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Same here. I wrote customer support here at the HQ in Amsterdam and they were clueless or good actors. No definite answers on any question.

At present it is not implemented though, that's for certain. The live services for the other devices work via bluetooth over another phone. Since navigation in the current app is interrupted when the phone function is used it is probable that using a 3G or whatever phone connection for the delivery of live services information would not work.

The only thing that is somewhat positive is that the app uses IQ routes which anticipate common traffic jams that occur in a predicted way, but accidents etc. of course will not be predicted.

While this might be true, it seems very odd if the case. Plenty of applications can access network data through EDGE, 3G and Wi-Fi, and I would expect that there is network capability there.

The biggest challenge with Traffic is that it typically involves a subscription of some kind as it is licensed data from XM, Clear Channel, etc.

I had been hopeful of something like DASH navigation on the iPhone. For those not familiar, all Dash units act as traffic probes so you get actual real time data about current traffic conditions, not just "alerts" from XM or Clear Channel (or whatever local traffic service you have access to). Unfortunately Dash has been bought up by RIM so there's precisely a 0% chance that we will see Dash for the iPhone anytime in the next few years.

Honestly though I would have been happy with even a $20 a year subscription to traffic alerts.

Anyone who navigates notoriously clogged motorways can appreciate the need for this.
 
Good lord!

What a bunch of crying babies. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. However, no doubt this is going to be a very popular app and make a ton of money. I'll probably buy it myself. The only question is whether or not to wait for the car kit. Face it: compared to the overall cost of owning an iPhone, in itself a very expensive luxury item, this is not a big deal.
 
Detailed comparison

UPDATED FOR NAVIGON 1.2

Just a quick FYI. I have a 3GS in a speck soft/hard case. I also have the kensington window mount which is how my phone was mounted for those curious. With either app, my GPS signal has been nothing short of excellent.

So i have G-Map, Navigon and TT. I have now compared all three.Never owned a GPS before so not partial to any one brand. G-Map, while significantly cheaper does not really compare to the other two. It works fine but the current version is just missing too many features and its clunky interface makes a distant third. Where i see a clear advantage i identify it below. I will also update this review as I use the apps and mark the changes in RED.

Load Time: Very similar. The new Navigon update has improved load times especially once in route and getting back in. I would now give edge to Navigon.
Initial GPS Acquisition: Both were pretty good, acquiring a signal very fast. Slight edge to TT here cause once it acquired it never lost the signal. Navigon did briefly once or twice but both are strong
Interface: Navigon has a simple interface. I found entering an address easy. I found adding favorites to be easier on the Navigon, less clicks. TT has a much more robust interface. Both let you plan future routes and add multiple route points but TT's implementation of this is better. TT also has more menu options from the home screen. Advantage TT.
Routing Interface: Navigon clearly had a nicer interface with Lane assist and reality view being very cool and helpful. The turn arrows on the Navigon are more helpful. The TT though is more compact having all data in the bottom bar. Its cleaner whereas Navigon's is nice but slightly more chaotic. TT also lets you change the colors for day and night but i do not find this very helpful. The street name displays for Navigon have been improved in 1.2 but they are still not as easy to read as TT, which is just better plain and simple.
Routing Accuracy (GPS LAG): Well, here is where i saw a difference that i didnt expect to see. Navigon was VERY accurate as far as identifying where I was on the map relative to where i actually was - when i was passing High street it was timed perfectly on the Navigon. When I made a turn, it had me doing so smoothly on the Navigon. However, with TT there is a clear lag. I tried a few different routes, reset the phone, but still same result. While the lag is not terrible its noticeable and really takes away from what otherwise is a great app. Its clear Navigon has adjusted for the crappy GPS in the iPhone and it shows. As an example, i had a wicked traffic circle i was maneuvering and they lag on the TT caused me to miss the proper turn. Even thought the voice prompts were delivered early, it required looking at that map and this is where the TT fell short. This is not an insignificant shortfall in my opinion and may bother a few people. Both apps got me where i needed to go using the same routes. I have now tested IQ routes a bunch and i would say it works better than the "Optimum" feature on Navigon. Most of the time i got similar routes but its a nice differentiator that seems to work well.
Routing Options: Here TT is the clear winner. TT has a VERY useful feature that allows you to identify a destination or starting point by clicking on it on the map (a magnifying glass pops up so you can get it exact) [UPDATE: I just found Navigon has this too by clicking on the Show Map you can pinpoint a location]. I am in up-State PA and alot of the areas we are visiting do not have addresses. This makes finding them and routing to and form the very easy. Entering addresses is very easy and I liked it better than the Navigon. Both use the apple keyboard so it is well integrated. Both allow you to avoid highways, ferrys, toll roads, HOV lanes, etc. Navigon does have a speed limit feature which can warn you with audible and visual cues. I think TT may have this as well but it works better on Navigon. But TT also has extensive other options like Find Alternative (if your not happy with your route, you can choose Avoid Roadblocks (and then choose which you want to avoid), Avoid Part of Route (very very cool. If you know part of your route before you start or while you've started is problematic, you can choose this option and then pick which part of the directions you want to avoid - it will reroute you from there), Route Demo (both have this but TT's is better), Instructions (This is a detailed list of the route which I am not sure why Navigon does not have but its very useful to see the overview). Hands down the TT routing options are superior.
POI databases: On Navigon, it is extensive but the search is finicky. Sometimes you have to really narrow down the location for the POI to show. I found TT's more extensive and less finicky but still not great. I really like the icon view for POI's on Navigon. Overall a tie.
Recalculation: Both do a good job of quickly recalculating you. Navigon's seemed slightly faster.
TTS: Navigon now has this and it is a WELCOMED addition. The voice is clear and the pronunciations are excellent (although sometimes robotic). This is a must for all devices and until TT updates their app, this is the killer feature that makes Navigon my choice over TT, for now. Note, one side affect of the TTS is that because Navigon alerts you often of an upcoming turn, the length of the alert by adding the street names means sometimes the alerts follow very quickly after each other which some may find annoying. Certainly it could be improved but you would be crazy to turn this off and better to deal with the annoyance.
Voice: TT gives you many options for the GPS voice. While its cool, they are not that different and Navigons is very pleasant. Both are loud although TT's is easier to adjust - simply by click on the left bottom of the screen while driving. Navigons you have to go into the menu and the adjustment is small. The Navigon voice has been improved an no longer sounds like "kathleen turner on cigarettes". It is clearer and more pleasant although TT still has the edge here.
Phone integration: Work exactly the same way. Phone call comes in, you can answer and talk. You can then, while still on the call, go back into the app and it picks up from where it left off. Navigon does so more quickly. Both also work while on the ipod. TT's cuts out completely whereas Navigon is more like a fade out so you can hear the directions, which is preferable in my opinion. Also in Navigon 1.2, iPod integration has been added directly into the app so you no longer have to close out when wanting to play or change songs. This is also an absolute must and again Navigon has distanced itself, for now. iPod integration is almost perfect. You cant browse your artists, playlists, etc in landscape mode which makes it a hassle if its mounted in portrait mode on your dash/windshield. However, once its playing you have access to all the ipod functions in landscape mode. One annoyance is that Apples implementation means you have to "Add" songs like a playlist when using this feature. So for example if you want to play a playlist you have to go through the added step of selecting a "Add all songs" button as opposed to just choosing your playlist and then hitting play. May actually be useful in some other circumstances so dont really see it as a problem. Also, one positive side affect of the iPOD integration is that if you are using this feature than than the volume buttons obviously work to control the volume. But by increasing and decreasing the volume of the music you are also able to do so for the navigation volume. I prefer this and its much easier than having to go into the options to change the volume (which you can still do).
Contact Integration: Both have this feature however TT is sorely lacking. I tried 10 different address types (with apts, normal, 2 street addresses, etc) and TT had issues with 8 of them and would not find them. Navigon found 8 of the 10. Navigon found both the ones TT found. Some more work needs to be done on TT's part. I would say it works well on Navigon, even finding an address without a ZIP (TT had trouble with this).
Battery: Too hard to tell which was better. But both eat battery.
Reality View/Lane Assist: As mentioned, Navigon has this and its a real nice feature. TT does not have this.

Overall, i liked the Navigon interface better but the TT route option planning better. TT has many more useful routing options and features that Navigon just does not have. While the Navigon interface is "prettier" i found the TT interface less chaotic and more of the screen is used for the maps (albeit a small amount). But the lane assist/reality view makes the Navigon overall superior. However, as I said the TTS and iPod integration are killer features that pull the Navigon clearly ahead in my opinion of the TT. But I will note that if TT adds these features, then the GPS lag it has will be offset by the TTS and I would probably find myself using the TT over the Navigon. It will be interesting to see who adds more features more quickly and if there is a cost to either to update the maps. Right now Navigon has already had 2 major updates although it came out a few months before so we will see. Also note that the expected new release of G-Maps (any day now), if it looks anything like the youtube video, may re-enter this race. Once its released I will test and if worthy, I will add it into this comparison.
 
Has anyone with the UK version actually seen the speed warnings. Despite safety camera switch being on I can see no evidence of a database despite driving past speed cameras that I know my Tomtom Go warns me off.
Thanks.

Can you tell me where you found this "safety switch"

I own the Canadian/USA version and can't find that anywhere.

someone please explain
 
So i have G-Map, Navigon and TT. I have now compared all three.Never owned a GPS before so not partial to any one brand. G-Map, while significantly cheaper does not really compare to the other two. It works fine but the current version is just missing too many features and its clunky interface makes a distant third. Where i see a clear advantage i identify it below.

Load Time: Very similar. TT may be slightly faster but negligible.
Initial GPS Acquisition: Both were pretty good, acquiring a signal very fast. Slight edge to TT here cause once it acquired it never lost the signal. Navigon did briefly once or twice but both are strong
Interface: Navigon has a simple interface. I found entering an address easy. I found adding favorites to be easier on the Navigon, less clicks. TT has a much more robust interface. Both let you plan future routes and add multiple route points but TT's implementation of this is better. TT also has more menu options from the home screen. Advantage TT.
Routing Interface: Navigon clearly had a nicer interface with Lane assist and reality view being very cool and helpful. The turn arrows on the Navigon are more helpful. The TT though is more compact having all data in the bottom bar. Its cleaner whereas Navigon's is nice but slightly more chaotic. TT also lets you change the colors for day and night but i do not find this very helpful. HOWEVER, the street name displays for Navigon are not great. Not nearly as bad as everyone says but TT's are easier to read.
Routing Accuracy: Well, here is where i saw a difference that i didnt expect to see. Navigon was VERY accurate as far as identifying where I was on the map relative to where i actually was - when i was passing High street it was timed perfectly on the Navigon. When I made a turn, it had me doing so smoothly on the Navigon. However, with TT there is a clear lag. I tried a few different routes, reset the phone, but still same result. While the lag is not terrible its noticeable and really takes away from what otherwise is a great app. I will keep testing but this is major shortfall in my opinion. Both apps got me where i needed to go using the same routes. I have not been able to test TT's IQ routes yet but this also seems like a nice differentiator if it works well.
Routing Options: Here TT is the clear winner. TT has a VERY useful feature that allows you to identify a destination or starting point by clicking on it on the map (a magnifying glass pops up so you can get it exact) [UPDATE: I just found Navigon has this too by clicking on the Show Map you can pinpoint a location]. I am in up-State PA and alot of the areas we are visiting do not have addresses. This makes finding them and routing to and form the very easy. Entering addresses is very easy and I liked it better than the Navigon. Both use the apple keyboard so it is well integrated. Both allow you to avoid highways, ferrys, toll roads, HOV lanes, etc. Navigon does have a speed limit feature which can warn you with audible and visual cues. I think TT may have this as well but it works better on Navigon. But TT also has extensive other options like Find Alternative (if your not happy with your route, you can choose Avoid Roadblocks (and then choose which you want to avoid), Avoid Part of Route (very very cool. If you know part of your route before you start or while you've started is problematic, you can choose this option and then pick which part of the directions you want to avoid - it will reroute you from there), Route Demo (both have this but TT's is better), Instructions (This is a detailed list of the route which I am not sure why Navigon does not have but its very useful to see the overview). Hands down the TT routing options are superior.
POI databases: On Navigon, it is extensive but the search is finicky. Sometimes you have to really narrow down the location for the POI to show. I found TT's more extensive and less finicky but still not great. I really like the icon view for POI's on Navigon. Overall a tie.
Recalculation: Both do a good job of quickly recalculating you. Navigon's seemed slightly faster.
TTS: Both do not have.
Voice: TT gives you many options for the GPS voice. While its cool, they are not that different and Navigons is very pleasant. Both are loud although TT's is easier to adjust - simply by click on the left bottom of the screen while driving. Navigons you have to go into the menu and the adjustment is small.
Phone integration: Work exactly the same way. Phone call comes in, you can answer and talk. You can then, while still on the call, go back into the app and it picks up from where it left off. Navigon does so more quickly. Both also work while on the ipod. TT's cuts out completely whereas Navigon is more like a fade out so you can hear the directions.
Battery: Too hard to tell which was better. But both eat battery.
Reality View/Lane Assist: As mentioned, Navigon has this and its a real nice feature. TT does not have this.

Overall, i liked the Navigon interface better but the TT route option planning better. TT has many more useful routing options and features that Navigon just does not have. While the Navigon interface is "prettier" i found the TT interface less chaotic and more of the screen is used for the maps (albeit a small amount). But the lane assist/reality view makes the Navigon overall superior. Frankly, had the TT GPS actually worked as good as the Navigon, i think it would be a superior app. But it is not and therefore I would probably find myself using the Navigon more unless i need to do some more complex routing. There is no clear winner and it will depend on what you value more. It will be interesting to see who adds more features more quickly and if there is a cost to either to update the maps.

thanks, finally...
 
What a bunch of crying babies. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. However, no doubt this is going to be a very popular app and make a ton of money. I'll probably buy it myself. The only question is whether or not to wait for the car kit. Face it: compared to the overall cost of owning an iPhone, in itself a very expensive luxury item, this is not a big deal.

This is exactly the type of feedback that companies like Tom Tom need to see to understand how their application is being received by potential customers.

I wouldn't be surprised if they actually lower their price in a few months after the initial wave of purchases come in and sales start to stagnate.

Currently I'm not seeing much with TT that is compelling compared to other budget GPS options like Navigon.

Both are severely limited right now with no TTS, no Traffic, etc.

About the only compelling feature for me that makes me consider TT over Navigon is that the TT has a better routing system with alternate routes, avoidance, etc, apparently being better. It also has route IQ which has historical date on which sections of routes are typically backed up at certain times of day.

Both are really limited though, especially when you can get a full blown standalone GPS unit with traffic, etc, for under $99.
 
@dhy8386

Thanks for the detailed comparison. I've been waiting for that. Very helpful indeed - though I'm still not sure which app I want.

One important question: somewhere along the line, I read a comment that you can alter the planned route in the TT app via touch. Meaning that you can move a route like you can with the desktop Google Maps. So, you would see a route plan on the iPhone and you could drag part of the route to a different road.

Hope that makes sense, but can you verify whether that functionality exists in TT (or Navigon)?

Thanks!

--DotComCTO
 
TBT for pedestrians

I already have a TomTom LIVE 740 in my car. I'm not interested in an in-car solution.

What I am interested in, is which iPhone turn-by-turn app offers the best functionality for pedestrian use. I often use GPS + Maps when trying to find my way round a strange city, but it can be an expensive business when roaming abroad. All the TomTom peripheral kit is of no concern to me; I'll never use it in-car. But I would be attracted to a TomTom to use on foot, familiar as I am with the TomTom UI.

Anyone else thinking the same way? Which app do people recommend for pedestrians?

Yes, absolutely! I use Google Maps when I have cellular service, and GMap when I don't. I use them both for navigating unfamiliar cities, very often on foot and in foreign countries where I couldn't possibly afford data roaming.

I am particularly on the lookout for an offline map program for Japan and other east Asian countries, one that does NOT use Open Street Map (which is simply not that complete in Asia). Zenrin has a nav app for Japan but it is in Japanese and doesn't have offline maps, so it's no better than Google (which uses Zenrin date in Japan).

GMap will eventually have Asia, but not before I'm going there :-( How about TomTom or Navigon?
 
i am sure this has been mentioned as i did read some of this thread but not all 22 pages or whatever.

without flaming me if that is possible but i dont see the need for this myself?

my built in google map and mapquest work great and they are free. if i cant find a local business with either of them then i use around me or yellow pages apps which again are free and they open up google map app and show me where i am and how to get where i am going with real time tracking. i usually dont look at list view but simply follow my little blue dot that shows me where to go and moves as i move.

if im in the US traveling for work as i often am i have never been lost or not found what i am looking for.

besides a cool GUI why would i pay for something like this when that stuff navigates me for free?

thanks
 
I just don't like that Tom Tom released the app before the cradle, or even any information about it. The site still says TT for iphone is coming soon to the App Store. I know you can use the software by itself, but we have no definitive price for the entire kit (US). I am interested in both. It's like they are rushing out the software a little early for some reason. Maybe because of the competition.
 
Ah, an app that allows me to cheer on the exhaustion of oil, the death of car culture and the decline of corporate America all at once.

Enjoy your right turns while you can, dinosaurs.
 
My quickie experience

I bought it because my old Garmin is old and I'm tired of buying map updates.

First impressions - lots to like. But there are a few frustrations - as others have mentioned maps need updating. I've lived on the same street for 17 years but according to it's maps my address doesn't exist. There is some lag. Specifically the map lags, but the voice gives you plenty of warning for upcoming turns. I used it for a couple quick runs but then it suddenly said I had poor reception though I was under a clear blue SoCal sky. I restarted my phone and that solved it but I'll be keeping an eye on that.

On the bright side - pretty intuitive. Love the call POI option. Love the integration with contacts - none of the problems others have experienced.

Read somewhere among these posts about speed warnings showing up - not on my unit. Anybody?

Will report back as I test it further.
 
Ah, an app that allows me to cheer on the exhaustion of oil, the death of car culture and the decline of corporate America all at once.

Enjoy your right turns while you can, dinosaurs.

Wow, it does all that...sweet! I'm sold.
 
free map updates?

does anyone know if it will have free map updates or will you be charged? i was looking but could not find info on that.
 
@dhy8386

Thanks for the detailed comparison. I've been waiting for that. Very helpful indeed - though I'm still not sure which app I want.

One important question: somewhere along the line, I read a comment that you can alter the planned route in the TT app via touch. Meaning that you can move a route like you can with the desktop Google Maps. So, you would see a route plan on the iPhone and you could drag part of the route to a different road.

Hope that makes sense, but can you verify whether that functionality exists in TT (or Navigon)?

Thanks!

--DotComCTO

So it looks like you can but i can not get it to accept my change when i physically move the route. But seems like the functionality is there.
 
So it looks like you can but i can not get it to accept my change when i physically move the route. But seems like the functionality is there.

OK. See now that would be a cool feature to have working, and would move me toward the TT instead of the Navigon.

To me - just based on videos, screen grabs, comments, etc - it seems that the Navigon is pretty nicely done; however, as you point out, Navigon lacks some of the sophistication that the TT has. In particular, the variety of routing options and things like finding POIs along the route are richer on the TT when compared to Navigon. Frankly, when I'm stuck in traffic, I want to be able to quickly ask my GPS to find another route. The GPS in my '04 SUV has that simple option - find new route for N number of miles. I am unclear on how Navigon handles this (though it seems clear enough to me in the TT app just from the screen shots).

Any thoughts on the options that Navigon provides for route switching?

Thanks again!

--DotComCTO
 
Routing Accuracy: Well, here is where i saw a difference that i didnt expect to see. Navigon was VERY accurate as far as identifying where I was on the map relative to where i actually was - when i was passing High street it was timed perfectly on the Navigon. When I made a turn, it had me doing so smoothly on the Navigon. However, with TT there is a clear lag. I tried a few different routes, reset the phone, but still same result. While the lag is not terrible its noticeable and really takes away from what otherwise is a great app. I will keep testing but this is major shortfall in my opinion. Both apps got me where i needed to go using the same routes. I have not been able to test TT's IQ routes yet but this also seems like a nice differentiator if it works well.

Has anyone else noticed this Lag?
I was more than set on the TT until I read this. Seems a bit pointless.
Anyone in Australia has this issue?
 
I agree with the above review but I didn't experience the route lag. I was using a Incase Slider Case, Kensington Dash Mount, and it was cloudy out. It might have happened though and I didn't see it. I drove to a destination 30 minutes away and just listened to the voice instructions mainly and TomTom took me right to the doorstep. I think Navigon has route lag too probably but they fudge the cursor a bit so you don't notice it?

My friend has Navigon and I compared it and everything in the review above is true. Navigon has slicker maps with lane assist, reality view etc. but their maps aren't as legible and clean as the TomTom maps.

I tried out the IQRoutes and it took me a way that I had never gone, but I'm not sure how much faster it was since I was driving in a semi-rural suburbs area...

Anyway, with the extra routing features, voices, map colors, and more legible maps, I think that TomTom would be the winner if cost were no issue, but I'm not sure if it is worth the $30 extra at this point. Now if they make the dock $50 or less, I can use my Incase Slider case with it, and they add TTS, TomTom will easily be the one to get.
 
I had a chance to try out TT on a friend's phone today. One thing I noticed is the broken integration with contacts. Trying to see groups plain doesn't work (empty screen). TT also complains that it can't recognize most of the contact addresses I tried. That's just pathetic. It seems like it doesn't like when there is a second address line, like "Suite 123." Ugly and functional may be ok, but it seems they still have some work to do on the functional part.
 
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