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Today was a very sad day...

Your absolutly right virividox, my dad does have the final call. I know he can decide not to get it for me at any time. But he told me when he gets home from work today, we can place the order. So he does understand my purpose for getting such a powerfull and expensive machine.

I don't think i made myself clear before when i said my dad made a p4. He made a desktop, not a laptop. Another reason for why i told him i need this laptop for school. I don't want a huge desktop in my tiny dorm room. Also, not to mention the fact that I hate windows.
 
It doesn't look as if you're going to but just incase...

Don't buy the RAM from Apple, goto Crucial.com or similar and save your dad some cash.

AppleMatt
 
Of course you don't need a 1.5ghz laptop for school. That's nuts, all you're going to do for school is word processing, excel, some browsing, etc. All of the rest of the stuff you want to do (games, garage band, etc) is what requires the power. Honestly, a used iBook with a RAM upgrade would be fine for you. You could probably get that for $1100.

Your dad knows that too, and he's torn between giving you want you want and making you happy, and teaching you a lesson about the value of a dollar. You'll probably get what you want, and ultimately be the poorer for it.

And of course your dad hates video games. He's going to spend $50k on your college educaiton over the next four years. He wants you studying, not playing games and wasting this opportunity. Leave your Xbox at home, and play games during the summer.

Jeez, kids today.
 
I am leaving my xbox at home. If i brought it with me, forget it, i would be on it non stop. I have less of a chance of playing games on a mac, because i won't have a lot of money to buy them with and i really won't have a whole lot of extra time. I might just get the 1.33 and do a few upgrades, it would save him $200. Then i could get it with the stock 256 then buy another 256 from crucial. Save more money that way. Well thanks for all your input and advice.
 
JzzTrump22 said:
I am leaving my xbox at home. If i brought it with me, forget it, i would be on it non stop. I have less of a chance of playing games on a mac, because i won't have a lot of money to buy them with and i really won't have a whole lot of extra time. I might just get the 1.33 and do a few upgrades, it would save him $200. Then i could get it with the stock 256 then buy another 256 from crucial. Save more money that way. Well thanks for all your input and advice.
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Don't mind all the jealous people here. Normally people at MacRumors are nice and help each other. Even so it seems not to be true for everyone.

Think about what you really need and I guess the 1.33 MHz would really fit your needs. Have you seen or read some reviews already ? My guess is that the 1.33 is not really slower because of the L3 cache.

Upgrading the HD and Video makes sense because its not a lot of money and worth it.
 
cr2sh said:
The very fact that you're lying to your Dad makes you sound so childish and repugnant.

If your Dad builds you a p4, be happy. If you want a powerbook (or a g5) get a job. Quit expecting to be handed something just because you want it.
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AMEN to the tenth power.
Sheesh - with attitudes like this kid, he should buy a PC and take lessons from the spoiled brats who run M$ Corp.
 
I have an idea that might help out. Work/earn the difference in price for the upgrades you want. If you work all summer for the "extras" you want you will not only get them, but there will most likely be a student sale going on when you do order at the end of the summer (last year they knocked $200 off an iPod with a laptop order). This makes Dad happy because he can still gift you the computer at HIS chosen price and it makes you happy because you get what you want.

As for the whole selfish child bit, I will admit, your post made me cringe a bit when I first read it. HOWEVER, I know likewise, that when I do have kids and when they go off to college I will want to give them nice computers/what ever the technology is at the time (considering I just in graduate school right now). Sure, when I went to school, Dad could not afford a computer (I was computerless for months untill I earned one), could not afford nice stuff for my dorm room, and could not afford college period. I arrived sans computer, in goodwill sweaters, carrying hefty student loans on my back. So be it. Do I want my kids to have the same? NO! Do I still hope that I can give them nice things and still have them respect a buck? Sure.

Still, this whole issue is not worth getting everyone's panties in a bunch. Yes, the first poster is very fortunate to be getting a computer. He is very fortunate to be getting a Mac. But nobody here knows him and knows what else his parents might have denied him (I had a friend who went to school with a laptop but her parents told her she would never get a car bought by them). Its not like he is saying, after Dad and I went to the apple store and picked me up a G5 and flat pannel 23" monitor to go with my iMac at home I was pissed he did not get me that Powerbook 17" because it is better than my iBook G4. And I'm really pissed he refused to get me a new iPod just for my BMW.
 
musicpyrite said:
Age has nothing to do with how a powerful computer you need. According to you, only people 50 and over deserve to get a G5, and people under 21 deserve to get an eMac.
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Hmm that is so wrong.

I got this G5 for my 17th Birthday!

I'd buy one for a two year old if i was rich :p
 
As a parent...

...I am surprised at the stand I am about to take.

I am a parent of a soon to be in college teen, so I can appreciate the point of view of both sides of the fence, vocalized on this list.

I want to offer everyone a couple of things to think about...

1. This powerbook seems to be a bit much on power now, but how will it rank in 4 years when he graduates? Will it still be overpowered? If Dad got him a bottom of the barrel iBook, or a P4, will it be usable in 4 years? Remember, Longhorn will **need** a 4-6 GHz proc and 2 GB of memory.

I guess the question is... How many Px Machines will dad buy before son graduates? There is a reason why even secretaries at large companies get real meaty machines when they are replaced. It is due to the fact that machines are expected to last several years, and maintain usability during that time.


2. ( And maybe the real reason... ) I do not believe in giving my children everything they want. I am a firm believer in teaching them to work for their toys, and other things. It has worked so far, and my children seem to actually be a bit happier knowing that they worked for what they have. On the other hand, I have no problems investing in their education, as I know that this is something that has a great return.

This laptop is a graduation gift / college tool. I do not see it as a toy in any way. If the boy was working at burger King and happy to have his career end there... Well, that is a whole other story.

I hope that this adds something to this conversation. Good luck.

Max.
 
tristan said:
Of course you don't need a 1.5ghz laptop for school. That's nuts, all you're going to do for school is word processing, excel, some browsing, etc. All of the rest of the stuff you want to do (games, garage band, etc) is what requires the power. Honestly, a used iBook with a RAM upgrade would be fine for you. You could probably get that for $1100.

Your dad knows that too, and he's torn between giving you want you want and making you happy, and teaching you a lesson about the value of a dollar. You'll probably get what you want, and ultimately be the poorer for it.

And of course your dad hates video games. He's going to spend $50k on your college educaiton over the next four years. He wants you studying, not playing games and wasting this opportunity. Leave your Xbox at home, and play games during the summer.

Jeez, kids today.
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Couldn't agree MORE with this one! Honestly, I actually needed this G5 for my hobby/semi job (webdesigning and Welian Mac (link in signiture). A website can be done on a G3, but I chose the G5 because I do a lot of photoshop work for images which go on sites I design for people, that and a new section of WelianMac (coming soon ... ). I also do play games, and I am allowed :p, I do word process, etc, which all could be done amazingly on a G3 or G4 (even better!). However, what swung it for me was the intensive stuff I do on this computer.

I also got a nice 17" Sharp LCD with digital inputs! It was pricey, and it would seem I was screwing my parents out of every penny, just because it was my birthday! But... it is so good! Amazing quality, big, bright, sharp, quick refresh, perfect for DVDs and games! Excessive? Maybe.

Oh, and btw... i paid for it! every penny :p so I'm allowed it.

If truth be told, you only really want the 1.5 because its the fastest thing out, and good graphics card, and your compromising (fooling yourself) into thinking that removing the SuperDrive is an honest thing. This is not a reason to buy a computer! Get an iBook!
 
Squire said:
Age has nothing to do with how powerful a computer you want. Notice that I bolded "need" above. People often need a computer for work...to get money...to support their family. And, because work can only begin at a certain legal age (What is it? Sixteen?), significantly fewer young people need a really powerful computer.

So, age is often related to how powerful a computer someone needs.
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Not necessarily, do you think there are any graphic arts people in college? Thoes are the kind of people who need power.

But I agree that significantly fewer young people need a suped-up computer for work. (not games) But there are some young people who need it.

I don't know if you meant that you don't need a powerful computer to do normal student stuff, (email, chat, music, word processing) but you could get by with a G3 iMac.
 
I can't believe how many posts i got on this topic.

I offered to put like $500 into the laptop, but my dad refused. He wants each and every dollar to come from his pocket. He wants it that way because i deserve it. I worked by can off all through high school and now he is giving me a reward. I'm not getting a car for college. I'm not trying to seem like a little spoiled brat. Because i'm not. I don't understand why people are getting so worked up because my father wants to do something nice for me. I wish he would let me pay for some of it, but he doesn't want me to. He wants my money to go towards paying for school supplies like books and other crap that i need for school.
 
SpaceMagic said:
Hmm that is so wrong.

I got this G5 for my 17th Birthday!

I'd buy one for a two year old if i was rich :p
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I was being sarcastic. ;)

Damn, a G5 for your 17th birthday? I'll be luckey to get $200 on my birthday. :(
 
I hate when people try to convince others that they are wrong and childish and immature. If you can't keep your mouths shut and let JzzTrump22 try to get his PowerBook for high school graduation, then you yourselves are immature--why insult him? What do you get out of calling him "childish and repugnant"? His father agreed to go down to the Apple Store and purchase a computer, and JzzTrump22 probably could have gotten away with the stock computer at $2299. With the upgrades (and downgrade to the Combo Drive), the computer turns out to be less than it was at the stock price.

So what if it costs $2200? Just because you weren't given a computer or present like that when you graduated high school does not mean he shouldn't. That is not a spoiled present either--he plans on using it for 6 years. That comes out to be about a dollar a day. Is that really to much to ask?

I personally think that a computer should not necessarily be a graduation present (unless it is ridiculously overpriced). It should be thought of as a surcharge for attending college--to ensure that he will enjoy working.

Is it really that big of a crime to send your child out to college with a computer they want and configured? To all the people who have been insulting JzzTrump22: why? You gain nothing out of it, and I doubt all of your insults have made him change his mind at all--he will get his PowerBook and will be happy with it. If you think he is being spoiled, you are most likely jealous. If you think he is being greedy--he isn't. His computer is cheaper than the stock 1.5 GHz. You can't argue that. He is trying to save his dad from wasting money on a SuperDrive that he will never use.
 
JzzTrump22 said:
I can't believe how many posts i got on this topic.

I offered to put like $500 into the laptop, but my dad refused. He wants each and every dollar to come from his pocket. He wants it that way because i deserve it. I worked by can off all through high school and now he is giving me a reward. I'm not getting a car for college. I'm not trying to seem like a little spoiled brat. Because i'm not. I don't understand why people are getting so worked up because my father wants to do something nice for me. I wish he would let me pay for some of it, but he doesn't want me to. He wants my money to go towards paying for school supplies like books and other crap that i need for school.
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Totally agree. Serously people, quit being so close minded, and jelous.

His father wants to do something nice for him. Get the F*** over it!

You know what, I'm gonna start a thread about how my father bought me an ice cream cone, and see how many people b*tch and moan about that.

JzzTrump22, congrads on the PowerBook, but remember, money goes real fast in college. Save as much as you can. :)
 
Im amazed at the comments by some of the older users here, face it already! just because you didn't have these things when you were younger doesn't mean we shouldn't. Age and computer power? Anyone got a chart where these two factors link or are we just talking **** here?

Anyway before anyone paints me with the same brush, i saved for three years and have just decided to get te 12" IBook. FYI Kids today do know the value of a dollar; of course there are exceptions! We just have more than you did at our age ;).

Things today are much more complicated than when you where kids, and getting more so, no one ever mentions that!

Also worth noting that to want is "human" nature, and i for one am not ashamed of my desire for things; and there is a very fine line between "need" and "want" anyway, if you think about it, nearly everyone that has a PowerBook right now could get by with the 800Ghz IBook.

Time to get with the times guys :rolleyes:. Enjoy the PowerBook dude and good luck with college!

Later,

Mark.
 
I have to say I am pretty blown away at this thread also. People seem to jump to quick conclusions. Is he lucky to be getting a powerbook for graduation, you bet. Is it an overpowered machine, no! The thought of getting an Ibook is crazy, esspecially if he really plans on utilizing it with his music major as much as he says. The powerbook is a wonderful tool, and has a long life span. It is college and we arne't talking about some side notebook here, this is going to be his "desktop replacement", it needs to be fast and responsive.

Congrats on graduating, I hope you enjoy your powerbook, they are expensive but nice. Perhaps you can be the one to purchase apple care and software for it. This might help to equal out some of the cost.
 
MrSugar said:
congrats on graduating, I hope you enjoy your powerbook, they are expensive but nice. Perhaps you can be the one to purchase apple care and software for it. This might help to equal out some of the cost.
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Funny thing is that often the software will set you back more than the machine i.e. as mentioned im getting an Ibook (BTO and upgreaded HD) for £725 and want to get Adobe CS for it at some point, thats like £1,115. Then add the price of Studio MX to that and its more than double the cost of the upgraded Ibook lol.

Freakin,

Mark.
 
Congrats for your graduation, it's all what matters in the end. And lucky you for the present ... though I cant complain, I used to have my dad's compaq portable back in '95 and then IBM portable. I have to say it was very usefull (and pretty uncommon by then). He didnt offered it to me, he just wasnt interested in using it for anything else than Solitaire and at this game, university wins all the time.

... However ...

I'm now 30, earning good money and I bought my first mac 6 months ago (full option iMac 17) for +/- 2500 EUR as a gift to celebrate the birth of my first son (second is on its way ... I will allow myself an iBook this time).

I have been really shocked when I went to the store, described what I wanted and the sales guy asked if I was a student ... no way I could have ever spend so much money on a computer when I was a student (without my father I would simply have gone to the computer room). With that kind of money I would have bought a car, gone on holidays around the world, ...
 
Congrats on the kids mate :D. The Ibook is amazing value for money, but id go with the 12" if i was you.
 
netytan said:
Congrats on the kids mate :D. The Ibook is amazing value for money, but id go with the 12" if i was you.
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I know but I try not to think about it. I can hardly justify the iBook as we already have the iMac + my wife and I both have a Dell laptop from work (but I hate it so much !!!)

By the way, my wife is probably the best proof it is so easy to switch: she doesnt care about computers at all, doesnt know so much about them but she's so happy with the iMac (iPhoto with all the pictures from our son and iTunes with all are CD's are terrific sellers) and never has any issue with it.
 
I say enjoy the powerbook. If you dad wants to get you one, then that is his choice. Just remember that when everyone else is goofing around and going out partying. Study hard and show your dad how responsible you are. Never take anything he does for granted, show him you truly appreciate it. I assume you must have shown him something for him to buy you such a bad a$$ laptop. :D
 
Thanks for all the help and support guys. Mabey i will show him this thread. He kows it's what i truly want and will need. So he really doesn't have a problem buying it for me. Plus when i come home for the summer, he'll be using it more than me. He's into recording too. He's mabey a little hesitant because he doesn't know mac, he's a pc guy. When he see's how mucha a mac can do compared to a pc, he'll probably look into buying a g5. That would be awsome if i converted my whole family to mac.
 
SpaceMagic said:
Couldn't agree MORE with this one! Honestly, I actually needed this G5 for my hobby/semi job (webdesigning and Welian Mac (link in signiture). A website can be done on a G3, but I chose the G5 because I do a lot of photoshop work for images which go on sites I design for people, that and a new section of WelianMac (coming soon ... ). I also do play games, and I am allowed :p, I do word process, etc, which all could be done amazingly on a G3 or G4 (even better!). However, what swung it for me was the intensive stuff I do on this computer.

Oh, and btw... i paid for it! every penny :p so i'm allowed it.

If truth be told, you only really want the 1.5 because its the fastest thing out, and good graphics card, and your compromising (fooling yourself) into thinking that removing the SuperDrive is an honest thing. This is not a reason to buy a computer! Get an iBook!
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You're the same kid who said you got your G5 for your birthday....and you also said you paid for it. what's with the discrepancies?
 
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