'. Hah! Who would this pair me up with I wondered.

I took their test, and the answer was: Lady Diana Spenser. I was floored. What a freak... What could have been...
 
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Imagine him throwing the shade at Epic Games with this whole Fortnite fiasco. It would be greatness. Steve rarely bowed the knee.
 
I worked for Apple at the time and still remember finding out via email that day and was shocked. Literally felt empty. Glad to have been a part of that company during his time. And glad he came back in the late 90s as that started my interest in Apple and I’ve been using their products ever since. A true visionary!
 
I see the current version of Apple as being quite plastic and phony as compared to Apple several years ago, the pre-Tim Cook era. Yes, Tim has steered the Apple Ship in a direction of high profits and popularity among those who really do not know of the Jobs era of Apple. Cook has brought a plethora of new politically correct emojis and an even greater unneccessary push of political and social engineering. Apple is and should always be a TECHNOLOGY company and its products should be innovative, inspiring and "insanely" well designed. The loss of Steve Jobs and those around him, such as Jony Ive, has made Apple into a MARKETING Powerhouse pushing products based upon their social status ranking and bragging rights instead of their uniqueness and technological advances that are truly meaningful for the end users. And sadly, Apple has become quite Microsoft-Like with its endless tech failures and bug fixes utilizing its users as guinea pigs. I am still an Apple FanBoy, but the Apple just does not have its once famous luster and reputation anymore. It is all about the profits, which any company strives for. But the true innovation, enthusiasm, and inspiration died about nine years ago. Rest In Peace, Steve Jobs.

You have to be around my age because those around in the early days can see quite vividly how the company has transitioned. It's a little sad for me because I felt like I was part of the company back then. The highly commercialized rendition of today doesn't have that same visceral feel.

You are so right about how they currently approach new products, services, or the acquisition of ideas. Like you, I'm in deep with everything, so I'm not likely to switch camps. In fact, I was an IT guy for a local school district where I managed 450+ iMacs on a backbone. Even so, if the Pixel 5 were available today, I would pick one up on a two-week test flight.
 
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And the gradual demise of Apple's creative, innovative, perfectionist brilliance. Steve Jobs WAS Apple. He was a creative genius, a true visionary, and Apple's alleged deep bench hasn't come even close to replacing his ideas and obsession with great design. They created an empire out of superficially riding on Steve's coattails for almost a decade now.

Jobs was unique, no doubt. He was also wrong on so many occasions. He was brilliant yet flawed. Apple is still Apple. It’s not fair to the hundreds of thousands of talented and hardworking people to say something like this. It’s dismissive. They are working to make the products we love today and vast majority of them are passionate and bright. Apple has never been stronger and we have them to thank.
 
He had pancreatic cancer. His chance of beating it was around 5%. Might as well try some alternative medicine....

Didnt he have a rare and highly treatable form of pancreatic cancer that responds well to typical cancer treatments?
 
StEvE iS rOlLiNg In HiS gRaVe at how Apple doesnt innovate anymore
Since Apple seems to be quite an entertainment giant these days, maybe it would be a good idea to break the company into two parts. One part would concentrate on its entertainment ventures and develop them to suit that consumer demand and craving. The other part would concentrate solely on technology, innovation, invention, and stability and reliability. It would still be Apple, but with two distinct approaches to their respective parts of the puzzle. Individually each of the two Apple Companies would have a distinct role that would not be overly influenced by the other. Apple Entertainment and Apple Technology, two parts of the "Apple Pie".
 
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The passing of Steve Jobs is one of those moments where you remember where you were, what you were doing, when the news came through. Much like John Lennon. 9 years on and we still miss you. On the 10th Anniversary, I'm sure I'll shed a tear.
 
Quite the visionary of our time. Not only did he make Apple products better by improving the customer experience he also made competitors better by forcing them to deliver at a new standard on their own products. He truly knew how to brand Apple the way only Steve could do... I feel as a contributor to technology he made technology intuitively easy to use and also made other manufactures feel that it was necessary to raise the bar if they wanted to complete with apple, thus driving innovation overall (whether he planned that to happen or not). In other words he pushed others to be better and to do greater things.
 
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Jobs was unique, no doubt. He was also wrong on so many occasions. He was brilliant yet flawed. Apple is still Apple. It’s not fair to the hundreds of thousands of talented and hardworking people to say something like this. It’s dismissive. They are working to make the products we love today and vast majority of them are passionate and bright. Apple has never been stronger and we have them to thank.

Apples product line up today is reminiscent of the products just before they nearly went bust. There are way to many variations of the same product and the pricing is getting out of control.

Of course there is no chance of them going bust with the amount of cash they have in the bank. But that big cash pile was thanks to Steve’s Jobs. Tim has built on it, yes, but he has done so riding Steve’s legacy of products.

Take the iMac for example. That product is so stale now. They could have at least ended the iMac Pro line now that the Mac Pro is out and turned it into the standard iMac with the better cooling design.
 
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They could have at least ended the iMac Pro line now that the Mac Pro is out and turned it into the standard iMac with the better cooling design.

My guess is the iMac Pro is a one-off, and they'll unify that once the iMac moves to ARM.

But also, yeah, the iMac design is really just several refinements of the 2005 iMac G5 design (replacing white plastic with aluminum, adding glass to the screen, adding Retina, decreasing the bezels and thickness, removing the optical drive, etc.), but I'm not sure there's a pressing need for a new design there. It's simply the new dependable mid-range desktop.

If anything, the last major rev that reduced the thickness was a misfire. It caused several unforced errors like making the RAM harder to replace, and making thermals worse. It's nice that they have the better cooling system in the iMac Pro, but is it really necessary? They could've simply left it a little thicker. Who looks at the side of a desktop display?
 
The reason Jobs was special was that he cared for the product and not the money. A story says that when he came back to Apple he wanted the iMac to have translucent plastic cover, they told him it was going to make it that much more expensive, he said do it. Compare to Cook who wants to through away chargers sold with iphones.

He really sought the best experience for the customer, and to make technology a useful tool for the average person instead of something they struggle against. Compare that to beancounters who are scratching their heads thinking "Now how can we squeeze another $5-10 from each customer to increase our revenues next year?"
 
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