Yep. In fact, you can type in all the OS X supported languages out of the box by just going to the 'International' pane in System Preferences.
irmongoose
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Tokyo University Switches to Mac
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Yep. In fact, you can type in all the OS X supported languages out of the box by just going to the 'International' pane in System Preferences.
irmongoose
Anyway that has great impact here (for at least one of Japanese students)
It's true that they're going to replace Linux, but there has been at most 200 windows machines in Tokyo-U, according to the article. So virtually about 80% PCs there will be "switched" to Mac, which I think might be the biggest educational order ever for Apple Japan.
Though in Japan almost 100% PCs for commercial use are windows, some investigators say the shares of Mac for personal-use may give rise to some 10%. I'm Japanese and university student (not Tokyo-U), and I'm really surprised a lot of tutors are using iBook or PBG4. They say Macs are easy to handle, and I assume it's convenient for tutors or staffs in the university to change computers to Macs for educational use.
As many persons here says, Tokyo-U in Japan is equal to Harvard-U in U.S. or more, and they really have great influence on Japanese society(regardless it's good or not...), it becomes one of the most surprising news in Japan, I suppose. I come to be interested in the speculation of my university.
It's true that they're going to replace Linux, but there has been at most 200 windows machines in Tokyo-U, according to the article. So virtually about 80% PCs there will be "switched" to Mac, which I think might be the biggest educational order ever for Apple Japan.
Though in Japan almost 100% PCs for commercial use are windows, some investigators say the shares of Mac for personal-use may give rise to some 10%. I'm Japanese and university student (not Tokyo-U), and I'm really surprised a lot of tutors are using iBook or PBG4. They say Macs are easy to handle, and I assume it's convenient for tutors or staffs in the university to change computers to Macs for educational use.
As many persons here says, Tokyo-U in Japan is equal to Harvard-U in U.S. or more, and they really have great influence on Japanese society(regardless it's good or not...), it becomes one of the most surprising news in Japan, I suppose. I come to be interested in the speculation of my university.
Wow, replacing Windows is an accomplishment. Replacing the seemingly invincible Linux is a HUGE success.
Very impressed.
Dan
Very impressed.
Dan
Yes. It can do a ton of languages out of the box. Go to the "international" section of your system preferences. Under the "input menu" tab, just click on which languages you want to be able to type. If you have more than one, you can switch by using ctrl-space or by the the little input language button on the menu bar.
For a real kick, go to the "language" section and pick another language. Try going down to japanese or chinese for real fun. Now, exit an apple app like mail and relaunch it. It's all in the other language. Wow.
Seriously, wow. My wife is from Taiwan and she uses her mac in chinese mode. I know enough chinese to get around, but when she has a problem, I just switch languages and play around a bit then switch back. She used to use windows, but internationalization support is horrid there. She bought a laptop once and we had to get a friend in Taiwan to send a chinese version of the OS, which didn't work right because it didn't have all the right drivers for the laptop. UGLY.
It's still better than Linux. I love Linux as much as (if not more) than I love OS X. But, trying to work in other languages is hard. Displaying web pages is easy, but actually doing real work in another language is next to impossible. It's one rare case where Window's actually outshines linux.
But Apple wins, hands down.
Yes but you need a Japanese keyboard to take advantage of all the features. I assume being Apple it is designed for a 1 button mouse.
Rocketman
Other than being able to key kana directly, what features does a Japanese keyboard add?
I've been using U.S. English keyboards to key Japanese since the mid 1990s and learned on such back in the mid 1980s in Japan. Kotoeri is slower than direct kana input, but you can do it on any keyboard.
Japanese keyboards
Well, besides the "correct" placement of the control key, it also hones one's ability to search for " and @.
Actually, as far as I can tell, most of the younger generation (including everyone at work with me), prefers to type in romaji anyway, so the benefits of a Japanese keyboard are nullified. Apple even offers non-Japanese keyboards as BTO options on the powerbooks (or did, the last time I checked).
Well, besides the "correct" placement of the control key, it also hones one's ability to search for " and @.
Actually, as far as I can tell, most of the younger generation (including everyone at work with me), prefers to type in romaji anyway, so the benefits of a Japanese keyboard are nullified. Apple even offers non-Japanese keyboards as BTO options on the powerbooks (or did, the last time I checked).
iMac bound when it's a G5
I will wait until the iMac's go to the G5 processor. I am not impressed with the current iMac lineup. I'll stay put with my G4Cube until then..... Boy, when the iMac goes G5 regardless of processor speed, I'll be in line with credit card in hand.
Patiently waiting......
I will wait until the iMac's go to the G5 processor. I am not impressed with the current iMac lineup. I'll stay put with my G4Cube until then..... Boy, when the iMac goes G5 regardless of processor speed, I'll be in line with credit card in hand.
Patiently waiting......
Re: Japanese keyboards
Thank you! I feel much younger now.
As far as the placement of the Control key, correct is in the eye of the beholder. It's like contemplating the placement of the Graph key. I still think that there should be a Shift Lock key, but there are Caps Lock keys on most of the keyboards.
Originally posted by neier
Well, besides the "correct" placement of the control key, it also hones one's ability to search for " and @.
Actually, as far as I can tell, most of the younger generation (including everyone at work with me), prefers to type in romaji anyway, so the benefits of a Japanese keyboard are nullified. Apple even offers non-Japanese keyboards as BTO options on the powerbooks (or did, the last time I checked).
Thank you! I feel much younger now.
As far as the placement of the Control key, correct is in the eye of the beholder. It's like contemplating the placement of the Graph key. I still think that there should be a Shift Lock key, but there are Caps Lock keys on most of the keyboards.
Too late for me..
I used to go to the University of Tokyo (NOT Tokyo University), and I would have loved for them to have gone all Mac when I was there. I've used the computers they are replacing and they were A PAIN IN THE ASS.
I don't know the details but, it was some sort of unix (or linux, from whats written here), and you could open up a window that led to Windows NT. Really slow, and REALLY UNRELIABLE. I've lost more than a few hours of work when the stupid thing would just decide to close my Word window at random.
Students use the same terminals for normal word processing and browsing, and they teach programming in a unix environment so i don't think dumping what they have now to go to Windows was ever an option. OS X seems to have everything they need.
In Japan in general, Macs are pretty common. Walking around Tokyo, I saw about 3 macs for every 5 wintel notebooks. If you go to the Virgin Records in Shinjuku, the internet cafe on the 4th (maybe 3rd) floor is full of ibooks and imacs. Japanese people are generally into what looks cool, so Macs are pretty popular. (I think Sony notebooks are the most popular though)
I used to go to the University of Tokyo (NOT Tokyo University), and I would have loved for them to have gone all Mac when I was there. I've used the computers they are replacing and they were A PAIN IN THE ASS.
I don't know the details but, it was some sort of unix (or linux, from whats written here), and you could open up a window that led to Windows NT. Really slow, and REALLY UNRELIABLE. I've lost more than a few hours of work when the stupid thing would just decide to close my Word window at random.
Students use the same terminals for normal word processing and browsing, and they teach programming in a unix environment so i don't think dumping what they have now to go to Windows was ever an option. OS X seems to have everything they need.
In Japan in general, Macs are pretty common. Walking around Tokyo, I saw about 3 macs for every 5 wintel notebooks. If you go to the Virgin Records in Shinjuku, the internet cafe on the 4th (maybe 3rd) floor is full of ibooks and imacs. Japanese people are generally into what looks cool, so Macs are pretty popular. (I think Sony notebooks are the most popular though)
Re: Re: Too late for me..
I think "apelet" is saying that the official English name of the university in question is "The University of Tokyo" as opposed to "Tokyo University." However trivial this is, I believe he/she is actually correct. I found a website for "The University of Tokyo" (http://www.u-tokyo.ac.jp/eng/index.html) but I could not seem to locate a site for "Tokyo University."
Cool story nonetheless.
Squire
I think "apelet" is saying that the official English name of the university in question is "The University of Tokyo" as opposed to "Tokyo University." However trivial this is, I believe he/she is actually correct. I found a website for "The University of Tokyo" (http://www.u-tokyo.ac.jp/eng/index.html) but I could not seem to locate a site for "Tokyo University."
Cool story nonetheless.
Squire
Macs & Japan
Tokyo University? Is that the same as Waseda? I know some people studying there...
I, however, am studying at a slightly smaller school (Kansai Gaidai) in Hirakata, between Osaka and Kyoto. Unfortunately, their man student lab and language labs consist entirely of ugly old PCs, mainly Fujitsu computers without headphones in the front.
But today I did use a QuickSilver (about the only one they have here!) which was a pleasant experience. Pre-Jaguar though :-\
No surprise about the easy conversation from Linux to Mac. People just need to see the Windows to Linux/Mac connection. You'd think with all these viruses people would be thinking about it just a little bit more...
Tokyo University? Is that the same as Waseda? I know some people studying there...
I, however, am studying at a slightly smaller school (Kansai Gaidai) in Hirakata, between Osaka and Kyoto. Unfortunately, their man student lab and language labs consist entirely of ugly old PCs, mainly Fujitsu computers without headphones in the front.
But today I did use a QuickSilver (about the only one they have here!) which was a pleasant experience. Pre-Jaguar though :-\
No surprise about the easy conversation from Linux to Mac. People just need to see the Windows to Linux/Mac connection. You'd think with all these viruses people would be thinking about it just a little bit more...
Re: Macs & Japan
Tokyo Daigaku and Waseda Daigaku are definltely separate entities. I've known about 50 students from Waseda Daigaku and even they are impressed with students who make it into Tokyo Daigaku.
Waseda has made a lot of interesting scientific breakthroughs such as the robot that could play music keyboards by reading sheet music.
Tokyo Daigaku and Waseda Daigaku are definltely separate entities. I've known about 50 students from Waseda Daigaku and even they are impressed with students who make it into Tokyo Daigaku.
Waseda has made a lot of interesting scientific breakthroughs such as the robot that could play music keyboards by reading sheet music.
Sherlock Translation as provided by SYSTRAN:
It changes to Tokyo University sharing PC and Mac, from March of next year
The University of Tokyo, with the shared personal computer which all the student approximately 30000 people and the school personnel of the graduate school and department use inside the university, desktop type "iMac of the apple computer (eye Mac)" introduces from March of next year. The present shared machine, being gratuitous, the basic software which is open (OS) is the simple personal computer which designates "Linux" as the base, but the fact that update period of 5 years is entered making the most of it changes to Mac. Presently you can use also OS most major Microsoft Windows in
principle, but after the March of the next year, Microsoft Windows becomes unable to use at large portion of the shared personal computer excluding the high functional personal computer of part.
Tokyo University, Komaba 1st and puts in place the shared personal computer approximately 1400 units, on the campus of 3 places of Hongo and Kashiwa the information interchange network system (LAN) with ties.
The NEC affiliated company on the 24th, bids successfully with general competitive bidding of shared personal computer system payment, approximately 1150 units become Mac, the server of the basic computer which controls the system large portion becomes the apple make.
As for the remaining approximately 200 units, it becomes the personal computer which can use also the high functional personal computer and Microsoft Windows data processing 3 dimensions and the like.
As for the students with the ID password, you can use the shared personal computer freely. At the Komaba 1st campus, using the shared personal computer, 1st grade everyone (approximately 3500 people) it does the class of the required course "information processing" which used the computer with the information education ridge. It is used in report creation and mail perusal other than teaching.
At Tokyo University "there is an advantage introduction of the various software of being easy to do in comparison with Microsoft Windows, trouble occurring, being easy to correct by your,", that it has explained concerning the reason which introduces Mac.
The Japanese corporate body of the apple computer advanced the market development for the education system which has the result in the United States, but "incoming order of the scale which exceeds personal computer 1000 has done for the first time".
(09/25 05:57)
It changes to Tokyo University sharing PC and Mac, from March of next year
The University of Tokyo, with the shared personal computer which all the student approximately 30000 people and the school personnel of the graduate school and department use inside the university, desktop type "iMac of the apple computer (eye Mac)" introduces from March of next year. The present shared machine, being gratuitous, the basic software which is open (OS) is the simple personal computer which designates "Linux" as the base, but the fact that update period of 5 years is entered making the most of it changes to Mac. Presently you can use also OS most major Microsoft Windows in
principle, but after the March of the next year, Microsoft Windows becomes unable to use at large portion of the shared personal computer excluding the high functional personal computer of part.
Tokyo University, Komaba 1st and puts in place the shared personal computer approximately 1400 units, on the campus of 3 places of Hongo and Kashiwa the information interchange network system (LAN) with ties.
The NEC affiliated company on the 24th, bids successfully with general competitive bidding of shared personal computer system payment, approximately 1150 units become Mac, the server of the basic computer which controls the system large portion becomes the apple make.
As for the remaining approximately 200 units, it becomes the personal computer which can use also the high functional personal computer and Microsoft Windows data processing 3 dimensions and the like.
As for the students with the ID password, you can use the shared personal computer freely. At the Komaba 1st campus, using the shared personal computer, 1st grade everyone (approximately 3500 people) it does the class of the required course "information processing" which used the computer with the information education ridge. It is used in report creation and mail perusal other than teaching.
At Tokyo University "there is an advantage introduction of the various software of being easy to do in comparison with Microsoft Windows, trouble occurring, being easy to correct by your,", that it has explained concerning the reason which introduces Mac.
The Japanese corporate body of the apple computer advanced the market development for the education system which has the result in the United States, but "incoming order of the scale which exceeds personal computer 1000 has done for the first time".
(09/25 05:57)
I found this link (Japanese) with some details:
http://www.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/announce/2003/09/24_nextsystem.html
Quick summary:
1149 Standard Terminals:
o 15 Inch iMac (Diskless)
o PowerMac G4 1Ghz
o 512M memory
o Mac OS X (Likely to be 10.3)
o Netboot from Xserve (1 Xserver per 20+ terminals)
o DVD-ROM, CD-RW
o Happy Hacking Keyboard Lite 2 (JIS)
o 3 button optical mouse
http://www.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/announce/2003/09/24_nextsystem.html
Quick summary:
1149 Standard Terminals:
o 15 Inch iMac (Diskless)
o PowerMac G4 1Ghz
o 512M memory
o Mac OS X (Likely to be 10.3)
o Netboot from Xserve (1 Xserver per 20+ terminals)
o DVD-ROM, CD-RW
o Happy Hacking Keyboard Lite 2 (JIS)
o 3 button optical mouse
Originally posted by Rocketman
Yes but you need a Japanese keyboard to take advantage of all the features. I assume being Apple it is designed for a 1 button mouse.
Actually, you don't need a Japanese keyboard to type Japanese in Mac OX or even Windows 2000/XP. Most Mac/PC users in Japan now type in "Roma-ji" or in phonetics, so we simply use the English keys. The difference between the Japanese and US keyboards are changes in the placement of certain characters (such as @ " ') and the inclusion of conversion keys (on some PCs, but not on the new Macs) and keys to switch between Japanese photetics, direct Japanese input, and direct English input. Even without the switch keys, you can simply use the mouse and change from Japanese to English on the top of the screen on Macs.
In any case, it helps to know Japanese